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Old 03-05-2009, 08:53 PM   #41
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I hope Jericho Lawler happens now that I've read this. It would be a great moment in his life.
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Old 03-05-2009, 08:57 PM   #42
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I'm looking forward to it. I think the storylines have been done better than anything they have done in the last couple years. I'm not even bothered by a repeat of Orton/HHH. It's a new context for the match, so the match itself will be different than previous incarnations of it. I would much prefer this than nine Wrestlemanias of Hogan in the main event.

The MitB looks weird on paper, but I kind of like Henry and Kane in there. They were gonna be on the card somewhere, and this gets them both out of the way in one fell swoop. It also provides a chance for a few "less spotty spots" if you read me.

I have every confidence that Edge/Big Show or Edge/Big Show/Cena will deliver the goods. From a storyline perspective this is suddenly just as good as Orton, I'm just not sure as many people are watching it. It will be interesting to see if there is an Edge/Show double turn, or a temporary Edge/Cena alliance to overcome Show, who has been pushed pretty big lately. I would love for Show to walk out with the belt.

Hardy v. Hardy should tear it down. As should Christian v. Swagger, if that ends up happening.

Maryse v. Melina, eh. It would be great if Beth went to SD and took the Divas' title from Maryse after Michelle McCool did a little inteferring. Not that Beth would need it, but it would continue the Maryse/McCool feud, and then we get Beth v. Melina at Mania.

Jericho v. ? This match is more about the legend cameo than anything. Depending on who it is, the match could be watchable to surprising.

Taker/Michaels - Will probably be Taker's best Mania match to date. I am calling for a ref bump.

Dunno, I think it's shaping up well. I can see what you mean about how on paper some things look to be repeats or just aren't exciting. I think the guys will really turn it on. 25th anniversary of Wrestlemania. You can't hold anything back.
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I agree, and really, since the rosters aren't as rock-solid as they used to be, they should really combine the tag titles and let them roam shows. Fuck, these two teams ahve been all over each others' shows lately anyways.
That's legit. Add to that that there are barely even enough legitimate teams to justify one set of tag titles, and a unification match is something that really needs to happen in the near future.
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The Divas title needs to go also.
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The Divas title should have never existed.
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It's a shame Bret can't physically compete, because it'd actually be a great angle for his return.
He has said that he would entertain the idea of working in a storyline that he finds interesting and fun, as long as it didn't involve Vince, Shawn or HHH. This would be perfect.
Unfortunately, it requires a wrestling capacity and that's just not in the cards.
He could very easily manage his nephew to face Jericho?

But seriously, that's where I'd like to see this program eventually go. Jericho is ripping into legends right now, so why not have some of their family get offended and step up to Jericho? Sim Snuka should have a massive problem with Jericho for the way he treated his father, so why not do Jericho vs. Superfly, Jr. on RAW? Jericho goes over, and then after WrestleMania, guys like Joe Hennig can come up and say "show some respect." It'd just be ways to get them working with a guy who can really help them become a lot better a lot quicker.
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Old 03-05-2009, 09:26 PM   #47
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The PPV will actually be really good, I think. WrestleMania hasn't felt special in so many years (2006 and onwards is where it really lost some luster, as Loose Cannon said), but this year they've got some stuff going on that is actually really good.

Chris Jericho's program just feels like WrestleMania. I'm actually hoping that it is Hogan, because he is the epitome of what Jericho is ripping on. While Stone Cold Steve Austin could probably have the better match, it just doesn't make sense for him to defend what is right. That match will be awesome, solely for Jericho's promo work. Jericho will only lose once all the legends get involved, and maybe even after Mickey Rourke slugs him. I just wish Jericho would take out Jerry Lawler before the PPV, and we got JBL to fill in on color commentary for the PPV. Lawler can still make his WrestleMania appearance in this match.

Matt Hardy vs. Jeff Hardy, John Morrison & The Miz vs. The Colons and Jack Swagger vs. Christian all have "sleeper match" qualities to them. If you gave each one 15 minutes, then that's 45 minutes of solid wrestling right there. That's not taking into consideration the fun of Money in the Bank and the epicness of The Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels.

People tend to shit on him these days, but Rey Mysterio doesn't have a spot on the card as of yet. I'm not sure what he'll be doing, but you know he'll be on it. Also, I don't care what people say, Rey Mysterio can be quite fun in the ring. Whatever filler he is working (I'm going to guess an interpromotional match against Vladimir Kozlov), I'm sure it will be passable stuff.
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Old 03-05-2009, 09:48 PM   #48
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Just remember this: no matter how lacklustre the card shapes up to be over the next month, it will never look as bad on paper as WrestleMania 22... which went on to be a solidly entertaining show.

Orton vs HHH has been done, but the angle where Orton hit the RKO on Stephanie and subsequent HHH/Randy facial expressions really sold this match to me all over again. It is coming from a new place, with a new context, and I'm good with it as the main event (which is unusual for me to be all for a Triple H main event at Mania).

On the SmackDown side, I don't know who has been smoking what in order to believe that Big Show fits into any PPV main event in 2009, let alone the sacred WrestleMania. He has his place in the company, but realistically his days of being a super duper top guy passed unnoticed a decade ago. He will never be the new Andre. Vince needs to wake up to this fact.

Taker vs Michaels has been bubbling under for a couple of years, and I (and many others) started calling for this one a year ago, thinking it would be a no-brainer.... the story sells itself. The two most tenured, legendary figures in WWE, both major babyfaces battling in their home state... one calls himself Mr WrestleMania, can make ANYTHING happen at the big event, including ending the career of Ric Flair... but can he do what no man has ever done before? Can he beat The Undertaker at WrestleMania? Mr WrestleMania vs The Streak. Texan vs Texan in Texas. WWE legend vs WWE legend. WrestleMania icon vs WrestleMania icon. For one, the right to be permanently anointed the MVP of WrestleMania history.

