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Old 12-21-2008, 03:10 AM   #41
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I think a lot has to do with whether or not you're a face or a heel when they're determining the "unbreakability" of your submission. If a face locks in a submission, a lot of the time it's over, but if a heel locks it in then part of the key moments of the match is watching the face break the thing. I wonder if we would still be looking back at the Sharpshooter the same way if Bret had been a face in the early 90's.
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Old 12-21-2008, 03:11 AM   #42
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I see where you're coming from but I was much more fond of the bowflex smash and the bible buster.
Yeah, too bad they were one night only finishers.
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Old 12-21-2008, 03:12 AM   #43
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Crossface to a similar extent too. Benoit locking that madness out of nowhere was awesome and for awhile, you knew that it usually meant the end of the match was coming.

Poor Jericho and his Walls of Jericho though, that thing is booked like shit. I can't remember the last time he won with that. Was awesome though the other night when he locked it on Cena at the end of the show and wouldn't let go.
I loved The Rocks sharpshooter, I dont recall him winning with it, but I still loved it.
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Old 12-21-2008, 03:31 AM   #44
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The Rock's Sharpshooter was the worst execution of the Sharpshooter I've ever seen.

It was BAD.
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Old 12-21-2008, 03:36 AM   #45
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Submission moves should logically be death in No Disqualification Matches. There's no way a good one should ever be broken, because if a guy gets to the ropes, what's going to happen?
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Old 12-21-2008, 03:39 AM   #46
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Submission moves should logically be death in No Disqualification Matches. There's no way a good one should ever be broken, because if a guy gets to the ropes, what's going to happen?
True, then again the ropes can be used to help escape.
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Old 12-21-2008, 03:40 AM   #47
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In wrestling canon. Realistically, holding onto the ropes wouldn't actually help escape from most moves.
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I could see a Steel Cage Match between John Cena and Chris Jericho, where Jericho had Cena in the Walls of Jericho. Cena gets to the ropes, but Jericho doesn't break. He pulls him back into the center of the ring, and Cena crawls to the the door, pulls himself through the ropes, breaking the hold, and escapes through the door.
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Old 12-21-2008, 03:54 AM   #49
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I could see a Steel Cage Match between John Cena and Chris Jericho, where Jericho had Cena in the Walls of Jericho. Cena gets to the ropes, but Jericho doesn't break. He pulls him back into the center of the ring, and Cena crawls to the the door, pulls himself through the ropes, breaking the hold, and escapes through the door.
I could see John Cena melting into liquid like Alex Mackk to get out of the move, and then turning Chris Jericho into a frog with his powers. You can thank booking for that phenomenon as much as the success of the sharpshooter.
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Old 12-21-2008, 03:55 AM   #50
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Old 12-21-2008, 12:15 PM   #52
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I love Edge to death, but the spear really doesn't work for me. I like it as a move, but not as a finisher. He just doesn't have the force behind it that Goldberg or Rhyno do.
The twist of fate is a stupid fuckin neck breaker, even though I like the guys delivering it.
Jericho should stick to the liontamer, the codebreaker never really did much for me and I don't think it did for the crowd either.
I think the commonality here is that they're all moves that are great--But should not be finishers in themselves. The codebreaker is pretty cool, but works better as a set-up to the Walls. Or even the Lionsault (God, I miss that move).

Twist of Fate works better as a means to set up another move, too. Like the Senton/Swanton/Kenton/Wanton....Or whatever.

Edge's spear looks bad because it lacks the apparent momentum, but I'd still buy it if it wasn't a finisher of itself. That's a move that'll knock the wind out of you performed by anyone short of Mysterio/'Swog. That's not automatically enough to be bought as a finisher, but it sure could set up dozens of finishing moves.
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Old 12-21-2008, 02:27 PM   #53
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I, too, miss the Lionsault. When Jericho hit it on Mark Henry weeks back, I was hoping he'd pick up a random pinfall with it -- but no.

Jeritron, you need instant rep for an Alex Mack reference.
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Old 12-22-2008, 06:34 PM   #54
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Old 12-22-2008, 06:38 PM   #55
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Here's the best finisher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4O7qlyZlWc

However, it didn't end the match here.
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Old 12-22-2008, 06:42 PM   #56
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Old 12-22-2008, 06:50 PM   #58
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I could see John Cena melting into liquid like Alex Mackk to get out of the move, and then turning Chris Jericho into a frog with his powers. You can thank booking for that phenomenon as much as the success of the sharpshooter.
+rep just for someone else remembering Alex Mack.

Anywho, my personal favorite finishers were the ones that could be hit from just about anywhere: DDP's Diamond Cutter, Benoit's Crossface, Rey Jr's hurricanranas back in WCW, etc. It always heightened the tension of a match when you knew (in kayfabe at least) it could be over at any second.
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