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Old 02-03-2008, 02:07 PM   #41
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He has had ONE fight..

Mirko Cro Cop is 1-2 in the UFC, do you think his career is over??

UFC is more about having entertaining fights than always winning.. Every fighter loses sometimes.. I mean, one fighter loses every fight.. It goes with the territory of fighting.. I am sure Lesnar will win a bunch of fights in UFC but it was a stretch to think he'd come in, in only his second MMA fight ever and beat a former HVW champ.. He looked really good against him and that's all that matters..
Go back and read what I actually said. Don't just assume.

I never suggested his career is over. He will likely have a very successful career. Any fighter who is more bothered about being entertaining than winning in a combat sport need to reassess their priorities. Lesnar isn't there to excite everyone en route to losing. He's there to make money and win championships, things that can only be achieved by winning. And for the UFC promotional machine to get behind him, he needs to be winning the important fights. His debut was an important fight for him, but can be forgiven... as you say, it's inexperience. But it can't be the start of a trend if he is to become a real legit name in MMA.
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Old 02-03-2008, 02:10 PM   #42
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Okay, simplified, what I'm saying is common sense.

I'm saying he needs to win fights to be successful. Stands to reason, doesn't it?
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Old 02-03-2008, 02:10 PM   #43
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Of coarse he's gonna have to win fights.. But to think that a Mir rematch will be make or break is ridiculous specially if Lesnar beats some guys like Cro Cop, Congo, Arlovski, Sylvia, etc on the way to that rematch..
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I didn't say "make or break"... I'm talking reputation. I'm going on the assumption (there's that word again) that Lesnar won't be fighting the likes of Cro Cop et al over the next year. I'm thinking he will go for some of the smaller fish, and when he's more experienced and confident, will try to exercise the demon of the Mir loss by beating him, and THEN moving onto the big guns.
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Old 02-03-2008, 02:16 PM   #45
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I'm thinking Mir will get the next shot at the title do to him losing the HVW title, then getting in that motorcycle accident.. I mean, he's only had two fights since then, winning both..

They don't have alot of jobbers in UFC, so I'd like to hear who you think Lesnar will fight next..
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Was anybody else thoroughly disappointed at the lack of F5 in that fight?
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Speaking of exorcising demons, I think Lesnar should definitely bust out a shooting star press next time.
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They don't have alot of jobbers in UFC, so I'd like to hear who you think Lesnar will fight next..
Kurt Angle.
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I would mark out ridiculously for a shooting star press in UFC.
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Okay, simplified, what I'm saying is common sense.

I'm saying he needs to win fights to be successful. Stands to reason, doesn't it?
Yes, but he doesn't have any one fight that's a must win, and that's what you said about Mir/Lesnar II. You can have an amazing match and still lose, and in this case, even if he loses, he looks good for standing on solid ground.

Now, if he looked worse against Mir a second time, that would be a problem. Butmerely losing? No.
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It depends on the timing and the promotion of it, and also I suppose how good Mir continues to look. A loss to Mir on top form is one thing... I was under the impression Mir was washed up but it doesn't seem that way right now.
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Old 02-03-2008, 02:34 PM   #53
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He lost the HVW title, then got into a bad motorcycle wreak, since then he's come in and won twice.. Not washed up, but coming into this people didn't know how sharp he would be..

ABT, the closest thing you'll get to a shooting star press is when Charles Crazy Horse Bennett does the backflip off the cage.. He actually did it on an opponent in King of the Cage, but this is the only video I could find of it online..

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He is the man but his thugness keeps him in jail too much so he'll prolly never make it to UFC..
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Old 02-03-2008, 02:38 PM   #55
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Also "washed up" at 28 years old??

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Mir was probally the worst match-up for Lesnar out of any Heavyweight currently in the UFC; given Mir's specialties and Lesnar's but Lesnar definitely has the ability to kill it against a lot of the other heavyweights.
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Old 02-03-2008, 02:41 PM   #57
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I agree with everything Krispy has said, but Mir is 3-2 following the accident

WinBrock LesnarSubmission (Kneebar)UFC 81 - Breaking Point2/2/200811:30
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For some reason I thought he wreak was at the end of 06..

Why did he only fight once last year?? I thought that was when he was hurt..

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Yeah I just remembered him looking horrible at his first fight back, slowly he's coming back into form.

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If Cena can be one half of a "money" feud, then surely HE is the last real star created by WWE. You can't have a money feud without two "stars" involved.
Cena is the last real attempt at creating a star by the WWE. Batista came close to being a star, but Brock Lesnar just felt more accepted than both of them. Cena is statistically in the top spot right now, but he needs a real feud with a real star to get there himself. Brock Lesnar could help him with that.

So could The Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin, but neither of those is happening.
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Old 02-03-2008, 04:47 PM   #70
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Whoever is saying Lesnar looked like a tool must not have watched the same fight. Lesnar looked pretty damn good out the gate. He almost had Mir knocked the fuck out right away. He lost due to lack of experience. If he works on the basics some more, he will definitely be a force to be wreckoned with.
I can't remember, but didn't people think that Lesnar would absolutely destroy Mir? The fact is, he didn't. Look, nobody is trying to say that Lesnar looked like a tool, it's just fun to make fun of the guy for losing.

Brock lost. He was not good enough, and until he proves that he is, then he isn't, so making fun of him is completely justified.
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Old 02-03-2008, 04:51 PM   #71
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Actually, had he not punched Mir in the back of the head, he very well could have won that fight.
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Most of you don't know shit about MMA, obv..

