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Old 03-03-2009, 02:34 PM   #41
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No. I refuse to acknowledge the bullshit they are feeding us to try and make it OK for him to lose cleanly. All I see is him losing.
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Old 03-03-2009, 03:27 PM   #42
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You're a fuckin moron.
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Old 03-03-2009, 03:28 PM   #43
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Old 03-03-2009, 03:33 PM   #44
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Old 03-03-2009, 03:38 PM   #45
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Old 03-03-2009, 04:00 PM   #46
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I don't know if moron is the right word. Idiot if you want. Listen, I know I have unrealistic expectations for guys that I enjoy sometimes but only to an extent and I don't think this is one of those times. Do I expect Christian to be World Heavyweight Champion tomorrow? No. But he is off a hot return and instead of embracing it, they are jobbing him out cleanly. It doesn't matter how it happens, the bottom line is that he's jobbing. I just had hoped that they would use him a little bit better. Don't know why everyone is wishing death upon me here for wanting one of my favorite wrestlers to be used correctly.
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Old 03-03-2009, 05:36 PM   #47
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People just disagree with the suggestion that he isn't being used correctly. He's in a program with the ECW Champion. He started off strong, and got two pins over the guy. Now it's Swagger's time to really get in the head of Christian, so that when they do start to build more directly to WrestleMania, there is a "which way will it go" drama.

Personally, I would have put the faces over in that main event, though. Christian could have pinned The Miz, or something.
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Old 03-03-2009, 06:14 PM   #48
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I don't know if moron is the right word. Idiot if you want. Listen, I know I have unrealistic expectations for guys that I enjoy sometimes but only to an extent and I don't think this is one of those times. Do I expect Christian to be World Heavyweight Champion tomorrow? No. But he is off a hot return and instead of embracing it, they are jobbing him out cleanly. It doesn't matter how it happens, the bottom line is that he's jobbing. I just had hoped that they would use him a little bit better. Don't know why everyone is wishing death upon me here for wanting one of my favorite wrestlers to be used correctly.
2 clean wins and 2 clean losses over ECW's "main event". Not something to be ashamed of. They're not going to build him up with strings of wins against no names like DJ Gabriel and Tyson Kidd, he's up in their main event getting some action. Making Swaggsley have consecutive clean losses over Christian makes him look weak, and constant wins for Christian over Swagger makes the feud sort of worthless.

Do I think he's being mismanaged? Yeah. Could they do better? Again, yeah. But really, it's Christian. Not The Rock, not Stone Cold, not even RVD or Booker T. To Vince, Christian is that same guy who walked out 3 years ago as a midcarder on not that great terms and went to TNA (the "competition"). He's not going to get super duper winning streaks fresh out of Florida, and it's only been a month.
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Old 03-03-2009, 07:06 PM   #49
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Cleanly though? That's what I don't agree with. They're just showing that they don't give a shit about him making him job clean. Swagger is a heel and would lose nothing from getting a cheat win. But if they did that then they couldn't piss all over Christian I guess.
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Old 03-03-2009, 07:52 PM   #50
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Swagger cheating isn't the way to go, in my opinion. Swagger's character is that he wins clean. He's a wrestling prodigy, and like Brock Lesnar, he's a heel with an amateur wrestling background and some size to him that is a legitimate threat. Or is meant to be, anyway. Swagger has gone cleanly over well respected guys like Tommy Dreamer, Finlay and Matt Hardy, and cleanly ended the undefeated streak of Ricky Ortiz. Why should he have to cheat with Christian? If anything, it makes Swagger's claims of being a wrestling prodigy paper-thin, and Christian beating him means nothing.

Christian has also made a career for himself being a slimy heel in the WWE. He knows all the bad guy tricks, so he shouldn't fall for them. If Swagger goes over Christian, it should be because he has size and technique over Christian, due to his past and natural gifts. Christian should be winning with his experience and cunning. In fact, I'd like to see some spots where Swagger tries to cheat Christian over, but The Canadian Rage is always a step ahead, and manages to completely reverse the situation on Swagger.

