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Old 09-17-2008, 09:58 AM   #1
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I'd say I'm with Noid on this one.

I don't even watch TNA regularly, but I'm pretty convinced I'm going to start to see how this turns out.
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Old 09-17-2008, 10:05 AM   #2
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I agree that Foley should be replacing Don West on commentary (again, a Mike Tenay and Mick Foley commentary team would drop some serious knowledge on your ass), but keep in mind this is TNA's self-appointed WrestleMania equivalent. They're going to throw out the big guns here. Mick Foley and Kurt Angle wrestling on PPV is a pretty big fucking deal to wrestling fans. It's a clash of styles which would reflect a car wreck of a match, but let's face it: Both Mick Foley and Kurt Angle are too smart and too good to get bogged down by that. I think we'll see them work this out to be the best showing between them possible.

Add in that they've got Samoa Joe defending the TNA World Heavyweight Championship against a man who has walked out of the last three or so Bound For Glory main events as a World Champion, in a precursor for the new age of wrestling versus disgruntled veterans looking for respect feud. Personally, I'm not too interested in Sting nor Samoa Joe at the moment, but this is it for TNA fans. It's also the most logical match they could do. I just hope they don't switch the belt off Joe, and instead have him look like a million dollars before the veterans realise that they might need to lay down some firm law outside of the ring to get some respect.

Taylor Wilde will also likely be defending the TNA Knockout Championship against Awesome Kong, which will be a great women's match with plenty of build. Again, I hope the belt stays where it is, but Kong might win it to secure her re-signing with the company now that her contract is allegedly up. AJ Styles and Frank Trigg should also have a blow-off to their feud that isn't contested under faulty MMA rules. I'm also feeling an Ultimate X Match pitting Sheik Abdul Bashir against Consequences Creed, Jay Lethal and Sonjay Dutt, while Petey Williams teams with that new referee with wrestling skills against The Rock and Rave Infection.

All over, I think it could be a pretty decent PPV.
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Old 09-17-2008, 10:30 AM   #3
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BTW, before you say anything else Noid, mainevents and title matches are different. The show's headliner is going to be Angle v Foley, not Joe v Sting.
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Old 09-17-2008, 10:39 AM   #4
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I agree with BigDaddyCool.

But I will be sure to check out this PPV, which will be the first time..... ever I will watch a TNA show with actual intent.
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:10 PM   #5
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:18 PM   #6
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I gotta agree fully with Noid and Rob here. What the fuck is wrong with you people? If this happened in WWE you'd all be cumming your pants.

I think it's great. And to be honest, what kind of wrestling fan doesn't?

Who knows how the matches are gonna turn out. I'd say good. Mick Foley had a fuckin CLASSIC with Orton a few years ago when nobody thought he could, and that was Orton, not Kurt Angle.

But the fued and promos are gonna be excellent. Mick Foley is a great assett to TNA. Not only professionally, but as a creative mind. They could use someone whos as talented as he is on both sides of the curtain.
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:34 PM   #7
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My point is that if I want to watch washed up WWE wrestlers have matches against each other, I'll watch WWE. I was under the impression that TNA was suppose to be the alterative, not just more of the same with less production value.
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:40 PM   #8
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My point is that if I want to watch washed up WWE wrestlers have matches against each other, I'll watch WWE. I was under the impression that TNA was suppose to be the alterative, not just more of the same with less production value.

I'm the last to defend TNA, but I'm not gonna be unfair. I'd like to see Foley and Angle fued for the first time on a wrestling program, no matter what the logo in the corner of the screen is.
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:41 PM   #9
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I'm the last to defend TNA, but I'm not gonna be unfair. I'd like to see Foley and Angle fued for the first time on a wrestling program, no matter what the logo in the corner of the screen is.
K, WWE already did it.
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:35 PM   #10
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:38 PM   #11
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Also, after Foley is done with the big debut payoff with Angle, he can move on to what he does best. Making others look good and putting them over. A fued with Mick Foley, where Foley is allowed to work his magic, will do more for Joe or any young guy in terms of making them look good then almost anything. That includes TNAs title or wins over stars. Just ask HHH and The Rock. They looked awkward with the title until their main event fueds with Foley.
Orton and Edge could also testify, as the two top heels in the WWE now.
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Also, after Foley is done with the big debut payoff with Angle, he can move on to what he does best. Making others look good and putting them over. A fued with Mick Foley, where Foley is allowed to work his magic, will do more for Joe or any young guy in terms of making them look good then almost anything. That includes TNAs title or wins over stars. Just ask HHH and The Rock. They looked awkward with the title until their main event fueds with Foley.
Orton and Edge could also testify, as the two top heels in the WWE now.
yea i want to see the foley abyss fued thats what i wish he started with that would be one of the best hardcore matches ever.
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:41 PM   #13
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You know what Jeritron, you are right, I'm not giving Foley a chance in TNA. They might be able to...no wait it is still TNA they will fuck it up.
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:44 PM   #14
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:44 PM   #15
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I don't really remember Foley and Angle's WWE feud. Could somebody refresh my memory?
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:46 PM   #16
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There wasn't one. Angle debuted and got pushed when Foley was fueding with HHH and "retired". He came back for the Mania 2000 match and retired til 2004, when he came back for a match against Orton, and then later one against Edge.
During this time Angle was on Smackdown, and they never even shared the same show, let alone the same screen/ring/ or any kind of fued/interaction.
He angle slammed him once in a segment, but that was to promote the new ECW and had no other implications.
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:47 PM   #17
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Really? I was sure they had some matches and were part of a fued with HHH, Angle, Steph, and Foley.
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Purely made up. If they had any matches they were tv throwaways or tags and not part of any series or fued. It also would have occured before Angle was a star. That's like saying The Rock and Shawn Michaels have had a fued. Or Hulk Hogan and Austin.
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Ok, well I stand corrected.

