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Old 07-24-2010, 12:36 AM   #41
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Just saw this, I've read some of the posts in here and hadn't considered some of them, but this is what I have concluded from my first viewing:

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Saito dies in the third layer from his wound in the first layer obviously. He becomes trapped in limbo. Cobb gets stabbed by Mal in the fourth layer, and says he has to stay to find Saito (because without him he can't return to the United States.) My initial interpretation is that Cobb "dies" from his stab wound, thus going into limbo where Saito is. I interpret this to be another level from all the others, because at the end, Cobb has trouble recalling why he is going to find Saito. They talk about the agreement, and Cobb mentions a "leap of faith." The falling sensation is what wakes them up. Now if you'll remember that each successive layer gives you more time to return using the "kick" as the previous one, then Cobb and Saito theoretically have more time to return using the kick. Thus, they create the falling sensation and use the kick to return to the plane, and back to reality. The little top or whatever it is was wobbling at the end.

I'm sure there are holes in there I'm not thinking of. Plus, if you also subscribe to the notion that the whole thing is Cobb's dreams plus his sub-conscience then this is null. I think with movies like this we tend to over analyze stuff, but some of the stuff is plainly explained in the film.
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Old 07-24-2010, 10:34 AM   #42
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Old 07-24-2010, 03:25 PM   #44
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Tom Hardy has definitely improved since Star Trek: Nemesis.

I liked the film. I don't know why some people have a hard time following it.
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I didn't really like this. I have pretty shitty vision and couldn't really see what was going on because I was sitting in the back, so I may have to see it again to get a better appreciation of the movie. It just seemed like a generic thriller with a quasi complex plot to make the chase scenes in the movie feel more important. The characters really had no depth beyond what was needed for the story, and the dream reality thing felt limited in terms of the logic used to appropriate them. Also they kept on using the word 'subconscious' to describe everything, which is a layman's term that isn't used in scientific contexts and wouldn't be used in the situations set up in the movie. I know I am nitpicking there, but it made the movie appear to be a bit undiscerning to certain details.
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I will give this movie another chance eventually. Sometimes it takes me more than one seeing to start to like a film, especially one like this.
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I really wanna see this.

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We can see it together in IMAX. I didn't like Fight Club or The Matrix at first either but changed my position on them the second time they were reviewed on DrA and Roeper. I just wasn't in the mood to see a 148 minute movie today.
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I thought it was good. The whole dream invasion pseudo science aspect isn't really that interesting on it's own but I really liked the way Nolan worked it into a smart heist film. The performances were incredible as were the visuals and it was refreshing to see a summer movie with brians.

As for the things that bothered me, I found it was a bit too bloated with content, which resulted in the narrative feeling a little clunky. Actually, I thought that The Dark Knight suffered from the same problem. Also with so much story and content to go through the film lost some of the nuances and character development of other heist films like Rififi, Asphalt Jungle, The Killing and Heat. The third layer didn't do anything for me either, the action scenes were poorly directed and the set piece felt out of place or something. Still really liked it though. 8/10
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The action scenes were poorly directed? That Joseph Gordon-Levitt scene with the 'anti-gravity'/revolving set was spectacular. Stands out so much that I don't actually remember enough about the other scenes to argue your point or not.
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Yes I agree, I meant just the action scenes in the third layer, all that arctic compound stuff. I think Nolan can be hit or miss when directing actions scenes... I thought they were terrible in Batman Begins but good for the most part in The Dark Knight.
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Part of me wants to take this at face value and enjoy the story that was explicitly told. Then the Lost fan in me really likes Frazor's theory of it all being a dream.

I have to figure out what side I'm on.
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What? No. The action scenes in this movie were tight the whole way through. Honestly have no complaints about this movie.
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I'd have to agree that the 3rd layer wasn't all that great but this movie was so great I am actually considering giving the novel a chance and see how much it differs and how I envison it.
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I was meh by the movie. I really don't have an interest in explaining why. I was entertained but I wasn't sitting on the edge of my seat, 7/10.
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Just saw this, I've read some of the posts in here and hadn't considered some of them, but this is what I have concluded from my first viewing:

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Saito dies in the third layer from his wound in the first layer obviously. He becomes trapped in limbo. Cobb gets stabbed by Mal in the fourth layer, and says he has to stay to find Saito (because without him he can't return to the United States.) My initial interpretation is that Cobb "dies" from his stab wound, thus going into limbo where Saito is. I interpret this to be another level from all the others, because at the end, Cobb has trouble recalling why he is going to find Saito. They talk about the agreement, and Cobb mentions a "leap of faith." The falling sensation is what wakes them up. Now if you'll remember that each successive layer gives you more time to return using the "kick" as the previous one, then Cobb and Saito theoretically have more time to return using the kick. Thus, they create the falling sensation and use the kick to return to the plane, and back to reality. The little top or whatever it is was wobbling at the end.

