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Old 03-09-2004, 06:14 PM   #41
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Bertuzzi is scum. Not only did he punch him from behind, he drove his head into the ice. Marc Crawford is an asshole as well. When Moore was on the ice, unconscious and bleeding, Crawford had a smirk on his face.

Everyone who knows me is aware that I've never been a fan of Bertuzzi. His actions last night are no different than the way he was from '91-'92 to '94-'95 when he played here in Guelph in the OHL.

Bertuzzi's the kind of player who finds it very difficult to play diciplined hockey. Bertuzzi is the player who takes a stupid penalty in the last few minutes of a game when his team is down by a goal and trying to tie it up.

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Yeah he should be suspended for that. No ****ing reason for that. If he wanted to "avenge" Naslund, fight him like a man.
 
Old 03-09-2004, 06:32 PM   #43
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Morcheba shut up. That is the most biased talk I have ever seen on these boards. Bertuzzi has his history of doing dumb shit things like this, he took a total cheap shot (And IMO the hit on Naslund wasn't unbelievably bad to begin with) and now you are saying that Bertuzzi helped him by holding him up? You are throwing out so much bullshit throughout this thread that its not even funny. Accept the fact that Bertuzzi made an unbelievably bad decision and will likely be suspended for a long time.

Bertuzzi is a fucking retard. Last year he took a dumb penalty late in Game 7 against the Wild ruining any chance they had to come back, and now it looks like his stupid shit is going to mess their playoff hopes up again. I say trade that piece of shit for someone who is good and doesn't make shitty ideas.

lol shut up yourself sorry if im pointing out the facts. I'm not being bias towards bertuzzi, im saying the truth if you saw any of the shit that went on last night you would know. also have you ever held an unconscious person? a 200 pound person will drop like they have 400 pounds of weight on them. look into some facts and go hope minnesota gets back to the play-offs eventually.
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Old 03-09-2004, 06:34 PM   #44
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and did you guys not see that Moore turtled out of two fights in the game. that alone showed granato that he was a marked man so there was no reason to leave him in the game late in the game. Granato himself knows what it's like to be a marked man he did slash a guy right in the face and got suspended for 15 games. I'm not trying to say Bertuzzi doesn't deserve along term suspension or anything like that im just saying the NHL isn't going to come down on him as much as you people think they should.
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Bertuzzi outweighs Moore by 35 pounds. He could have easy turned him around and started pounding on him. I have no problem with retaliation but come on be a man about it
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I am sure Bertuzzi was thinking "Whoopdie do, I'll jack this guy in the back of the head...OMG HE'S UNCONSCIOUS!!! I BETTER CATCH HIM AND LAY HIM DOWN TO SAFETY!"

Get real, it may have been better of for Moore, key words there are "may have," but its not like Bertuzzi did it on purpose of anything, Moore shouldn't have been falling to the ground unconscious to begin with.

Don't pretend like you aren't biased towards Bertuzzi, because it is so blatant that you are. I'm not gonna lie, I have personal bias for my teams players too, but when it is something like this you just have to sit down and recognize how stupid that decision was, and not just for him personally, not having him in the upcoming weaks could be detrimental to his team.
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I am sure Bertuzzi was thinking "Whoopdie do, I'll jack this guy in the back of the head...OMG HE'S UNCONSCIOUS!!! I BETTER CATCH HIM AND LAY HIM DOWN TO SAFETY!"

Get real, it may have been better of for Moore, key words there are "may have," but its not like Bertuzzi did it on purpose of anything, Moore shouldn't have been falling to the ground unconscious to begin with.

Don't pretend like you aren't biased towards Bertuzzi, because it is so blatant that you are. I'm not gonna lie, I have personal bias for my teams players too, but when it is something like this you just have to sit down and recognize how stupid that decision was, and not just for him personally, not having him in the upcoming weaks could be detrimental to his team.

I have already said it was stupid of him to do, I've said he deserves to get suspended.

Before you call bertuzzi a big dick for this one though maybe you should look up what Matt Johnson did to Jeff Beukeboom back in 94 that was the basically the same thing that happend here and he got a 12 game suspenson. Oh and Beukeboom never played again. Moore will.
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Okay, and what does that have to do with anything? Someone else did it and got suspended; so? That doesn't make Bertuzzi any less of a dick.
 