I am still believe that after this first time ever fued, TNA won't use Foley to get over new talent because of their past track record with legends putting over new talent.
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We'll see. He'll get more creative freedom of his own, that's for sure. SO maybe he can do things right where they'd fuck it up, or where they'd allow an idiot or politician to fuck things up over their own agenda, and not a good fued.
I'm not saying they won't, but it's not right to say they definitely will.
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Christian, Sting, Angle, Nash, and Booker T never put any new talent over besides Joe, and each one of them coming in has pushed AJ Styles further down the ladder by simply signing. It is hard to believe Foley is going to do anything different.

In fact Stiener is the only former World Champion that has given a rub to any TNA home grown talents.
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Christian, Sting, Angle, Nash, and Booker T never put any new talent over besides Joe, and each one of them coming in has pushed AJ Styles further down the ladder by simply signing. It is hard to believe Foley is going to do anything different.

In fact Stiener is the only former World Champion that has given a rub to any TNA home grown talents.
Kurt Angle put over Jay Lethal quite strong by dropping the TNA X-Division Championship to him cleanly. Then the writing team fucked it up by pushing Lethal solely as a joke.
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Mick Foley vs Kurt Angle in a fued interests me, let alone for the first time. As does the idea of Mick Foley in a new company.

That's really where I'm coming from. The rest remains to be seen, and I don't see it as anything worse than what WWE does.
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I don't see it as anything better than WWE, and WWE is sucking hard right now. If they actaully start trying to push new talent to the front by using these legends, I'll recant. but right now I just doubt they will. Can you blame me?
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I don't see it as anything better than WWE, and WWE is sucking hard right now. If they actaully start trying to push new talent to the front by using these legends, I'll recant. but right now I just doubt they will. Can you blame me?

I never said it is anything better than WWE. I'm simply saying it isn't anything worse.
I'm also not saying it will succeed or fail, as I'm not a soothsayer.
I don't see anything wrong with Mick Foley vs Kurt Angle here at all, and I certainly don't see how it's worse in TNA than in WWE.

I didn't know it was an issue of you caring about the TNA product, and this not being good for it. It seemed as though it was an issue of you thinking this concept in itself was stupid, or somehow worse than WWE.
But the bottom line either way is that it's perfectly sound.

You're condemning the idea, based mostly on the fact that it's occuring in TNA and not WWE.
I just don't see whats so bad about it at all thus far, and in fact, as a concept find it quite interesting and as fresh as anything involving attitude stars, since it hasn't ever occured.

I'm sure some of same people who think this is retarded, think WCW is retarded for not having "washed up WWE" talents Bret Hart and Hulk Hogan never fued for the first time in their promotion.
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And look how well hiring washed up WWE talent did for WCW.

I'm not saying it is bad for a promotion to land big names, but both TNA and WCW have a bad track record with doing that and I have a hard time believing they will do better. WWE has alway been going about making new stars, which is why they are still around.
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It put them on top for a while. It was the failure to push new talent when they got on top that caused their downfall. It was the use of washed up talent that put them in a position high enough so that they could crumble.

I'm not saying this will put TNA on top, but utilizing established talent from the other brand is important to get into a position.
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Really don't see how Ric Flair vs. HBK is a wet dream cum true omg mark out moment 4 lyfers....

and Kurt Angle, arguably the best wrestler in the past two decades, vs. Mick Foley, who carries an incredible reputation and is known for his ability to work with anyone and have a fantastic match, is "a stupid move by TNA."


You're all complaining about shit thats simply irrelevant. Yeah, TNA does use ex-WWE stars more than their home grown talent... they've been doing it for 2 fucking years now! So, you think that Foley is really going to HURT this product any more than it's already hurt? If anything he's going to breathe fresh air into it, because as I've said in the past, Foley in TNA just means new opportunities.

Foley vs. Angle is already going to happen, and should be fantastic. Then we have the prospects of Foley vs. Christian, Foley vs. Samoa Joe, Foley vs. AJ Styles. Even just those four feuds/matches are more than worth Foley going to TNA.

Also, Mick Foley is in the best shape of his life. Have you seen him recently, or did you miss it there beneath your rocks? He's easily 20-30 pounds lighter than he was back in the late 90's/early 2000, and his body isn't beaten and battered from the road. We know he can still go (vs. Orton in 04, vs. Edge in 06) and if anything he should be able to perform BETTER than he did in the past.

