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Old 01-27-2009, 09:13 AM   #41
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So was Bob Holly. Longevity doesn't always mean something of worth.
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Old 01-27-2009, 09:15 AM   #42
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Don't give me that "I've seen his entire career" crap noid. ECW is basically a step up from OVW or FCW and therefore doesn't count unless it is Miz, Morrison, or Hardy.
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Old 01-27-2009, 09:46 AM   #43
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Yeah, the match was messy. I really didn't know he was supposed to be a full heel, he didn't do anything heelish all match.
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Old 01-27-2009, 09:51 AM   #44
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You are talking about the Rumble match? I knew Swagger was suppose to be heel only because I know that Hardy is/was a face at the time. Which makes Swagger the defacto heel.
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Old 01-27-2009, 10:14 AM   #45
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Swagger's a heel that doesn't always have to cheat.
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Old 01-27-2009, 10:15 AM   #46
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Because he's great (kayfabe).
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Old 01-27-2009, 10:19 AM   #47
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Did anyone see the promo he cut during his feud with Tommy Dreamer? That shit really helped him stand out as an asshole. And not the jocky kind of asshole that BDC is talking about, but the kind of asshole that calls your daughter a cunt without having ever met her. And then he goes and sleeps her. Twice.
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Old 01-27-2009, 11:36 AM   #48
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Swagger's a heel that doesn't always have to cheat.
And apparently, you'll only know that if you watched that one promo he cut a while back.

"Disco Swag doesn't advertise."
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Old 01-27-2009, 03:23 PM   #49
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It's been more than one promo, but the one Noid is talking about was probably the best one.
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Old 01-27-2009, 03:38 PM   #50
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It's been more than one promo, but the one Noid is talking about was probably the best one.
Have these promos been recapped on Raw or Smackdown?
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Old 01-27-2009, 03:49 PM   #51
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That's not the point. The point is if you watched ECW you'd know about it instead of just dismissing it as an afterthought because you think it sucks.
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I like ECW, I just have been busy, and it is clearly a after thought of a show.
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Old 01-27-2009, 03:53 PM   #53
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I would be willing to put Swagger on a three-year plan.
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In your opinion. ECW gets mentioned as much as it should for being the C -show.
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Old 01-27-2009, 08:06 PM   #55
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And apparently, you'll only know that if you watched that one promo he cut a while back.

"Disco Swag doesn't advertise."
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying he wins matches "clean", for the most part. He's easy to hate because he's a dickhead, but he gets wins.
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Old 01-27-2009, 08:16 PM   #56
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I would be willing to put Swagger on a three-year plan.
I like your __ year plans. We should start a thread where people throw out names and they're assigned a plan, with description of how said plan will be unfolded.
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Old 01-27-2009, 10:40 PM   #57
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That's not the point. The point is if you watched ECW you'd know about it instead of just dismissing it as an afterthought because you think it sucks.
Just an aside, but let's pretend BDC doesn't have Sci-Fi. Is it still his fault that he doesn't know? Matt Hardy is covered on at least one of the other, main shows, but Swagger is not. I mean, a lot of people don't even have Sci-Fi, so they can't exactly follow ECW, want to or not.

That aside, WWE recaps almost everything ad nauseum. They design the product intentionally so you can pick up and play at virtually any time. I find it hard to believe that with the smallest roster in years and only like 3 matches a week at most, they can't establish the contender for the title at an event where they're hoping for a large audience.

Wrestling shouldn't be homework.

Anyway, how often, and how recent?
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Old 01-27-2009, 11:01 PM   #58
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Swagger was on last week's SmackDOWN!, for the record.
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Old 01-28-2009, 04:58 AM   #59
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Who the hell is Jack Swagger?
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So I was watching ECW last night, and it was Swagger heavy and rather boring. I missed Boogens match which made me sad (I was flipping channels during commersail and got stuck on Futurama). I did the 3 Swagger spots, which was all him talking/trying to figure out where his belt is. These are the observations I have:

1. Does he have fake teeth? They don't look real.
2. He lisps and sounds like a pussy, reminds me of Mike Tyson and Bobby Lashley in that respect.
3. His promos are bland to boring and needs a lot of work. He needs to be put in a program with someone who can carry promos/story lines and on ECW that is no one.
4. Everything about his is green. Hopefully Finlay can refine him a bit in ring, cause he ring work is what I expect out of a rookie, not a champion.
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Old 01-28-2009, 09:39 AM   #61
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So is there anything that would support the notion that he's this awesome deep psychological villain he's now being made out to be, or are people just making shit up again?
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Old 01-28-2009, 09:41 AM   #62
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I don't know about you guys, but this promo is amazing.



