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Old 04-06-2008, 08:16 PM   #41
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haha jeritron you said all of what i wanted to say but couldn't find the words before. The fact that the us and ic titles havent been defended at wm isnt actually down to the mitb match itself but more like poor booking.
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Old 04-06-2008, 08:19 PM   #42
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No, MitB is a tool for lazy booking. Instead of coming up for an interesting angle for guys like Jericho, Punk, MVP, and a few other stars on the brink of breaking through they set it on cruise control and let the gimmick do the work, it's kinda lazy.
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Old 04-06-2008, 08:19 PM   #43
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I would rather have had Punk/Shelton and Jericho/MVP than MitB this year,
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Hardly lazy booking, you could argue that kotr was a tool for lazy booking in that case.
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yea, it is pretty lazy. They just pick 7 guys and throw them into one match. Pretty straight foward and simple. KOTR was planned out a month or two in advance with what qualifying matches they wanted, where they needed to put each match, how to book each finish etc.... Back in the 90's, it was even longer then the most recent one.

Also, with MITB, there are 5 or 6 losers in the match. The winner may get a great push, but the losers don't really get anything out of it. In a singles match, sometimes the loser gets just as much or even more respect sometimes, then the winner
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Thing is the last few kotr's weren't brilliantly booked. Anyhow the MITB is a nice fun match to have at wm which gets superstars over. I didn't realize that was such a bad thing.
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It doesn't get superstars over. We're lucky if it gets any superstar. Is edge more over because of MitB? Mayyyyybe. Maybe. Is Kennedy? No. Anyone else who was in it? Nope. Punk? definitely not yet.

It a fun and easy to book match to have at wrestle mania to sell PPV buys. That's what it is. And while it's fun I'd trade it for KotR in a heart beat.
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Thing is the last few kotr's weren't brilliantly booked. Anyhow the MITB is a nice fun match to have at wm which gets superstars over. I didn't realize that was such a bad thing.
And btw, the 2002 KotR was brilliant from start to finish.
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Actually, this years mitb got all the superstars over imo especially john morrisson.

edit: dont remember much about kotr 2002, can't have been that great.
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We'll see. Little too early to tell how much imoact it will have on them. Jericho got nothing from it and neither did Kennedy I can tell you that much right now.
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Old 04-06-2008, 09:07 PM   #51
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I would rather have had Punk/Shelton and Jericho/MVP than MitB this year,

I agree they may get lazy about booking other matches, thats what I was saying, they throw some guys in there instead of booking them elsewhere, but MITB itself is hardly lazy. KOTR also has the same level of thought put into it normally. The qualifying matches are hardly any more well thought out or planned than MITB qualifying matches are. And the final 4 or 2 in KOTR is a lot more predictable and random than the top picks of MITB. They pick guys cut from the same cloth to compete. They could easily have defenses of one or both secondary titles and MITB on the same show.

This year you had Punk win it and could have still had Kennedy, Jeff Hardy (providing he didn't fuck up), Morrison, Shelton and potentially other guys involved in the match that would give it more than enough star power..while still having Matt Hardy vs MVP for the US title and Jericho vs someone else.
Theres enough talent to do all 3, or at the very least MITB and one of those titles defended.

The IC title not being defended is nothign new since MITB, it hadn't been defended years prior to it.

I will settle for KOTR and MITB equaling the same thing for all intents and purposes, but I don't think KOTR is in any way a superior booked or managed contest.
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lol kennedys like the only one i guess that i don't think got over actually, the rest all made some impact in that match.
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Kennedy would have saved it until late 07 or the next years wrestlemania and probably made some form of impact. Jericho also got nothing from it because he didn't win it, Punk did and thats yet to be seen. But if it gets him on Raw or Smackdown and sees him with a PPV title match for one of the major world titles, it has done volumes for him.
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I wonder if shelton will ever win it, he's made that match his own but is never in a real position to win it lol.
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I like MITB but yeah it definitely is lazy as the angles write themselves. I would rather see the IC and US belts get a chance to be defended on the biggest show of the year (the former hasn't been defended at WM since 18) therefore allowing a couple lower ranked guys a chance to jump in and thus make the match not too predictable/reassure the viewer that somebody fresh is getting a rub.
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He's not MITB material yet, or at least not until they push him in a way beforehand that makes it acceptable for him to win
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Kennedy would have saved it until late 07 or the next years wrestlemania and probably made some form of impact. Jericho also got nothing from it because he didn't win it, Punk did and thats yet to be seen. But if it gets him on Raw or Smackdown and sees him with a PPV title match for one of the major world titles, it has done volumes for him.
I'm talking this year. Jericho and Kennedy gained nothing from being in this matches other than some new sores.
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True, but that can be said about a lot of wrestlers in a lot of matches. What would Jericho have gained from being in another IC title bout at Mania?
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True, but that can be said about a lot of wrestlers in a lot of matches. What would Jericho have gained from being in another IC title bout at Mania?

