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Old 06-18-2008, 09:51 AM   #41
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For the record, being very over right now doesn't change much, since Lit...Errr...Vicky is the one who seems to be gathering most of his heat for him.

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In terms of it being possible, not in terms of it being any good.
No, it really doesn't. Or, I should say, not in any meaningful sense. It doesn't change the fact that Vince thinks he's the man, that's he's the merch mover, or that he's considered the public face of WWE.

Trips' politicking is powerful, but you have to accept that there are some things he's not going to out-politic. and that's why he's been so "gracious" regarding Cena...Like any good sociopath.
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Old 06-18-2008, 04:25 PM   #42
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Trips' politicking is powerful, but you have to accept that there are some things he's not going to out-politic. and that's why he's been so "gracious" regarding Cena...Like any good sociopath.


I'll say one thing - my attitude is the same NOW as it was back in 2004 (i.e. when I used to debate back and forth with CyNick in regards to Triple H).

Yes, Triple H is a bastard.....but don't you dare point the finger at him. Triple H is simply a guy that is looking out for his best interests. Period.

If you want to point the finger at someone, point the finger at Vince McMahon and WWE management. THEY (and only THEY) are the ones that are responsible for Triple H's behavior...and other double standards. THEY are the ones that allow HIM to get away with it.

Triple H is not at fault here.
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Old 06-18-2008, 05:51 PM   #43
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Maybe you should have quoted someone who was blaming him here.
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Old 06-18-2008, 05:54 PM   #44
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Old 06-19-2008, 01:25 AM   #45
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You're aware that he's filming a movie at the moment, right?

It's not so much as they want to shift the focus from him (which they shouldn't) but he can't keep up a 100% full main event schedule AND film a movie at the same time.

I'm sure he'll be back at the very top by the beginning of the build to SummerSlam.
I was under the impression that Cena was cutting out house shows from his schedule to allow him not to miss any "crucial appearances" (TV and PPV). A 100% schedule would be impossible, yes, but The Undertaker never really works a 100% schedule anymore, and his standing with the company never really slipped.

You may be right, and Cena might get a sudden push back to the main focus of things, but I'm just saying it's not a lock -- especially given that a move to SmackDown! for Cena actually makes sense.
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Old 06-19-2008, 11:19 AM   #46
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Undertaker was never the face of the company, though. Not that he wasn't a big guy, but he was never a figurehead or PR guy like Cena is.

And yeah, the reason they cut down on his appearances, and likely the reason they reduced his focus on the show, is due to the movie being filmed right now.
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Old 06-19-2008, 04:10 PM   #47
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Another thing to consider with Cena is this: The guy still has a number of "high profile" matches left (matches of which MUST be given the center stage).

-Cena vs. Batista (although it should've happened 2-3 years ago).
-Cena vs. Undertaker (I still predict that this will be the main-event match for next year's Mania').

And of course, although it probably will never happen, Cena vs. The Rock (we and the WWE can keep wishing though ). Cena is still far and away the "top guy" for kids aged 12 and under, in terms of merchandising. For that reason alone, it would be a mistake on the WWE's part to move Cena to the 'B' show.

And if worse comes to worse, a Cena heel turn WOULD freshen his character significantly.

Bottom line: For better or for worse, Cena is still the WWE's #1 guy. As result of that, he should be on the #1 show.
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Old 06-19-2008, 05:01 PM   #48
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More importantly, Cena WILL be on the #1 show because of it.
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Old 06-19-2008, 05:12 PM   #49
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More importantly, Cena WILL be on the #1 show because of it.
Yep.

Because of that - I also think Batista will finally make the move back to RAW as well. Although it should have been done years ago, a Cena/Batista feud, if built up right, should create some interest.

Since both Cena and Undertaker have been made to look unbeatable these past few years, a feud between those two will also create lots of interest (although I don't think Cena/Taker necessarily have to be on the same show for their feud to take place).

Like I said before - I'm calling it. Cena vs. Taker at next year's Mania' (with Taker winning). Having said that - Cena WILL be the one to retire the Undertaker in my opinion (shortly after next year's Mania perhaps).
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Taker is NEVER losing at Mania.
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Agreed. I also don't think it would be a good idea if he did.

HOWEVER - Since Cena has been made to look like GOD the past few years, the fans need to atleast be made to believe that Taker *MIGHT* do the JOB.
Any other Taker match at Wrestlemania (outside of facing Cena) would be too obvious of an outcome for all/most fans.
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Old 06-19-2008, 08:13 PM   #52
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In a couple more years, it won't matter if he jobs at Mania or not.
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Old 06-19-2008, 08:27 PM   #53
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Agreed. I also don't think it would be a good idea if he did.

HOWEVER - Since Cena has been made to look like GOD the past few years, the fans need to atleast be made to believe that Taker *MIGHT* do the JOB.
Any other Taker match at Wrestlemania (outside of facing Cena) would be too obvious of an outcome for all/most fans.
I was almost convinced that Taker would finally lose to Trips at Mania 17 but that didn't happen, but yes Cena is the only logical guy to do it.
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Old 06-22-2008, 03:51 AM   #54
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Taker should definitely do the job at WrestleMania, if you ask me. It would be the best thing for business. I'm having a hard time picturing who could do it, though.