Lesnar looked really good against a former heavyweight champ and prolly one of the BEST heavyweight Jujitsu fighters of all time.. Mir has one of the best guards in the game and true wrestlers usually have trouble protecting the legs on the ground against Jujitsu guys.. Lesnar should have slowed it down and if he had been more patient and if they hadn't stopped the fight for that punch to the back of the head, he had Mir on shakey legs within the first minute.. He was also able to take him down at will.. Lesnar is gonna be a beast in the heavyweight division but he need much more experience.. And as I said earlier, he was fighting a former UFC HVW Champ not just some jobber they feed to him.. I think it was good for UFC cause Mir looked good getting the win against this new contender making his comeback legit, while Brock dominated most of the fight but got caught in a tricky submission..

Also, if anyone thinks he's one and done, you are retarded.. EVERY fighter loses fight.. EVERY fighter.. Brock said in an interview that if UFC had been the powerhouse it is now, and could have offered him the money he's getting now, there's no way he'd ever have gone into prowrestling out of college..

You guys should stick to discussing fake fighting cause you really have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to the real thing..
Most of you don't know shit about having a little harmless fun at someone's expense. I have not see anyone here say that Brock Lesnar was shit. It's just fun to make fun of him because he lost, when most people thought he was going to win.

As I said, I don't need to be an MMA expert to know that Mir bested Lesnar here. That's a fact. Mir wins.

And Lesnar being "one and done" has nothing to do with UFC not wanting him, but rather Lesnar's proven attitude towards life. Wasn't football "his dream?" The guy also got into MMA because of his WWE career. Sure, he might have developed an interest in MMA in some sort of backwards world, but they would not have offered him as much money as he's getting right now if it weren't for his wrestling career.

Lesnar is a glory hog, and if he doesn't get glory in MMA, I don't think he will stick to it long.
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Why make fun of him? He put up a good fight against a former heavyweight champion. Mir's only offense was the one hold that won it for him.
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Noid, you are really defensive.
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Yes, but he doesn't have any one fight that's a must win, and that's what you said about Mir/Lesnar II. You can have an amazing match and still lose, and in this case, even if he loses, he looks good for standing on solid ground.

Now, if he looked worse against Mir a second time, that would be a problem. Butmerely losing? No.
It wouldn't be over for Lesnar if he lost, but I interpreted what Carl said as a second loss to Mir being far more embarrassing than his first loss to him. I'd agree with that sentiment.
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I feel like he had Mir where he wanted him but he just did not know what to do with him. He only had one other fight. He will get better.
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Why make fun of him? He put up a good fight against a former heavyweight champion. Mir's only offense was the one hold that won it for him.
As I said, because everyone said Lesnar would win (except for the jokers who were convinced that Lesnar was going to bomb in MMA because he's failed at everything except wrestling), and he didn't. Sure, Lesnar dominated, but he still lost. It was a rookie mistake, something experience will hopefully iron out, but Lesnar is not as impressive as everyone said he would be. What would be as impressive would have been Lesnar getting all the offence, and then actually winning.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but Lesnar is bigger than Mir, yes? Taking this into account, Lesnar's confidence in being on the offence would be greater, as he's got size on his side. I'm not suggesting guys actually use the Homer Simpson style of fighting, but given Mir's specialties in submission, Lesnar being the bigger of the two and Mir keeping his cool and getting the leg out of nowhere, it could be hypothetically suggested that Mir was in more control than people observe.

Lesnar got caught, but Mir also caught him. All you have to go by is who win, and in this case it was Mir. I'm not saying that Lesnar absolutely won't have a successful MMA career, and that he is a joke. I'm just laughing at the guy's expense. Why? Because it's another avenue the man has claimed he was destined to do, and that he is not doing as well as he theoretically could in.
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I'm not talking to you about this any more. Lesnar is still a beast.
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As I said, because everyone said Lesnar would win (except for the jokers who were convinced that Lesnar was going to bomb in MMA because he's failed at everything except wrestling), and he didn't. Sure, Lesnar dominated, but he still lost. It was a rookie mistake, something experience will hopefully iron out, but Lesnar is not as impressive as everyone said he would be. What would be as impressive would have been Lesnar getting all the offence, and then actually winning.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but Lesnar is bigger than Mir, yes? Taking this into account, Lesnar's confidence in being on the offence would be greater, as he's got size on his side. I'm not suggesting guys actually use the Homer Simpson style of fighting, but given Mir's specialties in submission, Lesnar being the bigger of the two and Mir keeping his cool and getting the leg out of nowhere, it could be hypothetically suggested that Mir was in more control than people observe.

Lesnar got caught, but Mir also caught him. All you have to go by is who win, and in this case it was Mir. I'm not saying that Lesnar absolutely won't have a successful MMA career, and that he is a joke. I'm just laughing at the guy's expense. Why? Because it's another avenue the man has claimed he was destined to do, and that he is not doing as well as he theoretically could in.
People weren't saying he was going to win. I recall when the match was announced, everyone started talking about Mir beating his ass. Then a few people on here like Kane Knight and WWKD (I think Kevin said it at least) started saying that Lesnar had a better shot than people thought...and he did.

People thought that Mir was out of it, but Mir trained hard and studied Lesnar. Lesner also trained hard, but you could tell from the interviews he did that he didn't mentally prepare for this passed "I'm beating Mir up". But one thing I did respect was when asked about winning, he said "I want to win, but if I lose I lose. Just means I have to get better". He said this after the match as well, meaning even in defeat he's excited for more (though I hope he realizes his paychecks won't be as big).

PS: Brock was bigget, but didn't appear so by much. They seem to have the same size muscle, and Brock only seemed a few inches bigger.
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