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Old 04-06-2008, 09:41 PM   #1
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I bet Bret could work a tag match. Easily.

He won't, because of his insurance payouts. But he easily could. He could work a tag match, in full ring gear, and never have to take a bump during the entire match. If he REALLY wanted to, he could.
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Old 04-06-2008, 09:48 PM   #2
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If Rock v Austin was capable of 2 million buys, it would have happened during their prime, when the WWF was on fire. If they ever were to reach those heights, WrestleMania x-Seven (the build up and card for which was tremendous) would have achieved it.
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Old 04-06-2008, 10:12 PM   #3
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HBK Taker would be amazing, total mark out moment. Could easily be a five star match because taker is wrestling better now than he ever has imo, and shawn always puts on a great match when the stakes are high. I wen't back and watched their hell in a cell and rumble match a few days ago, there is just something about it, these two fit eachother perfectly. The only thing i wouldn't like is that you know Taker would go over, and it seems like whenever hbk and another big name guy matchup on a big stage Shawn usually jobs, of course flair is an exception. Still this is probably the match i wan't to see more than anything else honestly.
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Old 04-06-2008, 10:15 PM   #4
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I'd be fine with Taker going over. It's HBK so you never know as a casual fan, and to fans who know Taker will win it doesn't matter because you get the match itself. HBK would have no reason to go over anyways. To me it'd be all about the match and not the winner
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I'd be fine with Taker going over. It's HBK so you never know as a casual fan, and to fans who know Taker will win it doesn't matter because you get the match itself. HBK would have no reason to go over anyways. To me it'd be all about the match and not the winner
yeah i agree, i'm just a huge shawn mark, and for some reason i'm tired of the streak. But yes this match would be out of this world and i really hope wwe goes for it.
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While it makes sense to match HBK vs Taker, the Mania streak is starting to become more of a hindrance than a draw as far as Taker's involvement at WrestleMania goes. You can telegraph the outcome without fail.

To continue interest in Taker at WrestleMania, they need to make people believe this could be the year Taker loses for the first time. The title matches worked for a couple of years, but there needs to be more at stake. To the point where people don't just think "there's no way Undertaker's losing" but the same can be said about his opponent too.

It may be too similar considering Ric Flair just retired, in a match involving Michaels no less, but if it was Career vs Streak, that would make things very interesting. Would work better with a younger top line guy like Trips or Cena though. The idea of Michaels retiring is a lot more believable than the other two.

Taker's next WrestleMania opponent must also be in a "must win" situation, where a loss is inconcievable. In fact, I'd go one better and say that the odds should be that Taker is seemingly definitely going to lose (because there is no way, say, Cena will be retiring), and hope that seeing the Streak end is a draw in itself, then maybe have him hold onto it in a dramatic bout (and have Cena- or whoever- come back in 6 months time like most wrestling retirements.)
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Old 04-06-2008, 11:17 PM   #7
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yeah something has to be done to spice up Taker at mania because even the casual fans i talk to they all say "you know taker is gonna win". i like the ritirement angle carl, but you gotta find the right guy for it and i dunno who that would be. I think it would have to be someone established and even then whomever that may be would have to be gone for a long period of time. Also even if they did go for that type of angle for mania 25 they would have to keep it up for 26 27.... or however long taker decides to go which isn't too much longer i would think.
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Old 04-06-2008, 11:20 PM   #8
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I disagree. I think in the past years they've done an excellent job at actually threatening to streak. I mean, most of his victories are over hosses that were just fed to him. But now that it's the home stretch they have to throw opponents at him that are at least remotely conceivable to break the streak. Orton was prob the first they did this with, since they've started to really ham up the streak. Henry was obv a throwaway.
Batista and Edge were excellent choices, because they actually had people going, myself included for a few moments there.
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Old 04-06-2008, 11:21 PM   #9
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But yea, they need to really throw the works at him in his final few outings. I think they'll probably have him face Mr. Wrestlemania next year, and then Cena the year after that. Both of which are fine choices to get people questioning whether or not it might end.
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yes orton did feel like a threat with the legend killer angle but still even he, bats, and edge to me and everyone i spoke with knew taker was taking it home. And you have to think with each year the streak goes on more and more people will become convinced that taker can't loose
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The match vs Batista was the most convincing so far (the Orton match was a great match, but I was never in any doubt about the result).

All I'm saying is, it doesn't matter WHO it is because 'Taker is a top guy who can feasibly be put over anyone on the roster without it hurting them, therefore it's hard to make people think that ANYONE can beat him at any given WrestleMania (whether they're thinking 'smart' or in kayfabe). There has to be something at stake; the title just isn't enough, so logically a guy putting his career on the line... a guy who is highly unlikely to retire and very worthy to the WWE... so people think "fuck, this year Undertaker HAS to lose!" and buy into the match more.

Edge did a great job this year, but there's nobody I can think of who can convince me that the streak is going to end. I only thought Batista had a chance because it seemed so 'typical WWE'. The only other guys who might have me second guessing are Cena and Triple H, for obvious reasons.
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Old 04-07-2008, 12:27 AM   #12
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They could really push Michaels as the guy to end the streak based on the momentum of having ended Flair's career the year before. Michaels, being on a roll of smashing streaks and records... last year he ended Flair's historic career, this year will he end Taker's historic streak?

