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Old 09-17-2008, 02:35 PM   #41
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:38 PM   #42
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Also, after Foley is done with the big debut payoff with Angle, he can move on to what he does best. Making others look good and putting them over. A fued with Mick Foley, where Foley is allowed to work his magic, will do more for Joe or any young guy in terms of making them look good then almost anything. That includes TNAs title or wins over stars. Just ask HHH and The Rock. They looked awkward with the title until their main event fueds with Foley.
Orton and Edge could also testify, as the two top heels in the WWE now.
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:40 PM   #43
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My point is that if I want to watch washed up WWE wrestlers have matches against each other, I'll watch WWE. I was under the impression that TNA was suppose to be the alterative, not just more of the same with less production value.

I'm the last to defend TNA, but I'm not gonna be unfair. I'd like to see Foley and Angle fued for the first time on a wrestling program, no matter what the logo in the corner of the screen is.
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:41 PM   #44
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You know what Jeritron, you are right, I'm not giving Foley a chance in TNA. They might be able to...no wait it is still TNA they will fuck it up.
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I'm the last to defend TNA, but I'm not gonna be unfair. I'd like to see Foley and Angle fued for the first time on a wrestling program, no matter what the logo in the corner of the screen is.
K, WWE already did it.
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I don't really remember Foley and Angle's WWE feud. Could somebody refresh my memory?
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There wasn't one. Angle debuted and got pushed when Foley was fueding with HHH and "retired". He came back for the Mania 2000 match and retired til 2004, when he came back for a match against Orton, and then later one against Edge.
During this time Angle was on Smackdown, and they never even shared the same show, let alone the same screen/ring/ or any kind of fued/interaction.
He angle slammed him once in a segment, but that was to promote the new ECW and had no other implications.
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Really? I was sure they had some matches and were part of a fued with HHH, Angle, Steph, and Foley.
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Purely made up. If they had any matches they were tv throwaways or tags and not part of any series or fued. It also would have occured before Angle was a star. That's like saying The Rock and Shawn Michaels have had a fued. Or Hulk Hogan and Austin.
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Ok, well I stand corrected.

I am still believe that after this first time ever fued, TNA won't use Foley to get over new talent because of their past track record with legends putting over new talent.
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We'll see. He'll get more creative freedom of his own, that's for sure. SO maybe he can do things right where they'd fuck it up, or where they'd allow an idiot or politician to fuck things up over their own agenda, and not a good fued.
I'm not saying they won't, but it's not right to say they definitely will.
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Christian, Sting, Angle, Nash, and Booker T never put any new talent over besides Joe, and each one of them coming in has pushed AJ Styles further down the ladder by simply signing. It is hard to believe Foley is going to do anything different.

In fact Stiener is the only former World Champion that has given a rub to any TNA home grown talents.
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Mick Foley vs Kurt Angle in a fued interests me, let alone for the first time. As does the idea of Mick Foley in a new company.

That's really where I'm coming from. The rest remains to be seen, and I don't see it as anything worse than what WWE does.
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I don't see it as anything better than WWE, and WWE is sucking hard right now. If they actaully start trying to push new talent to the front by using these legends, I'll recant. but right now I just doubt they will. Can you blame me?
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I don't see it as anything better than WWE, and WWE is sucking hard right now. If they actaully start trying to push new talent to the front by using these legends, I'll recant. but right now I just doubt they will. Can you blame me?

I never said it is anything better than WWE. I'm simply saying it isn't anything worse.
I'm also not saying it will succeed or fail, as I'm not a soothsayer.
I don't see anything wrong with Mick Foley vs Kurt Angle here at all, and I certainly don't see how it's worse in TNA than in WWE.

I didn't know it was an issue of you caring about the TNA product, and this not being good for it. It seemed as though it was an issue of you thinking this concept in itself was stupid, or somehow worse than WWE.
But the bottom line either way is that it's perfectly sound.

You're condemning the idea, based mostly on the fact that it's occuring in TNA and not WWE.
I just don't see whats so bad about it at all thus far, and in fact, as a concept find it quite interesting and as fresh as anything involving attitude stars, since it hasn't ever occured.

I'm sure some of same people who think this is retarded, think WCW is retarded for not having "washed up WWE" talents Bret Hart and Hulk Hogan never fued for the first time in their promotion.
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Old 09-17-2008, 03:47 PM   #57
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And look how well hiring washed up WWE talent did for WCW.

I'm not saying it is bad for a promotion to land big names, but both TNA and WCW have a bad track record with doing that and I have a hard time believing they will do better. WWE has alway been going about making new stars, which is why they are still around.
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It put them on top for a while. It was the failure to push new talent when they got on top that caused their downfall. It was the use of washed up talent that put them in a position high enough so that they could crumble.

I'm not saying this will put TNA on top, but utilizing established talent from the other brand is important to get into a position.
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Never said anything about Sting.

