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Old 12-16-2007, 02:47 PM   #41
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Fox, you're going a little overboard. Cena has had plenty of good matches. All of his Wrestlemania main events have been classic, his fued with Edge had some golden moments, and his fued with JBL is one of my favorite Smackdown fueds ever. He isn't a bad wrestler by any means. Comparing him to Dwayne Johnson is just a bit silly though.
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Old 12-16-2007, 02:54 PM   #42
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The Rock is about a billion times better than John Cena.

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Old 12-16-2007, 03:03 PM   #43
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Fox, you're going a little overboard. Cena has had plenty of good matches. All of his Wrestlemania main events have been classic, his fued with Edge had some golden moments, and his fued with JBL is one of my favorite Smackdown fueds ever. He isn't a bad wrestler by any means. Comparing him to Dwayne Johnson is just a bit silly though.
Tell me, what is John Cena's best match to date? In fact, name me four John Cena matches that were even good.

Cena vs. JBL was NOT a classic. It was like 6-7 minutes long and it was a slow, drawn out brawl that ended anticlimactically. His matches against Triple H and Shawn Michaels were good, but not great. Like I said, they'll go down in history the same way that Hogan vs. Sid Justice and Macho vs. DiBiase will go down in history; as good matches that just happened to take place on the grandest stage of the year, but nothing special.

I'm not saying that Cena isn't a good wrestler, I'm saying that he hasn't had anywhere close to the feuds, moments, matches, or promos that The Rock had during his time on top, and honestly, I don't think that John Cena ever will.
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I dunno, the last two Wrestlemanias with Cena in the main event have been fairly epic. You ride them off so easily like they weren't anything special. I don't remember the last time I got that worked up over a main event like that. Me and all of my friends were GLUED to the screen, awaiting the downfall of Cena. WWE really painted a picture going in to those matches. Both of them kinda had a 'Superman vs Godzilla' feel to them. You knew either guy could win at any second. Every time Cena locked in the STFU, we absolutely flipped the fuck out, literally screaming at the TV for either Trips or Michaels to get out. Both of them were very good matches.

Also, Edge vs Cena in TLC was brilliant.
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Old 12-16-2007, 07:08 PM   #45
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I dunno, the last two Wrestlemanias with Cena in the main event have been fairly epic. You ride them off so easily like they weren't anything special. I don't remember the last time I got that worked up over a main event like that. Me and all of my friends were GLUED to the screen, awaiting the downfall of Cena. WWE really painted a picture going in to those matches. Both of them kinda had a 'Superman vs Godzilla' feel to them. You knew either guy could win at any second. Every time Cena locked in the STFU, we absolutely flipped the fuck out, literally screaming at the TV for either Trips or Michaels to get out. Both of them were very good matches.

Also, Edge vs Cena in TLC was brilliant.
You know, you're right about all 3 of those matches. The only problem is, he wins them all. And all of the other ones.
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From what I hear he won over 100 matches in 2007 alone or something. Chances are if I name one of his matches, he won it.
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If HHH didn't tear his quad it would have been a rematch with HHH winning at WM23.
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did the rock ever hav a belt that spins? I dont think so!

(P.S Cena is not fit to even smell the rocks shit let alone be compared to him)
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Old 12-16-2007, 11:45 PM   #49
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I'll admit to playing devil's advocate here - come on, you know my dickish gimmick.

However, I honestly do feel that Cena is better in the ring. Sure, Rock played to the crowd more when in the ring, but Cena has a better ratio of playing to the crowd to good wrestling, thus having a more balanced Psychology style. Rock rarely had what I would call "good" matches. Cena, while it's true he's in the ring with people who can carry him, has more good matches on a monthly basis than Rock had on a yearly basis.

Rock was all show. Cena is more balanced and rounded, even in his current gimmick.
I agree that John Cena is actually more capable in the ring. Cena can do the whole technical thing, as his early stint on SmackDown! proved. The Rock was never an amazing wrestler. Under his current gimmick? John Cena's current matches are boring. Even the ones people call "good" fail to get me involved, because his style is just so artificial. He's wrestling a style that is not him, and as any performer will tell you, there needs to be at least some kind of honesty in art for it to connect with people. The Rock was a much more organic performer. He also has a lot more great matches to his name.

