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Old 01-08-2009, 06:45 PM   #41
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Yes, they had the same audience. One which was lagging behind WWE to begin with, and dwindled with the disillusionment as WCW became the second rate WWE rip-off cartoon show in the early 90s.

They beat WWE in the ratings by increasing their audience, not maintaining it. They proved it was achievable, theoretically anybody could do the same.

Now, TNA can never become the cash cow global powerhouse WWE is over a matter of months or even a few years, but I'm sure that they could beat them domestically. I don't think they actually will, I'm not confident they have the vision or knowledge, but they theoretically could because it isn't impossible. Implausible but not impossible.
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Old 01-08-2009, 07:02 PM   #42
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I'm not sure what we're arguing. I'm arguing that WCW had an advanatge (a larger audience than TNA has now,) while neither TNA or RoH have this, and thus, it's mch less likely for them to "spring up" anytime soon.

Is your argument that it's possible for them to one day pass the WWE? If so, yeah, I agree.
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Old 01-08-2009, 07:06 PM   #43
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Man, this place sometimes. You guys are seriously arguing about who is bigger between TNA and ROH in a thread about ROH getting a TV offer? Fuck around. And if you win the argument, which you won't, because people almost NEVER back down over petty bullshit, will it really mean anything?


Aaaaaanyways - good for ROH. And I'm pretty sure that they owe Darren Aronofsky for this due to being promoted in his already highly acclaimed movie.
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I didn't see anyone arguing who's bigger between TNA and RoH. But other than that you're right.
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Did WCW really have a larger audience in, say, 1993 than TNA does comparitively today, taking into account the overall lower average viewing figures in today's television marketplace? Does WWE have that much of a bigger lead over TNA than it did over WCW? (Ratings wise, there's no question that by simply turning a profit TNA is in a stronger financial position than WCW was up until around 1997... not counting the big Turner wallet, just the finances of the company itself).

I'm not saying it doesn't, I don't have those figures, it would be interesting to compare them by today's standards and know for sure. I'm too lazy to do it, though.
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As far as I know, yeah WCW started with hogher viewership. Though I would have no idea ow do back that up.
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Just throwing this out, if ROH gets a TV deal - I would expect them to be out of business within a year. Their promotion is not formulated or a television format, and if they try to change it, there base (dvd sales) will be gone.
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Just throwing this out, if ROH gets a TV deal - I would expect them to be out of business within a year. Their promotion is not formulated or a television format, and if they try to change it, there base (dvd sales) will be gone.
It's not a national deal (I don't get it, anyway). Unless it's a major network with a large blanket of coverage, DVD sales should be fine, assuming they don't penetrate the big wrestling markets.
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Maybe the movie 'The Wrestler' had something to do with this?
I definitely think it would have helped. As the movie continues to garner praise, ROH would best play up their connection to the movie as the "artistic" brand of wrestling.

Hell, if they can get Mickey Rourke to make an appearance on their show, they've already gotten a bigger celebrity than almost anyone ever involved with the WWE.

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Think of all the other companies that are fighting to get on the map brother. Just because you can't see them doens't mean they aren't there. RoH is accomplishing something. Acting like being no.3 ins't an accomplishment is foolish.
Very true. ROH has taken baby steps, and really grown as a promotion. They've always been smart about expanding, and they took their time getting a PPV deal and have since spent a lot of money on production to get them looking far less like an independent fed (although that is a part of their charm). I hope they don't rush into the first television offer they get, just because it's on the table.

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Hmmm, I'd like to see a territory called NWA Parts Unknown, though.

How could they advertise the show venues though? How would you know how to get there?

And Bowfinger is on the TV, Heather Graham is fucking lovely.

I might drink now.

I love you, Carl, but it sounds like you've already started.

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There are a few promotions that I'm sure could overtake ROH within a year. You can't say the same about ROH to TNA or TNA to WWE.

It's nothing when it's a situation like that. When ROH is pulling down TNA-like ratings on national TV and running monthly PPVs, we can talk. Until then, ROH is nothing in terms of its success vs the big two.

For the record, I'm not saying ROH ISN'T successful compared to other indy promotions, just that the gap isn't nearly as steep.
See, I'm not sure I agree. ROH is far and away the biggest independent company in the world. It's really got its shit together. They have a PPV deal, and just bought some hi-tech new equipment to increase production values. While a lot of independent promotions are shrinking and cutting back shows, ROH is one that is growing. I mean, who do you really see overtaking them?

