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Old 01-11-2008, 12:32 AM   #41
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Old 01-11-2008, 08:24 PM   #42
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That ending scenario makes no sense. What's the point of trying to win if the final two just get title shots? Whats the point of a rumble? And the other title shot is going to be determined by an elimination chamber at No Way Out.

As for no logical way for Kennedy or MVP to win and then lose the title shot. Umm.....cheat. And then the next night have it reversed or have to defend it at No Way Out against the person they cheated...Taker.
It'd suck because it'd be pointless because the rub they get from "winning" the rumble would be cancelled out.

So basically...Taker is probably winning this, and the Raw challenger winning the elimination chamber.
I didn't say it would make sense, but it's exactly what happened last year. And very similar to what happened the year before that.
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Old 01-12-2008, 10:20 PM   #43
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Finlay, Jamie Noble and Cody Rhodes are in. We're up to 13, I believe.
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Old 01-13-2008, 04:14 AM   #44
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I didn't say it would make sense, but it's exactly what happened last year. And very similar to what happened the year before that.
Yes, since brand extension the final remaining participant(s) from the losing brand have become the number one contender on their show.
But this is just a matter of them being the tops on their brand, and using that accomplishment as a reason to claim the right to wrestle in that match. In all those cases, they weren't simply named number one contender. That also had to participate in matches or even a tournament to earn their shot.

I just think it'd be ridiculous to have the rules of a rumble be, last two guys standing both get a title shot. It makes you wonder why they wouldn't just leave. There'd be no winner.
It'd be like awarding a Lombardi trophy to both teams that make the superbowl. It becomes about making it, or just placing, rather than winning the damn thing.

One great thing about the rumble is to win it, you have to fuckin win it. Even if an entrant plays coward, or stays outside the ring or whatever, at some point they have to face the music and eliminate at least one man to win. It's actually the best part. The final two.
A prime example of this is Vince in 99. He HAD to get in there with Austin if he was going to win it. Sooner or later the shit hits the fan.

With 2 winners, a pussy can just hide under the ring and win a title shot at Wrestlemania, and some guy who busted his ass off eliminating 28 guys would share a victory with him.
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Yes, since brand extension the final remaining participant(s) from the losing brand have become the number one contender on their show.
But this is just a matter of them being the tops on their brand, and using that accomplishment as a reason to claim the right to wrestle in that match. In all those cases, they weren't simply named number one contender. That also had to participate in matches or even a tournament to earn their shot.

I just think it'd be ridiculous to have the rules of a rumble be, last two guys standing both get a title shot. It makes you wonder why they wouldn't just leave. There'd be no winner.
It'd be like awarding a Lombardi trophy to both teams that make the superbowl. It becomes about making it, or just placing, rather than winning the damn thing.

One great thing about the rumble is to win it, you have to fuckin win it. Even if an entrant plays coward, or stays outside the ring or whatever, at some point they have to face the music and eliminate at least one man to win. It's actually the best part. The final two.
A prime example of this is Vince in 99. He HAD to get in there with Austin if he was going to win it. Sooner or later the shit hits the fan.

With 2 winners, a pussy can just hide under the ring and win a title shot at Wrestlemania, and some guy who busted his ass off eliminating 28 guys would share a victory with him.
I agree with you, and I might be wrong because I can't be bothered to go back and re-read The Optimist's post, but I don't think he supported the idea of the last two getting confirmed title shots, or even predicting it exactly like that. I got the impression that he suggested the runner-up from his brand uses that to leverage him into a match deciding the WrestleMania challenger, or something, one of the outcomes you mentioned in the past.

Just thought I'd throw it out there: I really think the Elimination Chamber at No Way Out is a stupid idea. I really do. Save it until there is a time for six men to want to kill each other. There could be one later this year, perhaps, but the longer they go before there is one, the more of a splash it will make when it is announced.
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Old 01-13-2008, 12:19 PM   #46
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In so far:
Batista
Carlito
Cody Rhodes
Finlay
Hardcore Holly
Hornswoggle
Jamie Noble
John Morrison
Kane
Mick Foley
Miz
Santino Marella
Snitsky
Umaga
Undertaker

Predictions for the last 15 spots:
Balls Mahoney (comic relief entry)
Big Daddy V
Bobby Lashley (possibly as a mystery return entry)
Curt Hawkins
Elijah Burke
Great Khali
Jimmy Wang Yang
Mark Henry
Mr. Kennedy
Shannon Moore
Shawn Michaels
Shelton Benjamin (wrestling a qualifier next week, basically a lock)
Zack Ryder
Winner of Jericho/JBL
Winner of MVP/Flair
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Old 01-13-2008, 08:34 PM   #47
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Predictions for the last 15 spots:
Balls Mahoney (comic relief entry)
Big Daddy V
Bobby Lashley (possibly as a mystery return entry)
Curt Hawkins
Elijah Burke
Great Khali
Jimmy Wang Yang
Mark Henry
Mr. Kennedy
Shannon Moore
Shawn Michaels
Shelton Benjamin (wrestling a qualifier next week, basically a lock)
Zack Ryder
Winner of Jericho/JBL
Winner of MVP/Flair
Pretty accurate, I think. Only, I don't think we'll get Ric Flair in the Royal Rumble, but rather MVP upset that he lost to Flair, and taking poor Shannon Moore's place.