Not much, plus it would've been too predictable that he would've won the match.
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Old 04-06-2008, 09:22 PM   #60
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What Jericho did get from it is that he was the big fish in that match. Also helped the match itself and everyone in it. He sorta headlined that match, whereas without him it would have been a tad less credible.
Again, I think him being the big deal of that match is a better showcase for him (not wrestling wise, but overall) than if he had just wrestled some grudge or midcard title match.
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Potentially stupid question. Did Jericho actually pitch the idea for MITB, or was it just said to be him in kayfabe? I know he invented it in kayfabe, but was it his idea IRL as well?
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Yeah jericho gained a lot from mitb actually, the fact that he beat cm punk on raw last monday also helps.
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To be fair, that hardly helps a man that has beaten top stars and been a champion. But, yes he does look strong lately save the Big Show thing. That's hopefully intentional, by having him beat CM Punk off the bat to make the rub mean more if they fued and CM Punk eventually goes over him.
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I'm all for utilizing Jericho as an IC champion who gets the occasional big win but mostly works programs to put over the young guys and get them some solid in ring work. Basically the same way Benoit was being utilized before he went all Jack Torrence.

He'll probably fued with Punk, MVP and Kennedy before the years out and be a go to guy for when the main event needs someone extra for a fresh title fued, or an elimination chamber. He'll prob get the world title once more before he hangs it up but I think he's more likely going to have the uppermidcard star/active trainer role that Benoit was in.
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True, but that can be said about a lot of wrestlers in a lot of matches. What would Jericho have gained from being in another IC title bout at Mania?
Nothing, but then again he shouldn't be fooling with that belt anyway...
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Is there anyone on the raw roster that could make the ic title look as strong as it does now other than jericho?
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that match hurt Jericho. you've got him out there jobbing to bunch of guys who have all failed to prove themselves. He unified the WCW and WWF titles, andyet who looses to that group of poeple. Definitly not gonna help him get back into the main event.
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Is there anyone on the raw roster that could make the ic title look as strong as it does now other than jericho?
It looks strong?
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I think this is the most off topic I've ever seen a wresling thread get.
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I actually don't get the dissapointment in Jerichos current capacity. As a Jericho fan, and a fan of future stars as opposed to current ones, I'm more excited to see him work fueds with the likes of Punk and MVP.
Matches and promos should be excellent. Yea, I'd mark out to see him be the center of the show and the champion but it's not gonna happen. He gets guarunteed tv time and entertains me the same regardless. And besides, it's cooler to see him working with young guys and having more open fueds with new challengers rather than facing HHH, Cena and Orton over and over again.
Also, I am fine with how his career has gone. It's been excellent.
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IMO yeh, after the way it was booked with jeff hardy, now jericho's probably about the best guy they could've given it to at the time.
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I think this is the most off topic I've ever seen a wresling thread get.

Much better thread than it would've been though.
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Is there anyone on the raw roster that could make the ic title look as strong as it does now other than jericho?
Like Des said, the IC title isn't strong. That's just how it is though. With that being said, it's looked the best it has in years and is in the best hands possible with Jericho and Jeff Hardy this past year.
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I think this is the most off topic I've ever seen a wresling thread get.

Much better thread than it would've been though.
Way to bury my thread
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Ok, lets say, stronger than it has been in previous years.
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Jericho/Punk fued for the IC title with Punk going over, followed by a move to Smackdown to fued with MVP after he drops the US title please.
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Not sure how i would feel about punk being the ic champ right now, maybe in a couple of months.
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the title has to be defend for it to look strong. having a semi-main event player hold it doesn't make it strong he actually has to have a good run. Jerichi damn sure aint done that yet. (Very well could, but he hasn't yet.)
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Actually the way he got himself dq'ued against big show makes it look a bit weak, forgot about that bit.
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