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Old 12-16-2007, 02:35 PM   #1
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The Rock built a legacy over a very short period of time.

He was the youngest man to ever win the WWF Championship when he won it.

He was part of the Corporation's plan to keep Stone Cold away from the belt throughout the attitude era.

He had several classic matches with Mankind/Mick Foley that will go down in history.

He had some of the greatest matches in Mania history with Steve Austin and Hulk Hogan.

His promos brought people to their feet every single night, in and out, whether he was a face or a heel. The people sang along with him every night.

He holds the co-record with Foley for the highest rated segment in RAW history.

He helped mold the careers of Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, and Brock Lesnar.

He's the first guy to leave wrestling for Hollywood, become successful, and he might be the first guy to be able to retire from pro wrestling, and actually, truly mean it.


John Cena can't hold a fucking candle to those accolades. Everything he's earned since WrestleMania 21 going forward has had a force-fed feel to it. He hasn't had a SINGLE classic match in his career. His match with HBK on RAW was good, but nowhere near the level of something like Rock vs. Jericho at No Mercy 2001 (and that's one of Rock's least important matches).

His Mania encounters with Big Show, JBL, Triple H and HBK will go down in history the same way that Macho Man vs. DiBiase or Sid Justice vs. Hogan will go down in history; as information, but not as emotion. Not the way that Rock/Austin at Manias 15 and 17 will go down as emotional, pivotal matches in their careers and in the history of the WWE as a whole. Cena hasn't created that kind of emotion.

The fans don't sing along with John Cena. They mock his "chain gang" mentality bullshit. They boo his Marine-style antics. The only people who yell "COME GET SOME" and "THE CHAMP IS HERRRE" with him are little boys who don't know any better.

John Cena does not equal The Rock. Not even close. Not ever.
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Old 12-16-2007, 02:47 PM   #2
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Fox, you're going a little overboard. Cena has had plenty of good matches. All of his Wrestlemania main events have been classic, his fued with Edge had some golden moments, and his fued with JBL is one of my favorite Smackdown fueds ever. He isn't a bad wrestler by any means. Comparing him to Dwayne Johnson is just a bit silly though.
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Old 12-16-2007, 03:03 PM   #3
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Fox, you're going a little overboard. Cena has had plenty of good matches. All of his Wrestlemania main events have been classic, his fued with Edge had some golden moments, and his fued with JBL is one of my favorite Smackdown fueds ever. He isn't a bad wrestler by any means. Comparing him to Dwayne Johnson is just a bit silly though.
Tell me, what is John Cena's best match to date? In fact, name me four John Cena matches that were even good.

Cena vs. JBL was NOT a classic. It was like 6-7 minutes long and it was a slow, drawn out brawl that ended anticlimactically. His matches against Triple H and Shawn Michaels were good, but not great. Like I said, they'll go down in history the same way that Hogan vs. Sid Justice and Macho vs. DiBiase will go down in history; as good matches that just happened to take place on the grandest stage of the year, but nothing special.

I'm not saying that Cena isn't a good wrestler, I'm saying that he hasn't had anywhere close to the feuds, moments, matches, or promos that The Rock had during his time on top, and honestly, I don't think that John Cena ever will.
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Old 12-16-2007, 02:54 PM   #4
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The Rock is about a billion times better than John Cena.

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I dunno, the last two Wrestlemanias with Cena in the main event have been fairly epic. You ride them off so easily like they weren't anything special. I don't remember the last time I got that worked up over a main event like that. Me and all of my friends were GLUED to the screen, awaiting the downfall of Cena. WWE really painted a picture going in to those matches. Both of them kinda had a 'Superman vs Godzilla' feel to them. You knew either guy could win at any second. Every time Cena locked in the STFU, we absolutely flipped the fuck out, literally screaming at the TV for either Trips or Michaels to get out. Both of them were very good matches.

Also, Edge vs Cena in TLC was brilliant.
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I dunno, the last two Wrestlemanias with Cena in the main event have been fairly epic. You ride them off so easily like they weren't anything special. I don't remember the last time I got that worked up over a main event like that. Me and all of my friends were GLUED to the screen, awaiting the downfall of Cena. WWE really painted a picture going in to those matches. Both of them kinda had a 'Superman vs Godzilla' feel to them. You knew either guy could win at any second. Every time Cena locked in the STFU, we absolutely flipped the fuck out, literally screaming at the TV for either Trips or Michaels to get out. Both of them were very good matches.

