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Chris Benoit's murders (and suicide) 37 72.55%
Hulk Hogan being a complete self centered dick, and not jobbing to anyone. 14 27.45%
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Old 06-03-2008, 04:04 AM   #41
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Benoit.

To forgive I'd need to understand, and nothing will ever make me understand it. Hogan is a complete cunt, both in this business and his conduct (especially lately) out of it. But I can understand cunts. I don't understand someone who could murder their child.
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Old 06-03-2008, 04:46 AM   #42
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After further introspection, I think my opinion is closest to Noid's. There's too many variables to give this question a suffient answer.

(I did lean toward Hogan at first.)
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Old 06-03-2008, 04:46 AM   #43
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Rob, you've said some stupid shit during this argument.
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Old 06-03-2008, 05:25 AM   #44
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I only voted Hogan as a joke, as there is no way this can be a serious poll.
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Old 06-03-2008, 02:31 PM   #45
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Rob, you've said some stupid shit during this argument.
Like what? Murdering someone is worse than refusing to do a job? Yeah I agree it's stupid. Triple-H should be allowed to kill whoever the fuck he wants as long as he puts over Chris Jericho or Jeff Hardy.
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Old 06-03-2008, 02:49 PM   #46
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I only voted Hogan as a joke, as there is no way this can be a serious poll.
If it's not a joke, there's a serious problem.
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Old 06-03-2008, 06:44 PM   #47
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Benoit.

To forgive I'd need to understand, and nothing will ever make me understand it. Hogan is a complete cunt, both in this business and his conduct (especially lately) out of it. But I can understand cunts. I don't understand someone who could murder their child.
That's the point really. Nobody is saying "is double-murder-suicide worse than being a monumentally selfish prick bastard." The question boils down to who you can forgive. It's entirely possible, if not proven, that Benoit did what he did because of a physically traumatic career, marital difficulty, the loss of one of his best friends, the possibility of a child with a rare and emotionally taxing disease, and a demotion to ECW ( ). Tovo is damn right in this respect, none of us has ANY idea what that could be like, so I'm not about to say I can't forgive him.

Hulk Hogan on the other hand damages people's careers and liveliehoods, and suggested that the kid whose son his life destroyed deserved what he got.

I don't know if I can forgive Benoit. I do know I ain't forgiving Hogan. Hence, my vote.
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As an aside, I can see Benoit actually asking forgiveness if, you know, he weren't dead. Can you see Hogan ever repenting?
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Hey 9 people think refusing to do a job to Billy Kidman and Bret Hart is worse than killing a child. These are the people you are dealing with here brother.
I also would like to point out for the record that refusing to job to Kidman and Hart are, in my view, points FOR Hogan, not against him.
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Old 06-03-2008, 07:27 PM   #50
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How the fuck are there 12 votes for Hogan. COME ON.
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Old 06-03-2008, 07:33 PM   #51
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Everything is relative, and relativity is based on perception. That's why people choose (or vote for) the things they do.
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Old 06-03-2008, 07:36 PM   #52
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So Benoit is hiding out with Brian Pillman in the greatest worked-shoot in history?
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Old 06-03-2008, 07:39 PM   #53
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I'm just dumbfounded as to how this became a proper discussion.
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:26 PM   #56
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okay seriously. i don't give a fuck if chris benoit was insane when he killed his family. he was insane due to his own actions taken over the course of his wrestling career. he chose to live the life of a wrestler. he chose to take the drugs. he chose to work the hours. so to defend his actions as those of a madman is both retarded and pointless. IN THE END IT IS HIS FAULT.

and even so hogan not jobbing affected, what, the wrestling business? what is the wrestling business compared to human lives being taken? not shit. it's not shit compared to almost anything, but especially murder.
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okay seriously. i don't give a fuck if chris benoit was insane when he killed his family. he was insane due to his own actions taken over the course of his wrestling career. he chose to live the life of a wrestler. he chose to take the drugs. he chose to work the hours. so to defend his actions as those of a madman is both retarded and pointless. IN THE END IT IS HIS FAULT.

and even so hogan not jobbing affected, what, the wrestling business? what is the wrestling business compared to human lives being taken? not shit. it's not shit compared to almost anything, but especially murder.
This is, I think, where people tend to get the wrong idea. I'm not saying, nor have I ever said, that what happened was "o.k." All I"ve ever said was that he was clearly out of his head when he did it, because there was no reason to do it. When you take reason out of a situation, especially when people end up dead, it doesn't take a scholar to deduce that something is wrong.

What happened is, indeed, a terrible thing. If I had reason to believe he was aware of reality for the duration of the goings on, then sure, I'd be as angry and unrelenting as the next guy. But nothing about it leads me to think, as a logical person, that the murders make sense, so I have to conclude that he lost it. And when someone goes crazy, yes, they should be sent to an asylum, to be treated. Not to coddle them, but to try to figure out what's wrong and how, if possible, to fix it.

I know some of you don't like it, and don't give a shit about me or anything I say -- and really, you don't have to. But, to condemn a man for something that clearly has no logic or rationale applied to its happening, makes the same amount of sense. All "Hogan equality poll" jokes aside, it simply doesn't make sense.

Again, I'm not excusing what he did. But, if you'll accept a mild comparisson, it's kind of like when the church used to punish children for being left handed. Not everybody is wired the same, and to hate someone for something they can't help, is downright stupid.
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I only voted for Hogan because Hogan made me. He doesn't want to job to Benoit even in this poll.

