Grand Slam Champions

[Juan]

Originally Posted by Savior HHH won the WCW title?

I dunno, technically I guess, since the Undisputed title was the WWE + WCW title.

[Hornicane]

Originally Posted by Savior HHH won the WCW title?

WWE acknowledges that the World Heavyweight Title is the old WCW Championship. And also, it was still two separate belts when Trips won the WWE and WCW titles from Jericho to become Undisputed Champion, so I'd say he has.

[Juan]

Originally Posted by Four String WWE acknowledges that the World Heavyweight Title is the old WCW Championship.

I don't think they do...

[Hornicane]

Originally Posted by Juan I don't think they do...

"The World Heavyweight Championship that has recently been carried by such greats as Batista and Triple H got its start in WWE back in 2002. But its prestigious lineage can actually be traced back all the way to George Hackenschmidt and 1904. For years, it was known as the NWA Championship; then when WCW pulled out of the NWA in the early 1990s, Ric Flair was recognized as the first-ever WCW Champion."

http://www.wwe.com/inside/titlehistory/wcwchampionship/

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Four String WWE acknowledges that the World Heavyweight Title is the old WCW Championship. And also, it was still two separate belts when Trips won the WWE and WCW titles from Jericho to become Undisputed Champion, so I'd say he has.

No, they don't. Plus, the Undisputed Championship was not the WWE + WCW Title after Jericho won it, that is just how it was physically represented. Jericho was the last WCW Champion, then he became the WWE Champion.

[Xero]

They don't. It's a separate title and the WCW title is still absorbed in the WWE Championship.

Also, Jericho with both belts was the Undisputed champion, the single belt Triple H got just consolidated them. Triple H won the Undisputed/WWF Championship, not both titles.

[Xero]

That's fucked up, because the title ends with Jericho on that list. If they're going to do that, the ECW title should be separate from the Extreme Championship Wrestling title.

They clearly consider it a separate title, otherwise it would be combined.

Really, they're counting it as having lineage to the NWA championship but I think, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, when the WCW title split from the NWA title it stopped having that lineage.

[Hornicane]

Originally Posted by Xero That's fucked up, because the title ends with Jericho on that list. If they're going to do that, the ECW title should be separate from the Extreme Championship Wrestling title. They clearly consider it a separate title, otherwise it would be combined.

Oh they, do, I was just pointing out that they recognize that it was at some point the same title. Winning the WHW title doesn't count as winning the WCW tite which didn't count as winning the NWA title.

I just figured that since Jericho won both belts to become undisputed champion and they unified them into one title after Trips won them that that would count as a WWE and WCW title win like it did for Jericho, but apparently I figured wrong.

[Xero]

I think the biggest thing we all forget is that the WCW title was called the World Heavyweight Championship for a bit after the Invasion angle and when Jericho won it. Back then it definitely held the WCW lineage.

I think it makes sense to look at it like this: The WCW title was absorbed into the WWE Championship when Jericho won it. The WCW lineage stops there. When Bischoff brought it back, it WAS the same title, but the WCW lineage stayed with the WWE championship.

My head hurts.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Xero I think the biggest thing we all forget is that the WCW title was called the World Heavyweight Championship for a bit after the Invasion angle and when Jericho won it. Back then it definitely held the WCW lineage. I think it makes sense to look at it like this: The WCW title was absorbed into the WWE Championship when Jericho won it. The WCW lineage stops there. When Bischoff brought it back, it WAS the same title, but the WCW lineage stayed with the WWE championship. My head hurts.

I believe the WCW Title was actually called the "World Championship" when the WWE defeated The Alliance at Survivor Series. I don't remember "Heavyweight" ever being in there.

But you are basically right in this thread. Personally, I thought of the Undisputed Championship as a completely new title when Chris Jericho combined the WWE Title and WCW Title together at the original Vengeance PPV, and that it was just represented by two title belts. Then Triple H turned it into one, and I was like "OK, cool."

When Brock Lesnar took the belt to SmackDown!, and they started calling it the "WWE Championship," I believe that's where they pretty much ignored the WCW Title history in the belt. It was still represented by the same piece of gold as the Undisputed Championship was, but it was no longer called "Undisputed."

Eric Bischoff created a new championship to award to Triple H on RAW, and my theory is that seeing as the WCW Title was imbedded into the WCW Title, and some sort of contract said that it couldn't be revived, he just took the old physical belt that represented the WCW Title, and created the "World Heavyweight Championship" to stir up feelings of the old days.

The World Heavyweight Title is only related to the WCW Title by how they are physically displayed. If the belt is a house, then the WCW Title history was its past residents, and before it was the NWA Title history. Since 2002, the World Heavyweight Championship lineage has been living there.

[Hornicane]

Yeah. It seems like after unifying the titles that the WWE title would have the WCW lineage, but the history says the WHW. It makes more sense witht he WWE title though, since they were unified. They should have just coughed up some dough and made the new WHW title a completely new belt.

[Jeritron]

I was referring to HHH winning the WCW at WM18. That's just how I took it, since both belts were still carried. I figured at the time it still counted as the WCW championship, since physically the belt was still being used and changed hands. I know they were united, but I thought that was just because they were on the same person at the time.
I didn't really consider them combined officially until they became one actual belt.

I don't consider the current WWE World Heavyweight (Big Gold) belt as counting as the WCW championship. For instance, I don't think it's correct to call Batista and Khali "former WCW champions." So that's not what I meant.

But, I do think that it should be considered in the same title history/lineage. The only thing that has changed is promotions it is active under.

[Xero]

Originally Posted by Jeritron I was referring to HHH winning the WCW at WM18. That's just how I took it, since both belts were still carried. I know they were united, but I thought that was just because they were on the same person at the time. I didn't really consider them combined officially until they became one actual belt.

Jericho never defended either one alone, meaning that them being separate titles don't make much sense.

But having both of them gave a hell of a visual.

[Hornicane]

Originally Posted by Jeritron I was referring to HHH winning the WCW at WM18. That's just how I took it, since both belts were still carried. I figured at the time it still counted as the WCW championship, since physically the belt was still being used and changed hands. I know they were united, but I thought that was just because they were on the same person at the time. I didn't really consider them combined officially until they became one actual belt.

That's what I was getting at.

[Xero]

So what Noid, did you miss the following conversation? That was all covered and/or denounced.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Xero So what Noid, did you miss the following conversation? That was all covered and/or denounced.

I know, I was just adding further knowledge into the situation.