Mosh pits

[ct2k]

I've been punched in a pit before, twice, by the same guy, I was 16, he was about 28. I cracked him round the back of his head with a full bottle of beer

Now, in hindsight this could've actually killed him but still, I hope he realised the error of his ways

[IC Champion]

Originally Posted by ct2k I've been punched in a pit before, twice, by the same guy, I was 16, he was about 28. I cracked him round the back of his head with a full bottle of beer Now, in hindsight this could've actually killed him but still, I hope he realised the error of his ways

LOL, I'd hate to see you at a soccer match.

[Blitz]

Originally Posted by Requiem That's not what I'm complaining about though. I said I expect some degree of pushing. There's GOING to be pushing. That's to be expected... moshing right behind me and -crushing- me against the people there, is NOT something I expected after waiting in line for 6 hours and paid $40 for or however much a ticket cost. Nobody has answered me yet.. why does the 'etiquette' dictate that mosh pits happen right in the front and center? Why is it expected of me, the average concert goer, to move off to the sides if I don't want to deal with that? Why does the minority get priority over the vast majority of people who are not moshing, and why do people think it's ok to force people to 'deal with it or move'? Why can't the moshers have a little more respect for people and not force themselves right there? It only sounds like etiquette for other moshers, and not for the other people at the concert.

The people who are moshing all waited as long as you and paid as much as you. You're not owed anything special. I don't know what to tell you about the front and center thing. Most every pit I've seen has been near dead center of the crowd. Front's been pretty safe for me. There are the odd shows where the entire crowd's been crazy, but I've found the pits to be pretty well defined and easy to stay out of if you don't wanna be in there.

[Requiem]

Yeah, but they shouldn't get special treatment either. Some people posting in this thread act like -the moshers- should get special treatment, saying that other people should learn to deal with it.

Maybe the concert I was at was an isolated case of some moshers just being douches, but that experience certainly rubbed me the wrong way and doesn't say anything positive for the people who were involved in it.

And some people here have said if I don't want to be around it, to go toward the sides or back, which certainly indicates that they think the pit should be right up in the front center (which is where this one was at the concert I went to).

If the pit is in the middle of the crowd, then I really don't give a fuck about it and I have no issue with it at all because I'm out of the way.

But it stands to reason that people moshing are going to be paying less attention to the band than the people not moshing, and in WeX's words might have come there primarily for the mosh and second for the music. I really think that people who are moshing are not going to be able to pay attention as much as people who aren't. To me, that is a pretty reasonable assumption. Therefore, there is no reason at all for them to be so close to the front.

I am agreeing with what you are saying here, but only if the pit happens to not be in the front. If it forms in the front, that's when I start to have problems with it, because there is no reason for them to be in the front.

[ron the dial]

Originally Posted by Requiem I really think that people who are moshing are not going to be able to pay attention as much as people who aren't. To me, that is a pretty reasonable assumption. Therefore, there is no reason at all for them to be so close to the front.

definitely wrong. i can hear just fine even when i'm not looking at the stage. don't have to look to be paying attention to music.

and most pits don't go up to the front row. it's in the middle, like blitz said. of course there is the shockwave that stems from the pit, but oh well. its' rare that a most pit goes anywhere near the first 10-15 rows of people tbh (at least at the shows i go to).

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by Requiem i am not even saying that those people can't pay attention to the music.. but what good is it doing them being 10 feet from the front if they're not paying attention to the -band-, which is why people like me want to be in the front in the first place

[ron the dial]

because most people dont' give a fuck about other people and the reasons that they are doing anything?

[Requiem]

don't even know what i'm really arguing, but i suppose 'that^' is what I am getting at.. this thread got kinda off track, but basically the point of all of it i guess is that my experience has been with dickheads, and a lot of people here are confirming some of my thoughts on it, as well as giving me new insight on it.

ie - i could not picture some of you guys being dicks to people at a concert, but i imagine people like st jimmy just saying fuck it and not caring about the people around them at all