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Old 01-23-2008, 10:00 AM   #41
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I can see Jeff winning the belt but it will be quite a short title reign with Orton winning the belt back at the next Pay Per View.

Then Orton marches into Mania as Champ to face off with whoever wins the Rumble.

Then I can see Jeff winning the Money in the Bank Ladder match and cashing in later on in the year to cement him as a main eventer.
I wouldn't doubt that. Also, the more I think about it, the more Jeff seems like a perfect canidate for best wrestler to never win a world title.
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Old 01-23-2008, 02:55 PM   #42
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If Hardy dosen't win the title match, I would at least like to see a double count-out due to some sick spot outside of the ring. IMO it makes Jeff look more credible to prove that Orton couldn't continue the match, adds the fact that Orton couldn't pin Hardy, and shows Hardy would do anything to win.
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Old 01-23-2008, 03:11 PM   #43
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There definitely has to be a double count-out or Orton giving a kick to the head to Hardy to have the match stopped b/c i want to see Hardy win it at WrestleMania. It would be more special imo
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Old 01-23-2008, 05:28 PM   #44
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I can see Jeff winning the belt but it will be quite a short title reign with Orton winning the belt back at the next Pay Per View.

Then Orton marches into Mania as Champ to face off with whoever wins the Rumble.

Then I can see Jeff winning the Money in the Bank Ladder match and cashing in later on in the year to cement him as a main eventer.
That wouldn't bea bad idea especially since even though i am a fan of hardy i dont think he should have a very long title reign for his first championship.
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Old 01-24-2008, 02:33 AM   #45
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I’ve said all this before, but here goes.

Jeff isn’t going to win on Sunday.

The feud alone has elevated him, he doesn’t need a win, because it will hurt Orton, more than it will help Jeff. This feud has proven to fans that even without a match, he’s a potential main eventer and that is what this feud is all about. They have played to Hardy’s strengths and Orton has been putting him over like a god. But when push comes to shove, Orton needs to keep momentum, he hasn’t really had a clean win yet, and realistically he’s going to Mania as champ, so he needs to have clean wins from now until March to stay strong.

Hardy’s fan connection is immense, he does have the everyman thing going for him, like Dusty, because he’s not like everyone else on the roster, he’s a skinnier guy, who’s not afraid to go against the grain and any fan could easily be him. That’s what the Dusty connection was, know he was a man of the people for the people, yes it’s corny, but that’s why I’ve always liked Jeff.

Don’t get me wrong, as a mark, I would totally love Jeff to win the belt, but thinking about the direction of the business, it makes better sense to keep with Orton, Jeff is already elevated to an upper mid-carder now, keep him in high level programmes till the summer and then re-visit the title scene, he will still be as strong, a feud with him and HBK would be great, or he could go to smackdown, where he would realistically have a better shot at winning the title.
Personally, I think Randy Orton winning would hurt Jeff Hardy more than it would help Randy Orton. As a fan looking to order the Royal Rumble, there are two really big selling points to me: The Royal Rumble Match, and Jeff Hardy riding that momentum to a WWE Title win. If they have Orton retain, they better do it a way that makes Jeff Hardy look very good. He will lose a lot of fan support otherwise.

The reason people have been buying into Jeff Hardy, including his former critics, such as myself, have been the sheer mark-out moments of him keeping his word. Randy Orton should have made victory impossible for Jeff Hardy in the Steel Cage Match, but Jeff instead hit that massive Whisper in the Wind, and completely obliterating Umaga.

Then Randy Orton devised a devious plan to get Jeff Hardy into position where he could kick him in the balls and then switch the momentum, but Hardy back body dropped Orton off the stage, avoiding a knock-out kick, and then hit that amazing Swanton Bomb.

The story here is that Orton's heel tactics aren't washing with Jeff. The second they do, this feud is pretty much over, in my opinion, as would be Jeff Hardy's immense amount of good will.

I can understand why you'd want to keep Randy Orton strong, but I think from a direction of the business standpoint, you need to look at who is going to make you money. Jeff Hardy is a bigger draw than Randy Orton, so it makes sense to have Hardy head into WrestleMania. The guy has been better recently, but Orton is not going to sell any tickets.

