Cricket World Cup vs. World Baseball Classic - Page 2

**El Capitano Gatisto** · 03-10-2009, 05:11 PM

There's no such thing as a friendly in rugby. I don't see the problem with playing a game like that in a new country, it probably would just by-pass the general American public completely, however. Rugby needs close attention to pick up its rules and subtleties. The ref radio thing might help a bit, but otherwise newcomers to the sport with no emotional investment will wonder what the fuck's going on.

I'd gladly have Argentina in the 6 Nations (or 7 nations as it would be) with them based from Spain, but it may be difficult to work it into the fixture schedule with it already being packed for international rugby players. Probably best they join the southern hemisphere series.

**Team Sheep** · 03-10-2009, 07:28 PM

Argentina being based in Spain would be retarded. As would them having to fly all the way to Europe and back for every game, so I think that idea is out of the window. I don't think they'd ever be allowed into the Tri Nations, it's too prestigious amongst South Africa, Australia and New Zealand as they are the Southern Hemisphere super powers. Argentina being added just doesn't have the same ring to it, doubt they'd let it happen.

It is a really shitty situation for Argentina as they are just dieing to play regular competitive rugby and have proved that they deserve to compete on the world stage, but the options don't seem realistic.

**El Capitano Gatisto** · 03-10-2009, 07:36 PM

Most of their squad plays in Europe. Possibly all of it. So where would they be flying back and forth to?

**Team Sheep** · 03-10-2009, 07:37 PM

To play home games maybe?

**El Capitano Gatisto** · 03-10-2009, 07:38 PM

Not if they were based in Spain.

**El Capitano Gatisto** · 03-10-2009, 07:39 PM

South American football teams already play their friendlies against each other in Europe, the fans show up.

**Team Sheep** · 03-10-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by El Capitano Gatisto

Not if they were based in Spain.

No shit. But I was talking about if their home games were based in their home land.

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Originally Posted by El Capitano Gatisto

South American football teams already play their friendlies against each other in Europe, the fans show up.

Like you said, they're friendlies. We've seen friendly games played all over the place, it's not a big deal. It's not a question of whether the fans will turn up or not, it's a matter of home field advantage and showing some respect to their home fans, and I'm sure the players would absolutely love to play the likes of England, France, Wales and Ireland in one of the world's most prestigious tournaments in Buenos Aires in front of thousands of screaming, crazy Argentinians. Can't beat that for a hostile environment. Anything other than that would just be a slap in the face and seem pretty false.

But like I said, it's not really likely.

**El Capitano Gatisto** · 03-10-2009, 08:27 PM

Home field advantage is a mindset. You are simply suggesting an unworkable barrier. There is no real problem for them basing in Europe and playing in the 6 Nations.

Additionally, the crowds who pack Argentinian football grounds won't be the same people going to rugby games. Further, in the 6 Nations there's often more away fans than home in many games. Ireland always fill at least 2/3rds of the grounds away to Scotland and Italy.

**Cooler Tom Schuler** · 03-11-2009, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru Dave

I do play baseball with my American cousins but I am still a learner. It's way easy to bat though. In cricket you play with a straight bat.

I do not understand this. Sounds like your American cousins are terrible pitchers.

**SammyG** · 03-11-2009, 04:46 AM

Baseball>Cricket

K bye

**CSL** · 03-11-2009, 04:59 AM

**The Mackem** · 03-11-2009, 08:42 AM

Not a big follower of Rugby but don't a decent amount of Argentinian rugby players end up playing for Italy?

**BCWWF** · 03-11-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by El Capitano Gatisto

There's no such thing as a friendly in rugby.

What would this game be? Would it have to be something significant, or do you just mean that the term "friendly" is specifically for football?

Just in general I have an issue with putting the world's biggest rivalries on display as a show in other countries. There is something special about that game that you should have to go to New Zealand or Australia to see.

Also, I think having England play in the game would be the most effective for any American.

**El Capitano Gatisto** · 03-11-2009, 12:37 PM

It would be a test match. In rugby, international games are always competitive. For example, when New Zealand tour Europe, they will play a series of test matches. There's no trophy on the line, but it still means everything to beat them.

**Team Sheep** · 03-11-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by El Capitano Gatisto

Home field advantage is a mindset. You are simply suggesting an unworkable barrier. There is no real problem for them basing in Europe and playing in the 6 Nations.

Additionally, the crowds who pack Argentinian football grounds won't be the same people going to rugby games. Further, in the 6 Nations there's often more away fans than home in many games. Ireland always fill at least 2/3rds of the grounds away to Scotland and Italy.