And for those who have called him a whore? You really think he's going to make more in TNA as a part-time performer than he was making in WWE as a full-time announcer? Don't be stupid. If anything he left WWE to join TNA for LESS money than before. If you know a whore with talent who operates like that let me know, cause that's fucking awesome. But seriously, explain to me logically how he is a whore in this scenario, when he's leaving the WWE to give the fans matches they haven't seen before in a promotion that, God knows, needs his help.

But that's just it, right? He LEFT the WWE! Your baby-boy promotion, right? He stabbed the flagship in the back and he's going to that stupid, shitty little promotion TNA.

It amazes me how many of you are still such fucking marks.
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If you know a whore with talent who operates like that let me know, cause that's fucking awesome. But seriously, explain to me logically how he is a whore in this scenario, when he's leaving the WWE to give the fans matches they haven't seen before in a promotion that, God knows, needs his help.

I thought the point was that we (or maybe it is just I?) don't like the fact Foley is actually wrestling time after retirement after retirement after time when you consider how badly his body has been 'banged up' that meant he was to retire. Nothing to do with money for me. I'd be happier if he stuck to commentating for more money, then put his body on the line for less. That's all there is to it.

Actually, one last thing:

Also, Mick Foley is in the best shape of his life. Have you seen him recently, or did you miss it there beneath your rocks? He's easily 20-30 pounds lighter than he was back in the late 90's/early 2000, and his body isn't beaten and battered from the road.

Okay, I cannot agree on that point. While he was commentating on Smackdown he looked more overweight. In the late 90s/early 2000 he was billed at 297 lbs. These days I reckon he is 20-30lbs more than then.

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I thought the point was that we (or maybe it is just I?) don't like the fact Foley is actually wrestling time after retirement after retirement after time when you consider how badly his body has been 'banged up' that meant he was to retire. Nothing to do with money for me. I'd be happier if he stuck to commentating for more money, then put his body on the line for less. That's all there is to it.
I didn't realize it hurt your personal morals and viewpoint to see someone come out of retirement to wrestle and entertain paying fans with fantastic promos and matches. Why does that make him a whore? Because he has loved professional wrestling since he was a child, became really fucking good at it, and can't seem to get it out of his system? Because he can't get AWESOMENESS out of his system? Yeah, that makes him a whore.... wait, what?

Now, I'll be the first to say that he and JR were the best commentating team I've heard since the original WCW trio (Heenan, Shiavone, Tenay), but the guy didn't like the job and he quit. That's his RIGHT to quit. We can't begrudge him that. I see nothing wrong with the fact that he wants to try and do something positive for another promotion.

But then again, I forgot your original point. He retired so he should stay retired. Right?

Rule #35 in Pro Wrestling: Retirement is only retirement if you die or are physically unable to compete. IE: Nobody Stays Retired.
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I didn't realize it hurt your personal morals and viewpoint to see someone come out of retirement to wrestle and entertain paying fans with fantastic promos and matches. Why does that make him a whore? Because he has loved professional wrestling since he was a child, became really fucking good at it, and can't seem to get it out of his system? Because he can't get AWESOMENESS out of his system? Yeah, that makes him a whore.... wait, what?
If any of that was actually going to happen, I'd agree, but it won't. See my above exchange with KK.

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The fact that you just invoked that announce team as the best anything robs you of all credibilty in my eyes. That team was Heenan and two jackasses. Foley and JR was an insightful commentator with great unpolished potential and a pathetic drooling shadow of a former self.

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Foley used to be in prettyy good shape. He wasn't ever going to win a bodybuilding competition, but really....
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KK is right.

Build and shape are different things.

Ultimate Warrior always was, and even still is, built better than Mick Foley or Samoa Joe.
However, even in his prime he would get blown up after 5 or so minutes.
This also applies to a lot of others in the industry.
Foley and Joe however, as well as others who look to be in worse shape are actually in better shape, and they can go for a while.
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Sounds interesting actually, but I probably won't pay for it. I've been burned too many times in the past paying for horrid Pay Per Views.

I'll surely give it a download though.
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I'd just like to add that in Foley's first book, when talking about his matches with Sting in WCW, he said that he would love to lock it up with him one more time before he hung up the boots. Looks like it might happen. Their Beach Blast match is still one of my favorites to this day. Truly an unsung match in WCW's history.
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Just read the Impact taping for next week and spoiler in black:

Angle will face Jarrett at PPV you will have to wait for Angle vs. Foley.
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Angle will face Jarrett at PPV you will have to wait for Angle vs. Foley.


This is not a good look for TNA.
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Fox, you realise I'm not the one calling him a 'whore'? In fact, I never once insulted Foley. I just said I'm disappointed in him coming back for more when he doesn't need to, and its not in his loved ones' best interests.

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but the guy didn't like the job and he quit. That's his RIGHT to quit. We can't begrudge him that.

Again, I didn't say that: I don't 'begrudge' him. However, I did say I really hate Vince if he is the major reason Foley quit (which is what I heard/read/whatever).

I think my thoughts are getting mixed up with those of BDC and a few others.
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