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Okay, and what does that have to do with anything? Someone else did it and got suspended; so? That doesn't make Bertuzzi any less of a dick.

did I say it does?
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im saying if he wants to call me stupid for being bias towards Bertuzzi he would have been the same way for the player on his team. I don't recall ever being Bias towards Bertuzzi in this thread but whatever.
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if Bertuzzi gets more than the rest of the season, he'll go to the WHA

Im sure he wont mind
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I had no idea who Matt Johnson was in 1994, but I am sure he got suspended justly since I don't hear anything since. If Matt Johnson did what Bertuzzi did, I would react in the same way I am now.
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did I say it does?
I was referring to the "Before you call Bertuzzi a big dick for this..." part.
 
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Johnson punched him in the back of the head too
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I know that (they mentioned it in the article on TSN). I'm just saying, yes what Johnson did was bad. Bertuzzi did it too. As far as I'm concerned, they're both dicks. I don't care who did it first and for what reason, it's still a stupid thing to do.
 
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I had no idea who Matt Johnson was in 1994, but I am sure he got suspended justly since I don't hear anything since. If Matt Johnson did what Bertuzzi did, I would react in the same way I am now.

so Bertuzzi should get 12 games and you'll have no problem with that?
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also, I made a mistake it was in 98 the johnson thing
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When did I ever condone anything that Johnson did?
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I never said you did, im saying that you felt his punishment was justified with a 12 game suspenson so why shouldn't Bertuzzi's?
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According to our local sports radio, the police are looking into it
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the police aren't gonna do anything about it anyways. yeah they're looking into it, is Moore gonna press charges? unlikely.
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Purely because I have no idea what this was and what the severity of it all was. I have a good idea what happened, but I am not going to justify or attack his suspension because I do not know enough about it.
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he got in one good shot though


then of course he got pounded and fell to the ground
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Blake always comes up on the fight thing on NHL 2004 on my custon team, I don't wanna use him though since he's my best Dman and he always jobs in fights
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and did you guys not see that Moore turtled out of two fights in the game. that alone showed granato that he was a marked man so there was no reason to leave him in the game late in the game. Granato himself knows what it's like to be a marked man he did slash a guy right in the face and got suspended for 15 games. I'm not trying to say Bertuzzi doesn't deserve along term suspension or anything like that im just saying the NHL isn't going to come down on him as much as you people think they should.
Wait, so it's the coaches fault for not taking the player out?

WTF cheebs... I dunno, maybe your bleading team colors a little to deep here.

I'm still trying to see the video (stupid espn.com video wont load).

But, everyone I've talked to who seen it, said he drove him into the Ice, he wasn't trying to catch or hold him up.

If that's the case, I don't see why the Ice wouldn't count as a deadly weapon in the same way the stick (mcsorley) or a foot, etc...

My take (again, w/o seeing the video) if he hit him from behined and drove him into the ice, the intent doesn't matter, it's the outcome (kinda like manslaughter v. murder 1).
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Wait, so it's the coaches fault for not taking the player out?

WTF cheebs... I dunno, maybe your bleading team colors a little to deep here.

I'm still trying to see the video (stupid espn.com video wont load).

But, everyone I've talked to who seen it, said he drove him into the Ice, he wasn't trying to catch or hold him up.

If that's the case, I don't see why the Ice wouldn't count as a deadly weapon in the same way the stick (mcsorley) or a foot, etc...

My take (again, w/o seeing the video) if he hit him from behined and drove him into the ice, the intent doesn't matter, it's the outcome (kinda like manslaughter v. murder 1).
I wassn't saying it's the coaches fault but he KNEW Moore was gonna get it sometime in that game he was marked from the get go. When the score then becomes 8-2 shits gonna fly on anyteam trying to "spark" a team or whatever you wanna call it. none of it should have happend but you can't change it now.
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it was like in the Ottawa and Philly game the other night, Martin (sens coach) was sending his players to fight, but the guy Philly was targeting (Havlat) was in the box and he wassn't going to be on the ice cause he knew what would happen.
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it was like in the Ottawa and Philly game the other night, Martin (sens coach) was sending his players to fight, but the guy Philly was targeting (Havlat) was in the box and he wassn't going to be on the ice cause he knew what would happen.
Sounds like your blaming the coach, I know your saying your not...

But saying "The coach should have known he was marked and fists would fly, and he shouldn't have been out there".

Only way I can read that is putting some blame on the coach.
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granato's an inexperienced coach, anyone with half a brain knows that when the game's out of hand and you've got a marked man, you sit him out unless you want to start shit or egg the other team on. granato isn't to blame for what bertuzzi did but is partly to blame for allowing things to get out of hand by having moore on the ice. anyways the fan reaction around here from what i've heard on radio talk shows and what not is that most people are really laying into bertuzzi rather then taking a homer stance on it, some people are calling for a suspension into the playoffs as well.
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