I didn't say they'd be football crowds. Have you ever seen a home Argentina rugby game? They fill their stadiums pretty well. I'm just saying that I personally would like to see Argentina compete in something where they can play in their home country. But hey if they can arrange an alternative and are happy with it, then good for them. Would just be a bit disappointing for the fans that's all.

Also how can you say home field advantage is a mindset? You honestly believe that they'll have no advantage playing in Argentina rather than in Spain?

**BCWWF** · 03-11-2009, 02:34 PM

Home field advantage in South America is probably the most significant that you'd find, I'd think. Granted, I don't know much at all about their rugby, but La Bombonera would probably be one of the toughest places in the world to play, due to crowd noise, danger factor and just general surroundings.

But for Argentina, wouldn't it almost be closer for them to go west instead and compete with Australia and New Zealand?

**Team Sheep** · 03-11-2009, 02:59 PM

Yeah would be closer. But I doubt they'd let them join the Tri Nations. Australia, South Africa and New Zealand are the big 3 in the Southern Hemisphere, and those three names are synonymous as the cream of world rugby, and that's the competition's main selling point. Adding Argentina would take away from the competition from a marketing standpoint IMO. They'd probably end up being the whipping boys of the tournament for the first few seasons, I think they'd learn and progress more by playing in the 6 Nations.

**Bad Company** · 03-12-2009, 04:09 AM

There has been talk for years about letting Argentina joing the Tri-Nations, it's just a logistical nightmare, especially with all their decent players in European club rugby.

**BCWWF** · 03-12-2009, 10:59 AM

Is there basically only 10 nations that matter in world rugby? Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, England, Scotland, Wales, France, Italy, Argentina and whoever the sixth team is? (Ireland?)

**Team Sheep** · 03-12-2009, 01:52 PM

Pretty much. You also have some Pacific Island teams like Tonga, Samoa and Fiji who kind of borderline matter.

**BCWWF** · 03-12-2009, 02:10 PM

There you go: One Nation and Three Islands. The third tournament.

**#BROKEN Hasney** · 03-12-2009, 05:40 PM

This is the first I've ever heard of this Baseball thingy.

Have they renamed the bullshit World Series yet?

**BCWWF** · 03-12-2009, 06:06 PM

I love how internationals get so offended by the name World Series.

**Team Sheep** · 03-12-2009, 06:17 PM

Lol and they hate the Super Bowl winners being called "World Champions".

**#BROKEN Hasney** · 03-12-2009, 07:56 PM

Well yeah, it creates a fake sense of grandeur that only Americans seem to fall for. May well of called it the galactic series because it sounds far more awesome.

**Cooler Tom Schuler** · 03-12-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hasney

This is the first I've ever heard of this Baseball thingy.

To add honest perspective, I'd never heard of the Cricket World Cup before this thread.

**Downunder** · 03-13-2009, 07:13 AM

CTS you ahd never heard of Kangaroo burgers before you met me

**Downunder** · 03-13-2009, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

I love how internationals get so offended by the name World Series.

I wouldn't say offended, it's just bloody funny.

**Downunder** · 03-13-2009, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad Company

There has been talk for years about letting Argentina joing the Tri-Nations, it's just a logistical nightmare, especially with all their decent players in European club rugby.

Yeah, and that's a bloody shame. I'd love to see the Pumas in an expanded tri-nations

**Cooler Tom Schuler** · 03-13-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Downunder

CTS you ahd never heard of Kangaroo burgers before you met me

This is very true. You changed my world.

03-10-2009, 05:11 PM	#41
El Capitano Gatisto World Class Raconteur Posts: 29,478	There's no such thing as a friendly in rugby. I don't see the problem with playing a game like that in a new country, it probably would just by-pass the general American public completely, however. Rugby needs close attention to pick up its rules and subtleties. The ref radio thing might help a bit, but otherwise newcomers to the sport with no emotional investment will wonder what the fuck's going on. I'd gladly have Argentina in the 6 Nations (or 7 nations as it would be) with them based from Spain, but it may be difficult to work it into the fixture schedule with it already being packed for international rugby players. Probably best they join the southern hemisphere series.

03-10-2009, 07:28 PM	#42
Team Sheep T�m Defaid Posts: 6,646	Argentina being based in Spain would be retarded. As would them having to fly all the way to Europe and back for every game, so I think that idea is out of the window. I don't think they'd ever be allowed into the Tri Nations, it's too prestigious amongst South Africa, Australia and New Zealand as they are the Southern Hemisphere super powers. Argentina being added just doesn't have the same ring to it, doubt they'd let it happen. It is a really shitty situation for Argentina as they are just dieing to play regular competitive rugby and have proved that they deserve to compete on the world stage, but the options don't seem realistic.

