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Old 11-30-2007, 03:09 PM   #41
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Actually, from what he said it was very easy to confuse what he was saying. "Amazing. HBK dvd and most of the chat is centered once again around Bret. Bigger name value." I simply thought that he meant that the HBK dvd and most of the chat is centered around Bret. Easy mistake.

Listen KK, I know you're really bitter that you aren't very smart. To compensate, you try to label others as not being very smart. I understand all of the self-esteem issues that probably go along with it all too. I just wish you weren't so obvious about it.
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Old 11-30-2007, 05:01 PM   #42
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Well that isnt what I meant. I meant this is the about HBK dvd, and yet we here on tpww are going on and on about Bret, "shockingly".

Dudes, get OVER it, if you claim you are. I make no denials..I'll harp about it whenever it's brought up.


In all honesty Zen I have a lot of respect for you. I for one have not seen the DVD yet, but I can say anytime Bret Hart and HBK are brought up in the same sentence, you blow it way out of proportion.
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Old 11-30-2007, 05:22 PM   #43
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Old 11-30-2007, 05:53 PM   #44
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Is that the only time you post Zen?

Zen you're pretty well spoken, seems like the same type of fan I am. I know you're not an idiot, which makes it so much more mindblowing that you obsess over Bret so much.

Even if Bret was right and they were wrong, which I"m not gonna get into, he's an asshole for being so bitter. There's no way you can say he's not bitter. Ignoring Shawns attempts to bury the hatchet, flip flopping on whether or not he's "okay" with Vince, and making people leave the room while he gets an honor are all laughable.
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:47 PM   #45
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They try hard but they can't hide the fact that shawn michaels ,though a god in the ring, is a fucked up little bastard who deserved the legit beating bret gave him. Even with HHH by his side shawn fears Bret.
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Old 11-30-2007, 08:28 PM   #46
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Is that the only time you post Zen?

Zen you're pretty well spoken, seems like the same type of fan I am. I know you're not an idiot, which makes it so much more mindblowing that you obsess over Bret so much.

Even if Bret was right and they were wrong, which I"m not gonna get into, he's an asshole for being so bitter. There's no way you can say he's not bitter. Ignoring Shawns attempts to bury the hatchet, flip flopping on whether or not he's "okay" with Vince, and making people leave the room while he gets an honor are all laughable.
Yeah, Bret isnt exactly open to making amends with Shawn. I'll admit to that.

I guess I talk about this often simply because right now I dont find much worth talking about when it comes to the current state of affairs going on within the wwe.

I hope it changes.
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Yeah, Bret isnt exactly open to making amends with Shawn. I'll admit to that.

I guess I talk about this often simply because right now I dont find much worth talking about when it comes to the current state of affairs going on within the wwe.

I hope it changes.
Gotta admit, the Screwjob may be overdone at this point, it may be cliché, passé, and trés ghey, but it is more interesting than anything in the current wrestling scene.

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The new controversy is "Y2J: Why he not awesome?"
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Listen KK, I know you're really bitter that you aren't very smart. To compensate, you try to label others as not being very smart. I understand all of the self-esteem issues that probably go along with it all too. I just wish you weren't so obvious about it.
Narc just pulled another one of the famous "Stupid people tricks."
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The new controversy is "Y2J: Why he not awesome?"
Pretty sure that one's been answered:

He looks like a Melissa Etheridge fan, and everybody knows lesbians can't wrestle.
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Pretty sure that one's been answered:

He looks like a Melissa Etheridge fan, and everybody knows lesbians can't wrestle.
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So for those who have the DVD - what's the deal with the brown tights?
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I was playing with a vibrating stretch armstrong, and when I was done with the old battery I just haphhazardly swung the other one into the ring with glee. I was only 11 and much more interested in my stretch armstrong, than in any so called dxers crisis.
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shawn michaels and hhh talk a lot about bret not wanting to do business..but shawn hold the record for forfeiting titles and not wanting to job..
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So for those who have the DVD - what's the deal with the brown tights?

They were just really ugly and not even finished, it was supose to be a new logo for HBK.
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shawn michaels and hhh talk a lot about bret not wanting to do business..but shawn hold the record for forfeiting titles and not wanting to job..
My thoughts exactly. Also, wrestling is the way it is now because of the way HHH does business.
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HHH hasnt been good since '01. And even then, he was only over becuase of who he got to work with.
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Bret is a better wrestler now than he ever was.

His drool bomb is probably the best move ever.
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As opposed to HHH promo's of doom, which puts not only the fans to sleep, but his oppenants as well?
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At least Triple H CAN promo.

Good or not, it's not Bret's babble.

And no, I'm not referring to him post-stroke.
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I'd rather listen to Bret babble for 2 minutes, then to listen to HHH go on, and on, and on for 20 minutes at a time about the same thing we heard him rant about for 20 minutes the week prior. HHH has his promo's written for him more than likley, and they still suck. Not to mention his weak attempts to be funny on a regular basis.
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AMERICA SUCKS!