He's just too damn goofy looking to be taken seriously. The Backstreet Boy haircut doesn't help.
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That promo sucked.
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The best part was the look he gave before he answered the question, like he was so happy with himself that he came up with something so witty.

I agree on him sounding like Lashley. I couldn't pay attention to anything he said last night because of that damn lisp. Hard to sound like a badass when you have a speech impediment.
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He's just too damn goofy looking to be taken seriously. The Backstreet Boy haircut doesn't help.
I'm gonna ignore his mic skills, because he only said two words, but his demeanor is exactly what BDC was talking about, which backs up his point about the asshole jock perfectly.
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Yes, it is hard to take hims seriously because he looks a little on the goofy side, and he sounds goofy. At least Lashley looks like a badass.
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He's not a stereotypical badass. He IS a bit on the goofy side, but he still gets the job done in the ring.

As far as last night, that whole show was just ass, but I feel you could have put anybody in Swagger's spot with that storyline and it would have been awful.

Oh, and BDC, you didn't miss The Boogeyman's match. Ricky Ortiz came out and told him that he didn't have to eat worms to get over with the fans. All he needed was a Ricky O Rally Towel. The Boogeyman punched him and then Ortiz just....left. That was the "match". Pretty bad there too.
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Old 01-28-2009, 12:19 PM   #68
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Ah, well still. My point is Swagger is subpar and isn't ready to hold the 3 highest ranked title in WWE.
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Don't give me that "I've seen his entire career" crap noid. ECW is basically a step up from OVW or FCW and therefore doesn't count unless it is Miz, Morrison, or Hardy.
What are you on about? The guy is still on ECW. That's all you've ever known of the guy. If you want to pretend that ECW doesn't exist, and nor does Jack Swagger, fine, but delete this thread.
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Old 01-28-2009, 12:27 PM   #71
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Shut up noid, you are dumb. Go pretend Val Venis is world champion.
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Ah, well still. My point is Swagger is subpar and isn't ready to hold the 3 highest ranked title in WWE.
Who is better than Swagger on ECW right now?
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So is there anything that would support the notion that he's this awesome deep psychological villain he's now being made out to be, or are people just making shit up again?
No one said he is a deep psychological villain. You're making shit up again. I said that the promo where he insulted Tommy Dreamer's wife and kids isn't just arrogant or disrespectful in the sense that Swagger is a jock. It was just plain tasteless (from a kayfabe point of view), and made Swagger look like a complete dickweed. Not KK levels of dickweed, but pretty damn close.

Oh, and the promo happened. Get over it.
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Well, sometimes it's good to get a mark's perspective on things and my 12 yeard old brother calls me all the time and talks to me about wrestling and such. He's seen every ECW episode almost (I don't even watch it) and he always says that he hopes Hardy pulls through and blah blah because Swagger is a total jerk. So, I guess you could say that Swagger is doing his job. We are just a bunch of overcritical assholes.
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Who is better than Swagger on ECW right now?
Finlay, Mark Henry, Tommy Dreamer, Chavo, The Miz, John Morrison.
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Shut up noid, you are dumb. Go pretend Val Venis is world champion.
Shut up, BDC. I can at least use grammar and not sound like a sociopath when I talk. Go masturbate to a photoshopped picture of Kevin Nash and "Boogen" hugging, then go have intercourse with KK (which he will deny ever happened, because there was no "evidence," even though a video of it was put out for some reason), before settling down and fawning over John Morrison's abs.

I can't really fault you on the last one. Those are fairly good abs.
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John Morrison.
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An ECW title reign would not help Finlay, Henry was just the champ (and I disagree with that anyway), Tommy Dreamer is in the middle of a storyline where he's obviously going to win the title in about six months, Chavo's more on SmackDOWN! than anything plus he just had an ECW title reign, and The Miz and Morrison are tag champs.
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