Another thing which RVDmark brought to my intention, was how The Rock involved the crowd. It's a point that seems pretty fucking obvious, because The Rock was over, worked the mic a lot, and all that, but when I really think about it, that's something The Rock holds over Cena. What Cena should be doing is playing off the crowds, but he can't do that, because his character is so disliked that it's impossible for him to play off the crowds effectively without being a heel. Sure, he would occasionally semi-address his boos, but he never really did it flat-out. It always felt like there were strings above him, and that he was not allowed to really approach confronting the fans about it.
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Old 12-16-2007, 11:53 PM   #50
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I dunno, the last two Wrestlemanias with Cena in the main event have been fairly epic. You ride them off so easily like they weren't anything special. I don't remember the last time I got that worked up over a main event like that. Me and all of my friends were GLUED to the screen, awaiting the downfall of Cena. WWE really painted a picture going in to those matches. Both of them kinda had a 'Superman vs Godzilla' feel to them. You knew either guy could win at any second. Every time Cena locked in the STFU, we absolutely flipped the fuck out, literally screaming at the TV for either Trips or Michaels to get out. Both of them were very good matches.

Also, Edge vs Cena in TLC was brilliant.
You see, I really disagree with this. No offence, but Cena was obviously going to win all his WrestleMania matches. I would have honestly bet my house on it.

The matches themselves were not that great, either. I can't remember anything that happened from them. I know John Cena no-sold HBK's leg work at the end of their bout, or something of the like, though. I also know that the fans wanted to see Cena's blood, which is a reaction I am getting sick of. Any reaction is a good reaction? Bullshit. John Cena matches are becoming all about how he's meant to be getting cheered, but instead people hate him.

I enjoyed the TLC Match, but that was because of Edge. It was a fucking stupid move to not have Edge win that match. I will admit that Cena kind of looked cool for a second, when he FU'd Edge off the ladder and through the tables, and then shook his head, regretting that it had to come to that, and realising that he had definitely won the match. Apart from that, the match was once again about the "bad guy" getting cheered over Cena. Edge also made that match. Cena took one cool bump, and that's about it.
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If HHH didn't tear his quad it would have been a rematch with HHH winning at WM23.
I disagree. In fact, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if the WWE put John Cena in a match against The Undertaker at WrestleMania, Cena would win. In fact, I'm half-expecting Cena to end Taker's streak at WrestleMania XXV.

Cena is probably going to get a streak up and going. I mean, the guy is currently 4-0, and I can't see anyone on the WWE roster who is in their prime enough, and seen as important enough to the WWE to interrupt that.
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I disagree. In fact, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if the WWE put John Cena in a match against The Undertaker at WrestleMania, Cena would win. In fact, I'm half-expecting Cena to end Taker's streak at WrestleMania XXV.
Sadly, he's probably right.

I may be thinking it for different reasons, but it seems like a logical progression since they're trying to put him over big.

Of course, ending Taker's streak seems like a WWE booking "logical" choice for helping him win back the fans.
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Sadly, he's probably right.

I may be thinking it for different reasons, but it seems like a logical progression since they're trying to put him over big.

Of course, ending Taker's streak seems like a WWE booking "logical" choice for helping him win back the fans.
That's exactly it. They'll think that putting him over The Undertaker at WrestleMania will put him on that Hall of Fame level, as if holding the WWE Championship longer than any modern wrestler does not accomplish that.

To be fair, though, I would be pulling for John Cena in that match. Fuck, I hate The Undertaker. Half his WrestleMania wins are against people who didn't stand a chance against him, anyway.
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Cena's matches against The Undertake black when he was a heel were pretty good, tbh.
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Cena's matches against The Undertake black when he was a heel were pretty good, tbh.
Both are different characters now, though. Cena would try and "brawl" with The Undertaker, and Taker would pretend he is scary in a leotard.
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The other thing I just realised is that back in the attitude era the performers looked like they were having a good time. Think back to the funny moments such as Foley / Rock "This is your life", the time when rock dropped his glasses, the performers had to stop themselves laughing, even the heels.
These days most performers just go through the motions and walk back through the curtain.
The closest I have seen to that recently was during the Trips / Steph segment last week on Raw, and Jericho's smile when he returned, which showed he really was getting a bit of a buzz to be back. The same could be said of RVD last week, also Trish and Lita. Again guys (and girls) from the attitude era.

The other thing is that most segments never advance the storyline or get anything done anymore. Someone coming out at the beginning of raw simply means that the segment will set up the main event for that night, which is usually some tag match I have no care for seeing. It doesn't further the storyline. I know WWE isn't meant to be highbrow drama or anythingt, but I'm sure even children could handle a more entwined storyline. And god forbid two fueds or storylines should ever interact.
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