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Just throwing this out, if ROH gets a TV deal - I would expect them to be out of business within a year. Their promotion is not formulated or a television format, and if they try to change it, there base (dvd sales) will be gone.
A one-hour show does seem very condensed for a ROH show. A two-hour television spot would be much better for them.
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Just throwing this out, if ROH gets a TV deal - I would expect them to be out of business within a year. Their promotion is not formulated or a television format, and if they try to change it, there base (dvd sales) will be gone.
That's the reason they droppoed Gabe. In the past few months they have been re-working ow they book to create a more TV friendly product.
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Old 01-09-2009, 10:59 AM   #52
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Good for them. TNA showed how quickly you can rise up the wrestling ladder, ROH have been around roughly the same amount of time and seem to be working towards a national level. It's interesting that they both emerged from the ashes of the last wrestling boom and could potentially be involved in the next boom.
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Old 01-09-2009, 12:01 PM   #53
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BTW, I would love to see RoH on tv, and give TNA a run for their money. I just like saying they are defacto #3 because certain people get all pissy.
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Old 01-09-2009, 12:11 PM   #54
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If, and it's a big IF, ROH can run decent tv/fan friendly storylines, without sinking to the entertainment crap TNA has, they might last on TV. If they go too far into the entertainment stuff, they could very well lose a chunk of their fanbase, and if they don't make that chunk up with new fans, they'd be screwed.

Also, I think some of the contracts that were signed are up in the summer, so hopefully no one gets picked off by TNA or WWE... Although the only person I really see the WWE trying to take would be Nigel.

I'm also really curious how there schedule will be affected if they do take a tv deal (since they'll need to use shows to tape for tv, and they'll want to put big matches on tv, so how will that affect there dvd sales?)

I also hope they don't do the old Fox Sports thing and show like an hour of a show, then the next hour the next week, etc, basically to slowly run through their dvds on tv.
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If they run basic story lines I think they could do well.
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I also think that if they do take a tv deal, they should really consider bringing back a secondary title... Yeah, they have their World Title and the Tag belts, but a second single title would be good, as it would instantly make feuds/stories. Plus, it would put more focus on matches that would be good, but don't really have a storyline behind them.
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They've needed a secondary title since 2004 at least.
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The latest details on the proposed HDNet/Ring of Honor TV deal is that the show would have a Saturday night time slot, and it is believed that HDNet would cover the production costs for the show. [Credit: Pwinsider.com]
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Well, they had the Pure Title until they got rid of it. Since then, the FIP and NWA titles have masqueraded as secondary titles, but they're gone now it looks like.
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Whatever the case, '09 should be an interesting year for RoH. First show of the year is next Friday night in Virginia. I'll be front row. The announced card looks good:

Manassas, VA- January 16th
Friday, January 16, 2009
Ring Of Honor
Sports Network and Fitness Inc.
January 16th, 2009- 8:00pm belltime
8320 Quarry Road
Manassas, VA 20110

Tickets are available at www.rohwrestling.com, www.tickets.com, or by calling (215) 781-2500.

Non Title Match
ROH World Champion Nigel McGuinness vs. Tyler Black

Special Challenge Match
Bryan Danielson vs. Jimmy Jacobs

Tag Team Grudge Match
The American Wolves of Davey Richards & Eddie Edwards vs. Jay Briscoe & Roderick Strong

Special Attraction
Austin Aries vs. Jerry Lynn

The War Continues
The Necro Butcher vs. Delirious

Tag Team Action
Brent Albright & Erick Stevens vs. Damien Wayne & Chris Escobar

Singles Action
Rhett Titus vs. Sean Denny
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That does look like a pretty sweet card. Tyler Black should go over Nigel McGuinness to really cement the idea that he could be the "Next World Champ."

It's fantastic that HDNet would pay the production costs. I think ROH paying for them at this stage is a bit too ambitious.
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Old 01-10-2009, 10:50 PM   #65
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Damn, even when a company is offered a fucking TV deal, some people will not give them credit. I'd like to see some of you be offered something like this. God, some of you need some pussy.
It's the "cool thing" now for people to go against the people doing the "cool thing" and go against people doing the "thing."
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