What the WWE have done with this feud, is tease so heavily that Orton is going to lose the WWE Title to this kid who has been on a roll, that if that event does not happen, people are going to be pissed. What you have to decide, I guess, is whether or not it's good to get them pissed heading into WrestleMania. Are you going to build up another face to take the belt off Orton, or are you going to play it safe, and give the fans what they are paying to see.
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Old 01-24-2008, 02:35 AM   #46
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I wouldn't doubt that. Also, the more I think about it, the more Jeff seems like a perfect canidate for best wrestler to never win a world title.
Whoa, I think that's going a bit too far with the guy. Owen Hart and William Regal are two guys off the top of my head that I'd consider better than Jeff Hardy. I'm not even sure Hardy would crack the top ten. His own brother is ahead of him.
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Old 01-24-2008, 02:42 AM   #47
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Well I'm not sure what will happen. Tell tale signs and logic points to no. I want to say yes, but I just don't see it happening.
On the other side of things, I get this strange feeling with everything going on that he's gonna win. It almost seems like hes gotta.

But I think him not winning might be better, even with all this hype. It will be a letdown, but if they want to knock it out of the park they should keep building it for Mania against HHH or HBK.
If he loses though, he has to be utterly screwed. This might derail his momentum, but his reaction to it might give him even more. If he comes out of it a victim of a screwjob who had Orton dead to rights, and is now irate and more driven/out of control, he may even get more entertaining and hyped up.
Then with an elimination chamber win, he could go into Wrestlemania the challenger with more momentum than anyone this decade.


Either way, my point is no matter what (knock on wood) he won't be losing cleanly this Sunday. If he loses, which he probably will, he'll be utterly screwed. The more the better.

Then again, he could win it. But wouldn't you rather see him pick up more steam and finally do it at a Wrestlemania against a bigger name/more credible heel champion?
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Old 01-24-2008, 02:48 AM   #48
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Then again, he could win it. But wouldn't you rather see him pick up more steam and finally do it at a Wrestlemania against a bigger name/more credible heel champion?
Personally? Not really. His road to this has been going since roughly Survivor Series, and now he has the shot in his grasp. If he fails to win the belt, what then? "Oh, hey, I'm going to try again." It just makes him seem like a failure, in my opinion. The guy who couldn't win the big one, so now he's going for an even bigger one, and we're meant to buy it.

I'd much rather see Jeff Hardy silence Randy Orton, once and for all, and look like a guy who can get the job done. Then have a heel turn for either Triple H or Shawn Michaels, and have them joke about how Jeff Hardy is going to crash and burn, and how he got lucky, whatever. Jeff then successfully retains the WWE Championship through WrestleMania. They can make the title defence just as big a moment as the title win at WrestleMania theoretically would. The Rumble win would also be more shocking, whereas the Mania win would be a foregone conclusion.
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Old 01-24-2008, 02:58 AM   #49
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But he isn't failing if HHH or somebody comes in an levels him right when he's about to win it. He's getting screwed.
Big difference. It makes his character want it more, and it makes the fans want it more too
And it's better achieved by him, and delivered to the fans (after coming so close) just down the road at the biggest show of the year.

Now, if he got cheated before this or he flat out failed it'd be momentum killing. But that's not what I'm suggesting

See Stone Cold Steve Austin in 99. It all led up to a dozen different nights, and he didn't get his way. Title shots/rematches/tournaments/royal rumbles/number one contenderships. There were plenty of times when it was "finally going to happen" and it didn't. But he didn't fail, he was screwed or unlucky. But finally he got it in the peak and finale of the greatest build/struggle in WWF/E history
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Old 01-24-2008, 04:01 AM   #50
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I can kind of see what you mean, but what we're talking about is basically two PPVs. Is elongating the Jeff Hardy win really the best for it? Once again, I think surprise is an issue. If Hardy is challenging for the belt at WrestleMania, he is 100% guaranteed to win, and the suspense dies a little. A lot of the excitement for this shot doesn't actually come from the fact that it's Jeff Hardy, the man is nowhere near Stone Cold Steve Austin or The Rock on those levels, but rather that there is the whole unpredictability factor.

I think the longer this storyline goes, the more chance the WWE has of dropping the ball.

The only real screwjob I see being effective at the Rumble, is Matt Hardy turning on Jeff, and then returning to feud with his younger brother for or after WrestleMania.
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Old 01-24-2008, 11:17 AM   #51
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I think Jeff needs to take the belt on Sunday. He has so much momentum going for him right now, and the fans are so completely behind him, to come out of that match without the WWE Championship would be a massive letdown for everyone. He's at a peak that he's never been before and may never reach again if it's not capitalized upon. They've done things perfectly so far, all they need is to push him over the edge and Jeff Hardy will be a main eventer for life.

I would love to see him win the belt at the Rumble, lose the title back to Orton at NWO in some sort of screwy finish, and then it's Orton vs. Hardy vs. Triple H (Rumble winner) at Mania for the WWE Championship.
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Old 01-24-2008, 07:06 PM   #52
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They have built jeff hardy up so much right now that the only place for him to go is for him to become champion. They have dropped the ball on so many people in the past that it would be a shame for them to do it to hardy.
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