WrestleMania XXV seems like a fitting place for it to end. The silver anniversary of SmackDown!, in Taker's hometown. I'm still predicting The Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels at Mania next year. I think it would be a good match, and that the story heading into it could be incredible ("Ric Flair last year, The Undertaker this year"). I also think that if Taker were going to have the streak ended, Shawn Michaels would be a guy he would consider losing to, if simply for credibility reasons.

If John Cena had won the WWE Championship at WrestleMania this year (and I actually think he should have), then The Undertaker vs. John Cena would definitely be a money match at WrestleMania. Both men would have nice winning streaks at WrestleMania, and Cena ending Taker's, while already being shoved down our throats enough, would make him more legitimate, I think. It could have elevated him from being the forced Superman of this era into being the forced Superman of all eras. A heel Cena undefeated streak at WrestleMania would have been awesome stuff heading into an eventual Mania loss -- with Taker's streak dissolved into it, as well.

Now, I am thinking of young talent that could get a rub from Taker at WrestleMania. A lot of it is laughable stuff now, but Ken Doane, Ted DiBiase and DH Smith could swell up and become respectable challengers for Taker to face at future WrestleMania events. DH Smith ending the streak at a WrestleMania in England would be pretty huge, if unlikely. If Lance Cade does well with his current push, and stands out as a player in the RAW main event scene, Taker putting him over would be great. I believe Cade is 1-0 at Mania, and if he wrestles and is victorious at WrestleMania XXV, by WrestleMania XXVI, he could be 2-0 and a credible threat.
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Old 06-22-2008, 03:51 AM   #55
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None of that is very likely, of course, I am just riffing.
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1: Wasn't this Cena move already rumored when they first brought up this draft on WWE TV? I don't know, but I think people might be expecting this to happen with this draft. Only thing stopping it right now is if they wanted to continue the HHH/Cena feud (no clue about their plans on that). Either that, or MY prediction that either HHH or HBK will get shipped will also be happening (in this scenario, HHH would move too to continue their feud on SD). IMO, a HHH/HBK move would shake things up more than a Cena move because too many people in the IWC are in the know about this move beiing a possibility.

2: To whoever said something about Edge and Undertaket should be moved to RAW: It's not possible right now due to the latest angle. According to the reports, the Undertaker is set to be "crashing" the Vicky/Edge wedding, thus continuing the Edge/Taker feud and having another match at either the Bash or Summerslam. For this to happen, all parties need to remain on the same show (and there are ALOT of people involved in this angle). Unless the angle has been axed (and it would be a very weird move if it was). I'm not expecting Taker to go anywhere. The Bats thing I could see happening because of #3.

3: Noid, knowing how much SD has GOTTEN ass-raped on these drafts every year, I suspect Funaki main-eventing SD IS the WWE's goal.
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Old 06-23-2008, 09:17 AM   #57
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1. Yes, and it will be every year. Punk will always be in the doghouse, Steph will always be pregnant, and Cena will always be moving to Smackdown.

2. And with the brand split so rigidly defined, there's no way that could continue!

3. Nah. There will always be Undertaker....Until he breaks a hip again.
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The Undertaker/Edge feud needs to be over. When Taker returns, the lights need to go out during a RAW clusterfuck of a main event, and there needs to be Chokeslams and Tombstones for all. If anyone ruins the Edge/Vickie wedding, it should be either Chavo Guerrero, with an epic face turn, or Edge himself, revealing ultimate dickweed colors.
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Old 06-24-2008, 04:01 PM   #59
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The Undertaker/Edge feud needs to be over. When Taker returns, the lights need to go out during a RAW clusterfuck of a main event, and there needs to be Chokeslams and Tombstones for all. If anyone ruins the Edge/Vickie wedding, it should be either Chavo Guerrero, with an epic face turn, or Edge himself, revealing ultimate dickweed colors.
With Triple H on Smackdown now (providing the 'veteran leadership'), I also wouldn't mind seeing Taker be placed on RAW.

Taker vs. Cena would be pretty huge from the fans' point of view....since both men have been made to look unbeatable. The fans would crap all over Cena like there was no tommorrow! Bah gawd!

On the other hand - Taker vs. Jeff Hardy on Smackdown might be cool as well (as we saw back in 02').
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IMO the time passed years ago for Taker to lose at Mania. At this point, you know he's never leaving the WWE, so they might as well keep the streak alive as long as he's around.

Having a guy like HBK, who is already a legend, take the streak away would do nothing for HBK, and just hurt Taker.

If Taker retires with the streak in tact, they can bring him back from time to time with the streak on the line.

With HHH on SD (couldnt believe that) they can do HHH vs Taker, which was a great program back in the day. If Taker comes to RAW, then you get Taker vs HBK, which is also money.
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