Also, Edge vs Cena in TLC was brilliant.
You know, you're right about all 3 of those matches. The only problem is, he wins them all. And all of the other ones.
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Old 12-16-2007, 11:53 PM   #7
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I dunno, the last two Wrestlemanias with Cena in the main event have been fairly epic. You ride them off so easily like they weren't anything special. I don't remember the last time I got that worked up over a main event like that. Me and all of my friends were GLUED to the screen, awaiting the downfall of Cena. WWE really painted a picture going in to those matches. Both of them kinda had a 'Superman vs Godzilla' feel to them. You knew either guy could win at any second. Every time Cena locked in the STFU, we absolutely flipped the fuck out, literally screaming at the TV for either Trips or Michaels to get out. Both of them were very good matches.

Also, Edge vs Cena in TLC was brilliant.
You see, I really disagree with this. No offence, but Cena was obviously going to win all his WrestleMania matches. I would have honestly bet my house on it.

The matches themselves were not that great, either. I can't remember anything that happened from them. I know John Cena no-sold HBK's leg work at the end of their bout, or something of the like, though. I also know that the fans wanted to see Cena's blood, which is a reaction I am getting sick of. Any reaction is a good reaction? Bullshit. John Cena matches are becoming all about how he's meant to be getting cheered, but instead people hate him.

I enjoyed the TLC Match, but that was because of Edge. It was a fucking stupid move to not have Edge win that match. I will admit that Cena kind of looked cool for a second, when he FU'd Edge off the ladder and through the tables, and then shook his head, regretting that it had to come to that, and realising that he had definitely won the match. Apart from that, the match was once again about the "bad guy" getting cheered over Cena. Edge also made that match. Cena took one cool bump, and that's about it.
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From what I hear he won over 100 matches in 2007 alone or something. Chances are if I name one of his matches, he won it.
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If HHH didn't tear his quad it would have been a rematch with HHH winning at WM23.
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If HHH didn't tear his quad it would have been a rematch with HHH winning at WM23.
I disagree. In fact, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if the WWE put John Cena in a match against The Undertaker at WrestleMania, Cena would win. In fact, I'm half-expecting Cena to end Taker's streak at WrestleMania XXV.

Cena is probably going to get a streak up and going. I mean, the guy is currently 4-0, and I can't see anyone on the WWE roster who is in their prime enough, and seen as important enough to the WWE to interrupt that.
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I disagree. In fact, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if the WWE put John Cena in a match against The Undertaker at WrestleMania, Cena would win. In fact, I'm half-expecting Cena to end Taker's streak at WrestleMania XXV.
Sadly, he's probably right.

I may be thinking it for different reasons, but it seems like a logical progression since they're trying to put him over big.

Of course, ending Taker's streak seems like a WWE booking "logical" choice for helping him win back the fans.
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Sadly, he's probably right.

I may be thinking it for different reasons, but it seems like a logical progression since they're trying to put him over big.

Of course, ending Taker's streak seems like a WWE booking "logical" choice for helping him win back the fans.
That's exactly it. They'll think that putting him over The Undertaker at WrestleMania will put him on that Hall of Fame level, as if holding the WWE Championship longer than any modern wrestler does not accomplish that.

To be fair, though, I would be pulling for John Cena in that match. Fuck, I hate The Undertaker. Half his WrestleMania wins are against people who didn't stand a chance against him, anyway.
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did the rock ever hav a belt that spins? I dont think so!

(P.S Cena is not fit to even smell the rocks shit let alone be compared to him)
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Cena's matches against The Undertake black when he was a heel were pretty good, tbh.
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Cena's matches against The Undertake black when he was a heel were pretty good, tbh.
Both are different characters now, though. Cena would try and "brawl" with The Undertaker, and Taker would pretend he is scary in a leotard.
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The other thing I just realised is that back in the attitude era the performers looked like they were having a good time. Think back to the funny moments such as Foley / Rock "This is your life", the time when rock dropped his glasses, the performers had to stop themselves laughing, even the heels.
These days most performers just go through the motions and walk back through the curtain.
The closest I have seen to that recently was during the Trips / Steph segment last week on Raw, and Jericho's smile when he returned, which showed he really was getting a bit of a buzz to be back. The same could be said of RVD last week, also Trish and Lita. Again guys (and girls) from the attitude era.

The other thing is that most segments never advance the storyline or get anything done anymore. Someone coming out at the beginning of raw simply means that the segment will set up the main event for that night, which is usually some tag match I have no care for seeing. It doesn't further the storyline. I know WWE isn't meant to be highbrow drama or anythingt, but I'm sure even children could handle a more entwined storyline. And god forbid two fueds or storylines should ever interact.
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