I'd also like to see JBL manage Swagger. I think Jack is pretty damn competent on the mic, if you ask me, but he's just lacking that extra support to make his quick ECW Title win seem like a really big deal. JBL could get behind the guy, and really capitalise his heat.
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Old 03-03-2009, 07:52 PM   #51
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I also wouldn't consider the way Christian was pinned as being "clean."
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Old 03-03-2009, 08:33 PM   #52
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I actually thought that they would put Umaga in it..... I guess not anymore..... 2 300 pounders in 2 too many.....
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Old 03-03-2009, 08:34 PM   #53
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How was it not clean? Swagger tagged in, hit his finisher, and pinned him.
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Old 03-03-2009, 08:35 PM   #54
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Old 03-03-2009, 08:37 PM   #55
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I don't need to watch it to understand what is happening. They are trying to do things to distract people from the fact that Christian is just cleanly jobbing on the C show.
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Old 03-03-2009, 08:38 PM   #56
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It wasn't a clean job
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Old 03-03-2009, 08:39 PM   #57
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Plus, weren't people complaining that Christian going over Swagger two weeks in a row made Swagger look weak?
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Old 03-03-2009, 08:39 PM   #58
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Technically Swagger didn't cheat.
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I just think you're looking at this as too black and white. There's a gray area
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I would also like to point out that D'Lo Brown won his first couple matches back as well...
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Whoa. You're seriously not comparing those two situations are you???
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Old 03-03-2009, 08:52 PM   #62
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No, they aren't comparable because D'Lo Brown didn't lose til probably his 4th or 5th match.
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I don't think D'Lo pinned the champ on Raw two weeks in a row though.
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Also, enough with this Champ stuff. It's not like Xtian came in and beat Cena on his first night back. He's on the C show here. Come on now.
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So why does it matter so much that he lost to c-champ on the c-show (IN A TAG MATCH at that)? You can't have it both ways.

You're looking at this whole thing as a smark though. In kayfabe, Christian beat the champ two weeks in a row, which means something in the WWE Universe.
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They have a champion who doesn't use the ropes or a chair shot to win his match. Really not seeing the problem.
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Just was expecting more from the Christian return I guess. I guess I'll just have to deal with them turning him into the next Tommy Dreamer.
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Old 03-03-2009, 09:03 PM   #69
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Just was expecting more from the Christian return I guess. I guess I'll just have to deal with them turning him into the next Tommy Dreamer.
You're overreacting man. Like WAY over overreacting. If you honestly think thin Christian is gonna be the next Tommy Dreamer because he's lost TWICE in his 4 matches, you're crazy.
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Old 03-03-2009, 09:05 PM   #70
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Old 03-03-2009, 09:06 PM   #71
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Hey, remember when Punk was getting jobbed out as champion and you all said he'd rebound?

What happened with that again?
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Old 03-03-2009, 09:15 PM   #73
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Not regaining the WHC doesn't mean he didn't rebound. The guy is in the middle of a nice IC title run.
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Old 03-03-2009, 09:17 PM   #74
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Not regaining main event status after being a main eventer isn't rebounding?

Once you're champion, you're considered a main eventer for at least a years, or at least SHOULD be.

And Punk's title isn't even on the line at Mania, which shows how much that title is worth.
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I said it was a stupid move to put the title on him then and a worse move to take it off him like they did and that he is finally back where he should be. I'm right is what happened to that.
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That only lasted a month or two. Now he's in a major feud leading into Mania.

I'm not saying it's right, because again, you should have solid main event status once you win a world title, but his and Punk's situations aren't the same.
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That only lasted a month or two. Now he's in a major feud leading into Mania.
Punk was a transitional champ. Happens all the time in wrestling.
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I'm not saying Punks reign was a success, but i think Punk is fine where he is right now.
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If they want to have Swagger take on Christian at Mania, they need to give him some heat. Being a wrestling wunderkind is nice, but if the guy you're meant to be facing has pinned you twice then it's moot. The way they're doing it now builds up both guys, a returning Christian for the new audience who isn't familiar with his previous work, and the rookie Swagger, so that by the time we get to Mania there won't be this feeling of "piss break while Christian wins the title." And there isn't, because now you all think they're burying Christian.
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And there isn't, because now you all think they're burying Christian.
Way to lump everyone in there, fuzzy bear.
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