I also don't see Curt Hawkins & Zack Ryder in the match, officially. I think they'll run in and attack Batista and Taker, and try to eliminate them. More serious versions of the Kaientai appearances in the 2000 Rumble, in a way.

The Highlanders won a qualifying match somewhere, I believe, but the WWE is yet to acknowledge it. I don't think we'll get them in there, however, but it's something to keep in mind. I think Jesse & Festus will actually be in, though.

As for that last spot instead of the official MVP/JBL winner? I think it will go to Big Show as a surprise, or for some reason, The Boogeyman. Either him or Tommy Dreamer.
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Old 01-13-2008, 08:45 PM   #48
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Ric Flair will win the rumble when Sid Justice eliminates Hulk Hogan. Book it.
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Old 01-13-2008, 09:17 PM   #49
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Pretty accurate, I think. Only, I don't think we'll get Ric Flair in the Royal Rumble, but rather MVP upset that he lost to Flair, and taking poor Shannon Moore's place.

I also don't see Curt Hawkins & Zack Ryder in the match, officially. I think they'll run in and attack Batista and Taker, and try to eliminate them. More serious versions of the Kaientai appearances in the 2000 Rumble, in a way.

The Highlanders won a qualifying match somewhere, I believe, but the WWE is yet to acknowledge it. I don't think we'll get them in there, however, but it's something to keep in mind. I think Jesse & Festus will actually be in, though.

As for that last spot instead of the official MVP/JBL winner? I think it will go to Big Show as a surprise, or for some reason, The Boogeyman. Either him or Tommy Dreamer.
Yeah you might be right...I dunno it would make sense storyline-wise for Vickie to enter Ryder & Hawkins just because it means there's a chance one of them could win (yeah right) setting up an easy WM title retain for Edge. Come to think I wouldn't be overly shocked if Batista and Undertaker got the first 2 entries (not announced ahead of time so as to give Cole a chance to bitch about how Vickie must have rigged the draw). But if Taker or Bats won the match it'd be fucking lame to have ANOTHER person winning from the #1 or #2 spot.

Jesse and Festus getting in would be funny, especially if Festus was one of the first two entrants. He can do his whole snapping thing when the bell rings and then later on he and Jesse will be eliminated and Festus will snap...so Jesse has to ring the bell to calm him back down before they go to the back.
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:51 AM   #50
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Yeah you might be right...I dunno it would make sense storyline-wise for Vickie to enter Ryder & Hawkins just because it means there's a chance one of them could win (yeah right) setting up an easy WM title retain for Edge. Come to think I wouldn't be overly shocked if Batista and Undertaker got the first 2 entries (not announced ahead of time so as to give Cole a chance to bitch about how Vickie must have rigged the draw). But if Taker or Bats won the match it'd be fucking lame to have ANOTHER person winning from the #1 or #2 spot.

Jesse and Festus getting in would be funny, especially if Festus was one of the first two entrants. He can do his whole snapping thing when the bell rings and then later on he and Jesse will be eliminated and Festus will snap...so Jesse has to ring the bell to calm him back down before they go to the back.
That's exactly what I see happening with Jesse and Festus. They both end up tossed at relatively the same time, but Festus cannot stop because he's only been eliminated, a decision has not been reached, so Jesse takes the bell and rings it as referees calm him down.

I'm actually really hoping that The Undertaker or Batista doesn't win the match. Logic really sets up for an Undertaker win, but I think it would be much better if Ryder & Hawkins, and even Big Daddy V & Mark Henry took out Batista and Taker, playing into her evil GM mode, and they have to work out yet another way to get their title shots.

I want a somewhat surprising winner, even if they don't get the WrestleMania title shot.
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Old 01-14-2008, 03:36 PM   #51
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I want a somewhat surprising winner, even if they don't get the WrestleMania title shot.
Hogan (backstage with Vince, after winning the match as a surprise entry): I don't care about the title, brother! I just want my 10 points!

Vince: This isn’t American Gladiators, Terry, and it’s not NBC, which means you don’t run things...I do! And you’re getting a title shot, whether you want one or not!

Hogan: Oh, all right! As long as I win the title, I guess...but which title will you be giving me a shot at?

Vince: ...Here. Look for yourself (reaches into a small bag)


Nah. But seriously, my pick for surprise entrant (most likely at #30)/winner:




He’ll get his revenge and cost Kennedy the match, and I’ve got them predicted as the Final 2.
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I definitely see Lashley returning in the match, and I see him chucking Kennedy, but I think it will be the last quarter of the match, and not really the very end.

I think Lashley will end up eliminated by Shawn Michaels, or someone.
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