03-10-2009, 07:36 PM	#43
El Capitano Gatisto World Class Raconteur Posts: 29,478	Most of their squad plays in Europe. Possibly all of it. So where would they be flying back and forth to?

03-10-2009, 07:37 PM	#44
Team Sheep T�m Defaid Posts: 6,646	To play home games maybe?

03-10-2009, 07:38 PM	#45
El Capitano Gatisto World Class Raconteur Posts: 29,478	Not if they were based in Spain.

03-10-2009, 07:39 PM	#46
El Capitano Gatisto World Class Raconteur Posts: 29,478	South American football teams already play their friendlies against each other in Europe, the fans show up.

03-10-2009, 08:27 PM	#48
El Capitano Gatisto World Class Raconteur Posts: 29,478	Home field advantage is a mindset. You are simply suggesting an unworkable barrier. There is no real problem for them basing in Europe and playing in the 6 Nations. Additionally, the crowds who pack Argentinian football grounds won't be the same people going to rugby games. Further, in the 6 Nations there's often more away fans than home in many games. Ireland always fill at least 2/3rds of the grounds away to Scotland and Italy.

03-11-2009, 04:46 AM	#50
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	Baseball>Cricket K bye

03-11-2009, 04:59 AM	#51
CSL Over Like Rover Posts: 38,444

03-11-2009, 08:42 AM	#52
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	Not a big follower of Rugby but don't a decent amount of Argentinian rugby players end up playing for Italy?

03-11-2009, 12:37 PM	#54
El Capitano Gatisto World Class Raconteur Posts: 29,478	It would be a test match. In rugby, international games are always competitive. For example, when New Zealand tour Europe, they will play a series of test matches. There's no trophy on the line, but it still means everything to beat them.

03-11-2009, 02:34 PM	#56
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Home field advantage in South America is probably the most significant that you'd find, I'd think. Granted, I don't know much at all about their rugby, but La Bombonera would probably be one of the toughest places in the world to play, due to crowd noise, danger factor and just general surroundings. But for Argentina, wouldn't it almost be closer for them to go west instead and compete with Australia and New Zealand?

03-11-2009, 02:59 PM	#57
Team Sheep T�m Defaid Posts: 6,646	Yeah would be closer. But I doubt they'd let them join the Tri Nations. Australia, South Africa and New Zealand are the big 3 in the Southern Hemisphere, and those three names are synonymous as the cream of world rugby, and that's the competition's main selling point. Adding Argentina would take away from the competition from a marketing standpoint IMO. They'd probably end up being the whipping boys of the tournament for the first few seasons, I think they'd learn and progress more by playing in the 6 Nations.

03-12-2009, 04:09 AM	#58
Bad Company Mad Posts: 26,228	There has been talk for years about letting Argentina joing the Tri-Nations, it's just a logistical nightmare, especially with all their decent players in European club rugby.

03-12-2009, 10:59 AM	#59
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Is there basically only 10 nations that matter in world rugby? Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, England, Scotland, Wales, France, Italy, Argentina and whoever the sixth team is? (Ireland?)

03-12-2009, 01:52 PM	#60
Team Sheep T�m Defaid Posts: 6,646	Pretty much. You also have some Pacific Island teams like Tonga, Samoa and Fiji who kind of borderline matter.

03-12-2009, 02:10 PM	#61
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	There you go: One Nation and Three Islands. The third tournament.

03-12-2009, 05:40 PM	#62
#BROKEN Hasney BAY BAY Posts: 36,524	This is the first I've ever heard of this Baseball thingy. Have they renamed the bullshit World Series yet?

03-12-2009, 06:06 PM	#63
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I love how internationals get so offended by the name World Series.

03-12-2009, 06:17 PM	#64
Team Sheep T�m Defaid Posts: 6,646	Lol and they hate the Super Bowl winners being called "World Champions".

03-12-2009, 07:56 PM	#65
#BROKEN Hasney BAY BAY Posts: 36,524	Well yeah, it creates a fake sense of grandeur that only Americans seem to fall for. May well of called it the galactic series because it sounds far more awesome.

03-13-2009, 07:13 AM	#67
Downunder God Bless America Posts: 37,905	CTS you ahd never heard of Kangaroo burgers before you met me