I fail to see how that's relevant. God, you are retarded.
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Really don't see how Ric Flair vs. HBK is a wet dream cum true omg mark out moment 4 lyfers....

and Kurt Angle, arguably the best wrestler in the past two decades, vs. Mick Foley, who carries an incredible reputation and is known for his ability to work with anyone and have a fantastic match, is "a stupid move by TNA."


You're all complaining about shit thats simply irrelevant. Yeah, TNA does use ex-WWE stars more than their home grown talent... they've been doing it for 2 fucking years now! So, you think that Foley is really going to HURT this product any more than it's already hurt? If anything he's going to breathe fresh air into it, because as I've said in the past, Foley in TNA just means new opportunities.

Foley vs. Angle is already going to happen, and should be fantastic. Then we have the prospects of Foley vs. Christian, Foley vs. Samoa Joe, Foley vs. AJ Styles. Even just those four feuds/matches are more than worth Foley going to TNA.

Also, Mick Foley is in the best shape of his life. Have you seen him recently, or did you miss it there beneath your rocks? He's easily 20-30 pounds lighter than he was back in the late 90's/early 2000, and his body isn't beaten and battered from the road. We know he can still go (vs. Orton in 04, vs. Edge in 06) and if anything he should be able to perform BETTER than he did in the past.

And for those who have called him a whore? You really think he's going to make more in TNA as a part-time performer than he was making in WWE as a full-time announcer? Don't be stupid. If anything he left WWE to join TNA for LESS money than before. If you know a whore with talent who operates like that let me know, cause that's fucking awesome. But seriously, explain to me logically how he is a whore in this scenario, when he's leaving the WWE to give the fans matches they haven't seen before in a promotion that, God knows, needs his help.

But that's just it, right? He LEFT the WWE! Your baby-boy promotion, right? He stabbed the flagship in the back and he's going to that stupid, shitty little promotion TNA.

It amazes me how many of you are still such fucking marks.
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Also, after Foley is done with the big debut payoff with Angle, he can move on to what he does best. Making others look good and putting them over. A fued with Mick Foley, where Foley is allowed to work his magic, will do more for Joe or any young guy in terms of making them look good then almost anything. That includes TNAs title or wins over stars. Just ask HHH and The Rock. They looked awkward with the title until their main event fueds with Foley.
Orton and Edge could also testify, as the two top heels in the WWE now.
yea i want to see the foley abyss fued thats what i wish he started with that would be one of the best hardcore matches ever.
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If you know a whore with talent who operates like that let me know, cause that's fucking awesome. But seriously, explain to me logically how he is a whore in this scenario, when he's leaving the WWE to give the fans matches they haven't seen before in a promotion that, God knows, needs his help.

I thought the point was that we (or maybe it is just I?) don't like the fact Foley is actually wrestling time after retirement after retirement after time when you consider how badly his body has been 'banged up' that meant he was to retire. Nothing to do with money for me. I'd be happier if he stuck to commentating for more money, then put his body on the line for less. That's all there is to it.

Actually, one last thing:

Also, Mick Foley is in the best shape of his life. Have you seen him recently, or did you miss it there beneath your rocks? He's easily 20-30 pounds lighter than he was back in the late 90's/early 2000, and his body isn't beaten and battered from the road.

Okay, I cannot agree on that point. While he was commentating on Smackdown he looked more overweight. In the late 90s/early 2000 he was billed at 297 lbs. These days I reckon he is 20-30lbs more than then.

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Foley used to be in prettyy good shape. He wasn't ever going to win a bodybuilding competition, but really....
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KK is right.

Build and shape are different things.

Ultimate Warrior always was, and even still is, built better than Mick Foley or Samoa Joe.
However, even in his prime he would get blown up after 5 or so minutes.
This also applies to a lot of others in the industry.
Foley and Joe however, as well as others who look to be in worse shape are actually in better shape, and they can go for a while.
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Sounds interesting actually, but I probably won't pay for it. I've been burned too many times in the past paying for horrid Pay Per Views.

I'll surely give it a download though.
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I'd just like to add that in Foley's first book, when talking about his matches with Sting in WCW, he said that he would love to lock it up with him one more time before he hung up the boots. Looks like it might happen. Their Beach Blast match is still one of my favorites to this day. Truly an unsung match in WCW's history.
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I thought the point was that we (or maybe it is just I?) don't like the fact Foley is actually wrestling time after retirement after retirement after time when you consider how badly his body has been 'banged up' that meant he was to retire. Nothing to do with money for me. I'd be happier if he stuck to commentating for more money, then put his body on the line for less. That's all there is to it.
I didn't realize it hurt your personal morals and viewpoint to see someone come out of retirement to wrestle and entertain paying fans with fantastic promos and matches. Why does that make him a whore? Because he has loved professional wrestling since he was a child, became really fucking good at it, and can't seem to get it out of his system? Because he can't get AWESOMENESS out of his system? Yeah, that makes him a whore.... wait, what?

Now, I'll be the first to say that he and JR were the best commentating team I've heard since the original WCW trio (Heenan, Shiavone, Tenay), but the guy didn't like the job and he quit. That's his RIGHT to quit. We can't begrudge him that. I see nothing wrong with the fact that he wants to try and do something positive for another promotion.