I'm sure there are holes in there I'm not thinking of. Plus, if you also subscribe to the notion that the whole thing is Cobb's dreams plus his sub-conscience then this is null. I think with movies like this we tend to over analyze stuff, but some of the stuff is plainly explained in the film.
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Saito dies in the third layer (the arctic dream) and goes into Cobb's limbo, as he is the only one who has been to limbo who is also sharing Saito's dream. Fischer is also killed in the third layer (sent to limbo), so Cobb and Ariadne have to go deeper than the third level and into limbo to retrieve him. There, Ariadne and Fischer jump off the roof and use the kick to ride back up to the third layer where Fischer confronts his father. Cobb misses the kick, but dies in limbo. Due to the heavy sedation used to get them down to the third level of dreams, Cobb is unable to return to the real world, and instead returns to the first dream level, where he is drowned underwater. He then awakens in limbo (in the water) where he finds Saito, who is now an old man (the few minutes he died before Cobb died translated to decades in limbo), convinced that limbo is his reality. Cobb's arrival convinces him otherwise and he shoots himself and Cobb, sending them back to the real world, as the extreme sedation has worn off.
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Just came back from watching it and its defiantly one of the best films I've seen in the last few years. Whole audience was upset at the Sopranos-like ending but not because it was bad but because everyone wanted to know the final question of the film.
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I was so bored watching this. It took so long to develop and then once it did, I was 'out of it'. There were some good points to the film, but overall I left feeling "meh". I wouldn't watch it again.
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Just reading this thread I'm seeing a lot of talk about the action sequences. Maybe I was just really into it but I didn't feel like there were a lot of action sequences at all.
Just 2 or 3, which were woven into the story and didn't really stick out to me as gratuitous action. I dunno. I wouldn't call this any more of an action movie than Blade Runner or something in that vain.
It's just science fiction noir.
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Watched this tonight. Really enjoyed it, if not a bit confused at times. I felt terrible watching it and having the hots for that Ellen Page, thinking she was like 14/15. I come home and google her and it turns out she's 23
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Can anyone answer why the gravity in the 3rd layer wasn't fucked up like it was in the 2nd layer?
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An easy guess is that the gravity/tremor effects only effect you one layer down. So, while on Level 2 they felt the gravity shift and tremors from the van shaking and eventually falling off the bridge in Level 1, those effects will only travel down one level, from 1 to 2. If the hotel in Level 2 were breaking or collapsing or something, perhaps they might feel THAT on Level 3.
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Honestly I was kind of baked and watched a bootleg of this so I am lost

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Each level time changes, so like you could be in Limbo for YEARS and in your real world life it was only 2 hours, right?

And what happens to your real world body if you are stuck in limbo? Coma? Is that what is seems like to the real world?

And so you die in a dream and you go to limbo? Then you need to be kicked all the way back to the real world?


I need to watch this again
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Finally got around to seeing this and really, really enjoyed it. Best film I've seen in a long time.

I'm really struggling to think of anything I didn't like about it. I even liked the ending, despite the whole ambiguity of it.
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Just saw it last night.

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Honestly I was kind of baked and watched a bootleg of this so I am lost

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Each level time changes, so like you could be in Limbo for YEARS and in your real world life it was only 2 hours, right?

And what happens to your real world body if you are stuck in limbo? Coma? Is that what is seems like to the real world?

And so you die in a dream and you go to limbo? Then you need to be kicked all the way back to the real world?


I need to watch this again
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When you're in limbo your brain feels like its been asleep for ages, but in reality you've just been laying there for however long you've been asleep. Essentially, your brain is tricked into thinking a lot of time has passed, when in the real world you've just been having a very vivid, elaborate, and seemingly long dream
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So if you were in limbo, and your alarm went off, you would come out of it?
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Well, being in limbo for 50 years may be the equivalent of being asleep for a second or two...but in the off chance that that did happen, I doubt it.

Here's why: to get to Limbo you have to be heavily sedated when you dream. If you're knocked out that much, then I doubt those sounds would awaken you.
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