Trouble is... we haven't actually seen nor heard ANY of these elements so far. Then again, it is early days. HBK only won the right to challenge Taker last week, so let's wait and watch this one play out. But if WWE doesn't touch on ANY of the above, then they are deliberately 'swerving' the fans, just like when they ignored the possibilities of focusing on the fact that Edge was also technically undefeated in the run up to last years Mania. Many thought there would be some focus on "undefeated vs undefeated" in the Edge/Taker match... WWE didn't even mention it.

The Jericho/Legends angle has been fun, and is basically just a well thought out "filler" attraction, to give Jericho something prominant to do at the big event, to make the crowd happy as the overbearing asshole heel gets his mouth shut by a popular babyface, and gives a shine to the veterans on the so-called "25th Anniversary" of the PPV. I would have liked a Legends battle royal, because the WrestleMania X-Seven one was great fun, even if the actual match itself was the shits. However, I think this match will fulfill that major "Legends" prescence for the show.

Personally, I want to see Jericho - Austin. Austin has to be in the condition to work some kind of match, because until he vetoed it at the last hour, he was announced to face Jonathan Coachman at a PPV a couple years back. I know he would be required to take more bumps against Jericho than against Coach... but then, would he? For an attraction rather than a serious, competitive match, all that needs to happen is Jericho taking a pasting from a number of veterans on the outside, Austin on the inside... the Rattlesnake wouldn't even need to take a bump. This match isn't designed to get Jericho over... he is over. Losing to a retired guy won't harm Jericho one bit, especially with lots of outside interference (Rourke too?), and will make many fans happy, and give them a WrestleMania moment. Same applies to Hogan too, except I would hope to see a more varied, see-saw match if it is Hogan on the other end of the ring (because Hogan is able to take bumps, and he shouldn't just squash Jericho when Hogan has ALWAYS been most effective as a face when selling and taking a beating).

If Lawler gets the match, it falls down the ladder of importance in the show by a few rungs, unfortunately, due to Lawler's lower standing in the eyes of fans (mainly due to sporadic and lame booking by WWE, and the fact that Lawler has never been hugely over as a face wrestler in WWE.) The time to give Lawler the WrestleMania match he always longed for was in 1994 when he was hot property after feuding with Bret Hart, but unluckily for Lawler he had to take a sabbatical from the company in the months leading up to the show for legal reasons, and only returned at the event. His second glaring missed opportunity was WrestleMania X-Seven where his program with the RTC would have almost certainly led to a WrestleMania match (probably Lawler teaming with APA, instead of Tazz, in the six man tag) had Lawler not walked out in the weeks leading up to the event.

I'm not averse to seeing Lawler get his much desired WrestleMania moment, but not here. I want Hogan or Austin, even though the match will suck, because the entertainment value of the spectacle will be worth much more, and there are plenty of other matches to offer high workrate. This one should offer fun and mark outs.

I still expect, with the economy in the shitter, for WWE to pack some more power into the card in the coming weeks. They have to KNOW they need to go above and beyond to have any hope of gaining a million buys, and even though the card is currently quite intriguing to wrestling fans, it doesn't offer much in the way of interest to the casual fans they court so openly this time of year. There's no Mayweather/Trump/Tyson/Mr T style buzz. Rourke may have been Oscar nominated, but whilst profitable, The Wrestler hasn't been a major mainstream box office attraction. Rourke's name, coupled with the film, doesn't carry enough weight to drive Mania as a PPV event, the way the above names did.

So I almost expect more celebrity involvement to be announced. Probably not in a physical capacity, but in some capacity. And I should hope for a rather big name too.

If I were WWE, I'd do all I can to secure Austin vs Jericho, and then push Cena vs Hogan. Both matches will offer spectacle, fan reaction, and WrestleMania Moments, even if the matches themselves aren't five star classics... although WWE really know how to book limited workers in dramatic matches, as Vince himself proves every time he goes out there in his vest top.
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RE: Money In The Bank. I'd rather not see Kane, Mark Henry and
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in there to be honest, because this match is usually a fun spot-fest.

I do appreciate you can't just fill it with the likes of The Brian Kendrick and Jimmy Wang Yang because, historically, the man who cashes in the briefcase goes on to become a champion.. that is part of the appeal of this match. The winner has virtually secured themselves a top title run (and it would be a shame to break that unwritten rule because it makes MITB mean so much).

So, therefore, if you fill the match with nothing but a bunch of high flyers who have zero chance of winning the big belt, and then throw, for example, MVP in there with them, then it becomes obvious who will be winning. It needs the kind of star power that cannot be provided by the cruiserweight job squad, but at the same time, nobody can seriously believe Kane, Henry or
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will win it either.

The key is to throw as many guys in there as possible who fulfill both key objectives, ie. they seriously could win the thing and go on to take the title within a year, and also can contribute to the fast paced frenzy of the multi-man ladder match. My money is on John Morrison, if he enters, or Mysterio, if he enters.
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Old 03-05-2009, 10:22 PM   #52
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good points Carl.

yea, I've been dying to see Cena/Hogan or Cena/Rock. I'm thinking they are going to just throw Cena in with Edge and Show though.
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I would laugh if they put Cena into MITB.
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Well we all knows what's gonna happen if he does...it's gonna piss the crowd off (minus kids) then Cena will win...then say "Edge! I want my title shot!" and then he's gonna make it a triple threat or screw Edge over like Edge has done Cena twice.
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We also get Jeff vs Matt Hardy. How the hell can you complain about this card?
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