There's a natural story there, but I still doubt I'd give him much of a chance of pulling it off.
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still no tag teams, still no mid-card title, still no push for Shelton Benjamin, feeding MVP to Taker = balls

Also, would this booking presume that Randy Orton wins the Royal Rumble? I thought Cena winning it this year was boring, but Orton winning it would be just that much worse.

Other than that, I enjoy.
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Instead of retirement, make it about the business itself. Have someone say that they are cretain, beyond the shadow of a doubt that he can defeat the Undertaker at WRestlemania and break the streak -- or he'll give up his opoorunity for title shot or ANY class for a year. A guy like Cena or Triple H saying that? That's a gamble. That would be a match in which I'd be interested.

Plus, with a stipulation like that, it gets rid of the recycled "I'm not afraid of you, but I'll run away when you come down the ramp," routine.
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Come on, Orton vs Cena vs HHH headlined the most bought WM ever. Somehow every year they keep going up. If they set a buys record with that, Rock Austin would out buy it. I dont know how they sell more now than during the attitude era, but the top draws then would draw more now. I know alot of fans that passed on this year, add Rock/Austin and I KNOW it would shatter the records.
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If Mania does big numbers this year its because of Mayweather-Show, the brand of Wrestlemania and possibly the Flair retirement angle. No way HHH vs Orton vs Cena would be the key factor to the huge number.

Anyway, I watched some of the TV leading up to Mania, and I almost think they were building towards another HHH vs Cena match. I'm thinking that could be a headlining match at Mania. I know it sounds old, but they only had the one singles match, and the crowd reaction when they are working is pretty decent. These predictions one year out almost never come true because there are so many factors, but I could see this one playing out.

Taker should get a big match as well. People were talking about how he was supposed to get a lengthy title run last year, maybe he gets a year plus run this year. I dont see anyone on SD who should beat him (except Edge), so maybe they go with HBK-Taker for the World Title.

Austin-Hogan would be a dream come true for Vince. Its possible with the trouble Hogan has found himself in that he might be more accepting of coming in to a match like this and putting over Austin with no fuss. But this is Hogan, so its doubtful.
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Clearly you haven't been to any live RAW or PPVs in the past couple of years, CyNick.

John Cena is like Hulk Hogan to kids these days. I know, it doesn't make any sense, he's a lame, wigger, Marine-respect-wannabe, who also happens to get crammed down our throat with that awful WWE Title he came out with on a regular basis, but for some reason, males between 5-15 love him. There is also that pocket of 15-25 year olds who like John Cena... probably virgins. And let's not forget the ugly, overweight 12-18 year old girls who also are in love with Johnny Cena.

I was at Mania, and I'd say about half of the merchandise being worn was John Cena stuff, and all of it was being worn by the people I just described. It's insane. I would not doubt that John Cena's name on the main event headline alone helped sell hundreds of thousands of PPV buys and tickets.
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Clearly you haven't been to any live RAW or PPVs in the past couple of years, CyNick.

John Cena is like Hulk Hogan to kids these days. I know, it doesn't make any sense, he's a lame, wigger, Marine-respect-wannabe, who also happens to get crammed down our throat with that awful WWE Title he came out with on a regular basis, but for some reason, males between 5-15 love him. There is also that pocket of 15-25 year olds who like John Cena... probably virgins. And let's not forget the ugly, overweight 12-18 year old girls who also are in love with Johnny Cena.

I was at Mania, and I'd say about half of the merchandise being worn was John Cena stuff, and all of it was being worn by the people I just described. It's insane. I would not doubt that John Cena's name on the main event headline alone helped sell hundreds of thousands of PPV buys and tickets.

Youre right, I havent been to a live event in over 3 years.

My point was just John Cena whether he was on the card or not, probably wouldnt have made a big difference. I think Cena is the biggest draw for the company. But the talk was about what would make this show do a better buy than last year's show.

IMO Cena vs Orton vs HHH is no different than HBK vs Cena from last year. If anything, I would say this year's match would have been less of a draw. I just feel any additional numbers they do beyond the number they did last year has to be credited to Show-Mayweather and all the mainstream press they got.

You just have to look at the posters and most of the promotional material to see this was the main event. I was at a movie theatre a few weeks before Mania, and they had a big poster with the two world title matches and the Mayweather-Show match. Mayweather and Show were front and centre and more prominantly featured. So that tells me Show-Mayweather should get credit for drawing anything north of 1.2 million buys.

That said, I think Cena is the biggest draw in the company by a landslide.
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Well now that he beat flair he's kind of the Heart ache kid.. A CHA CHA CHA CHA!

if he and mic foley had a match he could be the Hardcore Heart Ache Kid

And he could go by Hardcore Hak.....
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I see your point. It's funny to me though, because before No Way Out, I had no idea who Floyd Mayweather was.
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