Also, if people can claim that Benoit is "let-off" because he's crazy, how can you still vote for Hogan? I'd need reports proving he's not crazy.
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okay seriously. i don't give a fuck if chris benoit was insane when he killed his family. he was insane due to his own actions taken over the course of his wrestling career. he chose to live the life of a wrestler. he chose to take the drugs. he chose to work the hours. so to defend his actions as those of a madman is both retarded and pointless. IN THE END IT IS HIS FAULT.

and even so hogan not jobbing affected, what, the wrestling business? what is the wrestling business compared to human lives being taken? not shit. it's not shit compared to almost anything, but especially murder.
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Old 06-04-2008, 03:20 AM   #60
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Hulk Hogan on the other hand damages people's careers and liveliehoods, and suggested that the kid whose son his life destroyed deserved what he got.
You fucking idiot. There wouldn't even be the business like it is today without Hulk Hogan. Wrestlemania would have failed without him for a start and put WWF out of business. Hulk Hogan on top drew fucking insane money. What careers did he destroy? Look at every single wrestler in the WWF in 80's and early 90's. They made huge money because of Hulk Hogan. He always looked after his buddies too in the sense they always had jobs.
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You fucking idiot. There wouldn't even be the business like it is today without Hulk Hogan. Wrestlemania would have failed without him for a start and put WWF out of business. Hulk Hogan on top drew fucking insane money. What careers did he destroy? Look at every single wrestler in the WWF in 80's and early 90's. They made huge money because of Hulk Hogan. He always looked after his buddies too in the sense they always had jobs.
Don't bother Rob, I had a similar discussion about Hogan and at the end of the day Hogan is the anti-christ...apparently.
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Obviously all these people who voted for Hogan too would be pissed for life if he cost them £50 but if Chris Benoit killed their family they'd forgive him.
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I'd just like to know whose career he DESTROYED!!!
You're misquoting again just to maintain an argument. He said careers were damaged; he said a life was destroyed. So, either you're not paying attention to the conversation, or you want to be right, no matter what.
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afterlife you're missing the point
No, I get your point entirely. The problem with saying that losing his mind is his fault from drug use, trauma, etc., is that he didn't do any of it with that intention. Granted, with Rob's logic, I can only GUESS that he didn't want to go crazy, but it doesn't seem to be a realistic goal. Sure, things he did probably led to the breakdown at the end, but I don't see a serious hold in saying "he went crazy on purpose".
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lol it doesn't matter if it's what he wanted. he still did it to himself. and i never said it was on purpose. it was just the toll that his lifestyle took on him. to try and take that away and pretend like he was an innocent bystander in his mind's decay is ridiculous.
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But that makes out to say that everyone in the wrestling biz who ever took a performance enhancing drug will end up with a schizophrenic break in or around 20 years.

The guy had problems well before this episode. I'm not saying he handled them well. But going crazy isn't something anyone handles all that well -- it's fucking crazy.
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most of them overdosed before they had a chance to go crazy.

and that's not at all what i'm saying, but you can pretend like it is.
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lol it doesn't matter if it's what he wanted. he still did it to himself. and i never said it was on purpose. it was just the toll that his lifestyle took on him. to try and take that away and pretend like he was an innocent bystander in his mind's decay is ridiculous.
Do junkies go on killing sprees? Nope. They do more drugs than Chris Benoit did and their minds are more fucked. The stuff about his lifestyle is bullshit. No other wrestlers have killed their families.

There is ZERO proof his mind was fucked. ZERO.
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i'm not saying his mind was fucked. i'm just arguing the point that even if his mind was fucked for a lot of the reasons i've heard that doesn't give him an excuse.
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No, I get your point entirely. The problem with saying that losing his mind is his fault from drug use, trauma, etc., is that he didn't do any of it with that intention. Granted, with Rob's logic, I can only GUESS that he didn't want to go crazy, but it doesn't seem to be a realistic goal. Sure, things he did probably led to the breakdown at the end, but I don't see a serious hold in saying "he went crazy on purpose".
So if someone who was mental or out of their head on drugs killed your parents or your kids, you'd be able to forgive them right?
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i'm not saying his mind was fucked. i'm just arguing the point that even if his mind were fucked that doesn't give him an excuse.
Yeah sorry I know. Was meant to just follow on from your post.
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You don't know Benoit was mad. And I don't give a fuck if he was (which will never be proven and is only debated by people who want to believe he was), he killed 2 people. Bottom line.
BAH GAWD! INVERTED OCCAMS RAZOR!

Is that legal?

LET LOGIC BE DAMNED! ITS STILL REAL TO ME, DAMMIT!
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So if someone who was mental or out of their head on drugs killed your parents or your kids, you'd be able to forgive them right?
If a crazy person murdered my family, forgiveness wouldn't be a question. A drug frenzy is entirely different. You can kick a drug habbit, and drugs are something you take on purpose. You don't BUY madness.

You seem to think that forgiveness is something you only give to people who don't need it. That's fucking retarded. Yes, I would forgive a man who murdered my family. That doesn't mean I'd like the bastard. But forgiveness just means not holding a grudge; it has nothing to do with being friends.
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most of them overdosed before they had a chance to go crazy.

and that's not at all what i'm saying, but you can pretend like it is.
I'm not pretending anything.
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If a crazy person murdered my family, forgiveness wouldn't be a question. A drug frenzy is entirely different. You can kick a drug habbit, and drugs are something you take on purpose. You don't BUY madness.

You seem to think that forgiveness is something you only give to people who don't need it. That's fucking retarded. Yes, I would forgive a man who murdered my family. That doesn't mean I'd like the bastard. But forgiveness just means not holding a grudge; it has nothing to do with being friends.
Okay you'd forgive a murderer who killed your family.

We need a new poll - Is Afterlife a lying fuck?
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