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Old 04-28-2008, 03:59 PM   #41
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What about the Arena League?
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Old 04-28-2008, 04:32 PM   #42
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The guy who is talking about "rest stops"... come on.

The greatest thing about the NFL is how much strategy is involved, like Krispy said. There is so much thinking involved, it is like a huge chess game. Fucking best sporttttt
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Old 04-28-2008, 06:30 PM   #43
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Yeah I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, and I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying football is the most complex team sport on the planet. I challenge you to find a sport that has a bigger playbook, or requires more knowledge than that of an NFL team.
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Yeah I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, and I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying football is the most complex team sport on the planet. I challenge you to find a sport that has a bigger playbook, or requires more knowledge than that of an NFL team.
Is that supposed to make it the be all end all sport?
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Well, yes actually. Game...blouses.
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Yeah I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, and I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying football is the most complex team sport on the planet. I challenge you to find a sport that has a bigger playbook, or requires more knowledge than that of an NFL team.
who cares, it's all Chess. Most of the players don't have anything to do with it, it's all the coaches. That makes it boring as fuck to me.
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TBH I just think it shows that NFL players, coaches and teams cant react to the situation at speed. Gotta stop, have a thin, maybe jerk off a little then get a bright spark idea and run the play.

Whatever happened to think on your feet, get tired, exploit the oppositions mistakes. If I want chess I will go get a board and some little horses, if I want conctact sport I will watch rugby.
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well that's because you're an ignorant retard who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about

Every in game situation in football is entirely based on reactions. Every single tiny minute detail. If you weren't such a pathetic waste of life who would do the entire world a favor by hopping in a bath tub and cutting open some veins you would know that.
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Old 04-29-2008, 02:50 AM   #49
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Seriously, this thread should have died after the first post.
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well that's because you're an ignorant retard who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about

Every in game situation in football is entirely based on reactions. Every single tiny minute detail. If you weren't such a pathetic waste of life who would do the entire world a favor by hopping in a bath tub and cutting open some veins you would know that.
lol, flipped out lately?
Besides, it's the coaches that do the reacting, not the players.
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Old 04-29-2008, 03:43 AM   #51
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God we talk about this more than how you wipe your ass

and that is just not the kind of forum I want to post on
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Which begs the question; do you watch American football standing or sitting?
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well that's because you're an ignorant retard who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about

Every in game situation in football is entirely based on reactions. Every single tiny minute detail. If you weren't such a pathetic waste of life who would do the entire world a favor by hopping in a bath tub and cutting open some veins you would know that.

I have always wondered what its like to post looking for the reaction, there it is, semi fun I have to say.

Little bit of an over reaction, no?

And just while were at it I beleive the way NFL is played does show a distinct lack of ability by the players to think on the fly and run play after play after play as both Rugby and League do.
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Old 04-29-2008, 06:03 AM   #55
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But that way, the NFL would end up being played like Rugby and League which in turn would be boring, like Rugby and League.

Yeah it's an uninformed opinion with no fact or knowledge of said sports but it seems that's the pre-requisite for this argument
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But that way, the NFL would end up being played like Rugby and League which in turn would be boring, like Rugby and League.

Yeah it's an uninformed opinion with no fact or knowledge of said sports but it seems that's the pre-requisite for this argument
To be fair (and I can't believe I'm going to bother, but...) I don't know what your exposure to Rugby or League is over there, but we get shit loads of NFL here, during the season we can watch just about any game and many of them live. So some of the opinions here aren't all that uninformed.

Of course that being said, this thread is retarded - we did this shit back in '99. It was funny then, it's not now.
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lol, flipped out lately?
Besides, it's the coaches that do the reacting, not the players.
That's just simply not true. The coaches call the plays, but the players have to execute them. The defense has to react to what the offense is doing just like the offense has to react to what the defense is doing. You can run the same play 20 times and get 20 different results. You guys are acting like there's no human element involved in the actual competition.
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Rugby must be better, it has a world cup every 4 years.
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Didnt wanna say it but tbh at least we let other countrys play in our world champs too
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No other country could form a football team to beat an NFL team, so until then: :foc:

Besides, NFL champions are the Super Bowl Champions, not world champions technically.

Either way, I agree with Supreme, he is right. The coach may call the play, but each player has to execute the play meticulously in order to be successful. The whole game is reading and reacting to what the opposition is doing. If you think that NFL players are not able to think on the fly, you're just being a dumb ignorant cunt.
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Rugby is boring as hell..why was it even invented? Bunch of toothless wankers.

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No other country could form a football team to beat an NFL team, so until then: :foc:

Besides, NFL champions are the Super Bowl Champions, not world champions technically.

Either way, I agree with Supreme, he is right. The coach may call the play, but each player has to execute the play meticulously in order to be successful. The whole game is reading and reacting to what the opposition is doing. If you think that NFL players are not able to think on the fly, you're just being a dumb ignorant cunt.
Its always nice that you feel the need to resort to names.

That said, I have often heard the Superbowl Champions refered too as Champions of the world, much like Baseball and the world series.

And I will admit my ignorance of this but isnt there a lot of players in the NFL who could and do claim residential status in other countrys? I seem to remember a lot of islanders floating around in there. But I admit im not certain on that.

Also just to note NFL doesnt have a huge following anywhere else in the world too my knowledge, I know of the CFL and NFL Europe otherwise it only seems too be played in America.