But then again, I forgot your original point. He retired so he should stay retired. Right?

Rule #35 in Pro Wrestling: Retirement is only retirement if you die or are physically unable to compete. IE: Nobody Stays Retired.
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Foley, you fucking whore. Fuck you, you fat sack of crap.
And his little dog too.
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I don't really care what could be done with this or what will be done with it, the fact is that TNA's bulbous gut of McMahon droppings is going to choke any potential TNA may ever have had. I never minded having a few established guys around to build new guys with... but they're going total WCW now with it, they've had Angle, Christian, and Booker T and done NOTHING with their unique talents. And before you contradict me, I beieve that Styles and the Samoan Corndog Machine were doing fairly well for themselves before any of those guys showed up, and AJ went from being a credible little-man phenom to being a goofy sidekick in Angle's shadow.
I am firmly in the camp that wants TNA as a viable competitor that might actually inspire WWE to turn up the quality a bit, and that's not going to happen while TNA is more adequately referred to as WCW2K8. Once again, I have to invoke the name of the Lord himself: Kevin Nash has done far more in the name of putting over fresh up-and-comers without leeching their spotlight from them.

If TNA ends up cumming all over Ric Flair's retirement by putting him in any sort of match, I will nev... wait, I was going to say I'll never watch TNA again, but shit, I'm not watching NOW, so...
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I don't really care what could be done with this or what will be done with it, the fact is that TNA's bulbous gut of McMahon droppings is going to choke any potential TNA may ever have had.
Any claim otherwise is effectively saying "but if you ignore the past and present and completely disregard all probability...."
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Because you hate the fact another wrestling company might put on a match that you want to see?
Or because no matter how much WWE sucks TNA will always be worse, moron.
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Any claim otherwise is effectively saying "but if you ignore the past and present and completely disregard all probability...."
So, wait... you're saying that it's easier to believe that what has happened will happen again, than it is to believe that what has not yet happened, somehow happen?

Get away from me with your Tom Cruise Scientology thinkin.
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I didn't realize it hurt your personal morals and viewpoint to see someone come out of retirement to wrestle and entertain paying fans with fantastic promos and matches. Why does that make him a whore? Because he has loved professional wrestling since he was a child, became really fucking good at it, and can't seem to get it out of his system? Because he can't get AWESOMENESS out of his system? Yeah, that makes him a whore.... wait, what?
If any of that was actually going to happen, I'd agree, but it won't. See my above exchange with KK.

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The fact that you just invoked that announce team as the best anything robs you of all credibilty in my eyes. That team was Heenan and two jackasses. Foley and JR was an insightful commentator with great unpolished potential and a pathetic drooling shadow of a former self.

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Hulk Hogan has been physically unable to compete since 1994, but it hasn't stopped him, has it? HAS IT?!
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Just read the Impact taping for next week and spoiler in black:

Angle will face Jarrett at PPV you will have to wait for Angle vs. Foley.
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Fox, you realise I'm not the one calling him a 'whore'? In fact, I never once insulted Foley. I just said I'm disappointed in him coming back for more when he doesn't need to, and its not in his loved ones' best interests.

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but the guy didn't like the job and he quit. That's his RIGHT to quit. We can't begrudge him that.

Again, I didn't say that: I don't 'begrudge' him. However, I did say I really hate Vince if he is the major reason Foley quit (which is what I heard/read/whatever).

I think my thoughts are getting mixed up with those of BDC and a few others.
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Foley is a good talker and was a good worker. I didn't mind him as commentator, infact he was good. As far as working, home boy should be retired and stay retired. Plus, it isn't like Foley in his prime, never faced Angle in his prime.



Yeah, I know Joe and Sting were never in WWE, didn't say they were. I said that were paying lip service to TNA's home grown talent in reference to Jarrett saying that Samoa Joe and AJ Styles were carrying this company, and that they were carrying the company before the Kurt Angle's and Sting's came to the promotion. So infact I had already adressed Joe as being homegrown. As for Sting, he is a WCW guy, and you can't say he is TNA homegrown either. The point was, they are saying AJ and Joe have been carrying TNA only to give the Mainevent slot to Foley and Angle.
How the fuck do you know the main event slot would have gone to Foley and Angle? Every year the TNA World Title match has closed the show, even when Rhino was fucking challenging for it. Seriously, fuck you, BDC.
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I maintain that the real problem with TNA is the writing. Not the older talent, but rather Vince Russo sitting in the back with Dutch Mantel following his every move. Angle has been willing to put stars over, Booker T was looking forward to it, and really, Christian's whole purpose of going over to TNA was so he could be the star he knew he could be (for once).

Mick Foley WILL put stars over. When has he not? Now the match is Kurt Angle vs. Jeff Jarrett again, so you can all be happy. Wait, that awfully untalented Kurt Angle is in the match. God forbid we watch that one.

Now we may get Mick Foley doing commentary for the PPV, which would rule.
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