*Next week*

SHAWN, YOU SUCK! Oh, and America does too!

*Next week*

CANADA RULZ!!1111!

(Flash back to the Hart Foundation days)

Bret: We're gonna beat you!

*next week*

Bret: We're gonna beat you!

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Bret: You gonna beat us? HAH!
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I'd attmept a HHH promo, but I don't know if I could fit that many characters in one post.
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Triple H can carry a promo, which is IMPERATIVE in professional wrestling. So it can get a bit boring, I won't deny that, but he has charisma on the mic. He can convey what he wants to say. Bret never could without looking like a douche.
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Bret's promos are god awful
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Old 12-01-2007, 05:46 PM   #72
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Bret made two or three promos in 97 alone which were better than anything Trips has managed to come up with.

But then again, promos back in the day were generally superior because they weren't scripted letter for letter like they have been for the longest time.

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I'm gonna take you out tonight, nose to nose, face to face..I'm going to humiliate you..pummel you, I'm going to destroy you, and make you realize you cannot stand with me...make you realize you cannot go toe to toe with me..make you realize you cannot lace my boots...make you realize you cannot tie my shoes...I will take your title..I will strip you of your belt...I will once again hold the championship up high...hold it around my waist...


etc etc etc...that is pretty much EXACTLY how repetitive he gets, and how he manages to make his promos last so long, all the while basically never progressing..what he says in 20 minutes any good guy on the stick blurts out in one.

The guy is a loser. He'll always be looked at as somebody that didnt get to where he did get to all on his own merits. His own merits only qualify him as an upper midcarder at the MOST.
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Triple H can carry a promo, which is IMPERATIVE in professional wrestling. So it can get a bit boring, I won't deny that, but he has charisma on the mic. He can convey what he wants to say. Bret never could without looking like a douche.
If you can't convey what you want to say after a half hour, you should give up.
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They try hard but they can't hide the fact that shawn michaels ,though a god in the ring, is a fucked up little bastard who deserved the legit beating bret gave him. Even with HHH by his side shawn fears Bret.
Ummm...I don't think that Bret ever gave Shawn a legit beating. Where was this if I may ask?
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Meh...Bret vs. Shawn is to wrestling fans as Star Wars vs. Star Trek is to sci-fi nerds, and pro-choice vs. pro-life is to assholes. It's an un-win-able war that just leaves for an annoying read.

During there period of time, both Shawn and Bret were the best for different reasons. Bret had the pure wrestling skill and Shawn had the pure charisma. Each side has it's fans, and like someone else said about a different topic awhile back, people choose the side of the person they like better.

My opinion...Shawns an asshole and egging Bret on with the "I'd never job to you" thing is asking for trouble. At the same time, it's hard to feel bad for a guy when he can't move on from an even in 97'. It was when Bret was playing the Commish of WWA 4 years later and cut a promo about the evil WWF and getting screwed that I offically stopped feeling sorry for Bret.
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I agree that it's an unwinable debate and gets very annoying.

But, I have problems with that because you talk about Bret being pure wrestling skill, which he was, but Shawn was and is better in the ring. And since he's also incredibly charismatic he wins in a landslide.

It's really no offense to Bret or his marks. Bret's a legend and a great wrestler, and has a legacy of his own. But there can only be one best of all time and that spot belongs to HBK
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extremely disagree about Bret's promos being "god awful" and what not. not going to go into a big speal on this because by this point people have thier minds made up about Bret Hart on here.

but, Bret's character in the early-mid 90's wasn't a charisma filled character. It was a hard worker character and that's it and people got behind him. He didn't need to fill up 7-12 minutes with flashy catch phrases or anything like that. He was very direct, very confident and really just said he was going to beat you. Nothing off the wall special, but I guarantee you the crowd back in 91-96 didn't just get behind Bret because he was a great wrestler. And you want to talk about a guy being fucking over, pick up Royal Rumble 94 and tell me Bret wasn't "the man" at that point.
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also, if you take Bret out of WWF 1997, the Canada/USA angle doesn't succeed at all. He carried that whole thing along with Austin. and HBK did a great job to expand it when he came in around the Fall. Argulably the best year the WWF ever had
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I myself have been extremely critical of Brett, but I agree with Loose Cannon.

Bret had very good charisma when he spoke, and he did a masterful job of coming across as REAL in his promos.

I actually thought Bret was excellent in the Summer of 97'....around the time when I started getting interested in the WWF(E).
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Ummm...I don't think that Bret ever gave Shawn a legit beating. Where was this if I may ask?
This created even more heat between Bret and Shawn. Later that summer, Bret and Shawn got into a real fight backstage, where Bret confronted Shawn about comments Shawn made about Bret Hart and Sunny. From what's being said, Bret took down Michaels and there was some hair pulling and then WWF officials had to break it up. Right after Shawn got his ass kicked

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