But I am pretty damn sure somewhere else in the world could put a decent team together if the time and the money were dedicated too it. Just seems no one else cares enough too.
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Like most sports, the game has to be played your whole life to be able to compete at the professional level. Nobody could field a team of players with enough experience and knowledge of the game elsewhere in the world to beat an NFL team. It is an extremely complex game at the professional level.

I have played rugby. I think its a tough game in its own right, it is just different from football. They're both difficult sports respectively.
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Football is too complicated for the rest of the world.
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Like most sports, the game has to be played your whole life to be able to compete at the professional level. Nobody could field a team of players with enough experience and knowledge of the game elsewhere in the world to beat an NFL team. It is an extremely complex game at the professional level.

I have played rugby. I think its a tough game in its own right, it is just different from football. They're both difficult sports respectively.
That's not true. Football is actually one of the few sports that doesn't require you to play it your whole life to play it at the professional level. Why do you think they let guys like Justin Gatlin and Brock Lesnar try out for teams? I'm willing to bet that a good chunk of the players in the league didn't start playing until high school, or at the very least middle school.
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That's not true. Football is actually one of the few sports that doesn't require you to play it your whole life to play it at the professional level. Why do you think they let guys like Justin Gatlin and Brock Lesnar try out for teams? I'm willing to bet that a good chunk of the players in the league didn't start playing until high school, or at the very least middle school.
They may have tried out, but were they successful. The majority of players play all throughout high school at least, through college and into the NFL. I bet the percentage of players who start playing in college, or later on in life is small.
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As for the NFL and its plays being so complex: you know what else is complex? Algebra, yet I managed to pass that in the eighth grade. Let's face it, most of the guys playing in the NFL aren't winning Nobel Prizes. The plays may be complex to a certain degree, but using that as an argument is sugar coating the basic fundamentals of the game, which are throwing the ball to the guy who is open and running after the guy who has the ball. I mean, I love football, but it is getting kind of irritating that they are promoting the game to be something more than it is.

The main complaint that rookies have in transitioning to professional football is how fast the game is. However, I am sure the game thing can be said about the transitioning to any sport at the professional level. Here's the thing: rugby is a contact sport and football is a collision sport. Just leave it at that.
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I wish I could find the link to Al Saunder's playbook, which is over 400 pages deep. I think that disregarding the immense work that goes into studying the playbook, on top of the physical conditioning is a disservice to how much goes into the sport.
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Besides, some people have a knack for learning certain things. NFL players probably relate to the type of teaching and learning required to play in the NFL. The ones that don't won't succeed. I have a friend who is dumb as a brick, but he is a genius when it comes to framing houses. Its all about finding your niche.
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That's not true. Football is actually one of the few sports that doesn't require you to play it your whole life to play it at the professional level. Why do you think they let guys like Justin Gatlin and Brock Lesnar try out for teams? I'm willing to bet that a good chunk of the players in the league didn't start playing until high school, or at the very least middle school.
And they let Billy Crystal try out for the Yankees this season, so whats your fucking point?

Anyone can try out, its usually a way to get some press.

You cant just walk onto the field, that is why a kid could never walk from High school straight to the pros.

Basketaball, Hockey, Baseball and Soccer can all be owned by 19 year olds (and have been)

Football players struggle to make it after their whole lives and 4 years of college at the top level of play.
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All you have proven is the sport has as yet too have a prodigy?

Are you seriously telling me that no one fresh out of school has made a huge impact on the game?

I dont understand the whole draft thing too well tbh but usualy isnt there a lot of uproar over who will be the number one draft pick. and isnt that usualy somenoe fresh out of school?
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And they let Billy Crystal try out for the Yankees this season, so whats your fucking point?

Anyone can try out, its usually a way to get some press.

You cant just walk onto the field, that is why a kid could never walk from High school straight to the pros.

Basketaball, Hockey, Baseball and Soccer can all be owned by 19 year olds (and have been)

Football players struggle to make it after their whole lives and 4 years of college at the top level of play.
The only reason 'football' hasn't been 'owned' by a 19 year old yet is simply because they aren't allowed to without special academic shit (Amobi Okoye) If there was a way of getting some special looking players into college at an earlier age than 18 I'm sure we'd have seen some 18/19 year old guys tearing it up by now
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All you have proven is the sport has as yet too have a prodigy?

Are you seriously telling me that no one fresh out of school has made a huge impact on the game?

I dont understand the whole draft thing too well tbh but usualy isnt there a lot of uproar over who will be the number one draft pick. and isnt that usualy somenoe fresh out of school?
College, usually between 21 and 23.
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Look at Maurice Clarett at 19, tried to go pro, but couldnt.

2 years later he couldnt make a team. Do you really think he could have fallen off that much?

My Point is all NFL players are amazing in High School, but you cant make that jump, its the hardest sport to adjust to. It takes a few years to grow into college, and a few to adjust to the pros. No one could make that jump, because it is too hard. Its the only sport you cant make that jump.
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I dunno. If Okoye can do it, I'm sure others can. I think it depends on position. I couldn't see a 18 year old QB/RB and a bunch of others but I could see some corners, maybe a receiver, defensive lineman (dunno about ends), kick returners, kickers being good enough at that kind of age. College is a must though. No way could it happen straight out of school
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Also, lol @ Maurice Clarett. I'll never understand how some people can fuck up stuff so badly for themselves when they've got so much going for them
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Never in a million years could an 18 year old play qb. Too much knowledge/experience needed, way too much pressure.

I can see an 18 year old RB, but at the same time, most players arent done growing into their bodies at 18, and would lack the size. Alot of RBs and shit gain their muscle in college as it is their first time in a serious workout routine.
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