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Old 03-30-2004, 12:20 AM   #41
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Hmmmmm...................

I'm actually agreeing with KOOS here CyNick. You usually do a terrific job in convincing me with your arguments, but I'm not feeling you on this one.

AGREED - it would've been better if Benjamin had gone cleanly over Triple H, but you still can't deny that Benjamin wasn't made to look good. His 'status' went up in the fans' eyes tonight.
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Old 03-30-2004, 12:21 AM   #42
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Someone has to defend HHH I guess.
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Old 03-30-2004, 12:21 AM   #43
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If they do that they'll kill Edmonton, hopefully they would be smart enough to wait until they get out of Canada to kill off Benoit.

But I agree HHH is getting the title back soon.

I will also agree that HHH did a good job making Shelton look like a threat. But he didn't put him over to make him a star. He put him over to make him look like he squeeked out a cheap victory over the top guy. Plus, we have to see what happens in the next couple of months with Shelton. Like I said, if he's back to mid card this whole thing will be pointless.
OK - just read this post. Ignore my last response..........for now.
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Old 03-30-2004, 12:22 AM   #44
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Hmmmmm...................

I'm actually agreeing with KOOS here CyNick. You usually do a terrific job in convincing me with your arguments, but I'm not feeling you on this one.

AGREED - it would've been better if Benjamin had gone cleanly over Triple H, but you still can't deny that Benjamin wasn't made to look good. His 'status' went up in the fans' eyes tonight.
Again, only if they continue to push him.

remember that Hurricane pinned Rock on RAW in the exact same manner as this deal. Did Hurricane main event after that?

I have more faith that they at leats want Shelton to be a mid card guy, but I dont think he'll be running with the big dogs on RAW for very long.

Again, hopefully I'm wrong, I pray I'm wrong on this one.
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Old 03-30-2004, 12:22 AM   #45
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Think of it this way.

If Triple H jobbed CLEANLY tonight against Benjamin, then one could argue that it would 'take away' from Benoit's victory (if he gets one) over Triple H at Backlash (since Trips won't look as dominating.....and will look almost human).
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Old 03-30-2004, 12:23 AM   #46
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remember that Hurricane pinned Rock on RAW in the exact same manner as this deal. Did Hurricane main event after that?
lol. *just mentioned that in the other thread like 3 mins ago, almost same wording.*
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Old 03-30-2004, 12:24 AM   #47
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Again, only if they continue to push him.

remember that Hurricane pinned Rock on RAW in the exact same manner as this deal. Did Hurricane main event after that?

I have more faith that they at leats want Shelton to be a mid card guy, but I dont think he'll be running with the big dogs on RAW for very long.

Again, hopefully I'm wrong, I pray I'm wrong on this one.
This I agree with. I loved what I saw happen tonight. But afterwards, it did make me think of Hurricane beating The Rock. As long as Shelton continues to be pushed like this then it will have been a great moment (although even if he isn't, it still is a great moment).

But if he isn't pushed and ends up jobbing to Rhyno (no disrespect) or someone in like 2min...or to HHH in a few weeks, it will have been pretty pointless.
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Old 03-30-2004, 12:29 AM   #48
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I also think The Hurricane/Shelton Benjamin comparison is flawed. If I recall correctly, The Hurricane's match with The Rock was very short.......and he got in very limited offense. The Rock had Hurricane DOWN and OUT before Austin came out. Even when Hurricane won the match, Austin's music was still playing.


In this case, Benjamin looked on Triple H's level right from the get-go.

-He never backed down.
-He punked out Triple H on several occassions in the ring.
-Ric Flair came out to help Triple H (insinuating that Triple H needed help).

I agree with you CyNick that everything is dependent on how much the WWE push Benjamin in the next few months, but I think it's going to happen. Think of it from Triple H's perspective.

(hey....if this kid looked as good as I did, he should DOMINATE the rest of the roster! )
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Old 03-30-2004, 12:31 AM   #49
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I also think The Hurricane/Shelton Benjamin comparison is flawed. If I recall correctly, The Hurricane's match with The Rock was very short.......and he got in very limited offense. The Rock had Hurricane DOWN and OUT before Austin came out. Even when Hurricane won the match, Austin's music was still playing.


In this case, Benjamin looked on Triple H's level right from the get-go.

-He never backed down.
-He punked out Triple H on several occassions in the ring.
-Ric Flair came out to help Triple H (insinuating that Triple H needed help).

I agree with you CyNick that everything is dependent on how much the WWE push Benjamin in the next few months, but I think it's going to happen. Think of it from Triple H's perspective.

(hey....if this kid looked as good as I did, he should DOMINATE the rest of the roster! )

True that.
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Old 03-30-2004, 12:31 AM   #50
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Lets all agree that we need to see how WWE books Shelton.

We'll leave it at that!
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Old 03-30-2004, 12:34 AM   #51
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I also think The Hurricane/Shelton Benjamin comparison is flawed. If I recall correctly, The Hurricane's match with The Rock was very short.......and he got in very limited offense. The Rock had Hurricane DOWN and OUT before Austin came out. Even when Hurricane won the match, Austin's music was still playing.


In this case, Benjamin looked on Triple H's level right from the get-go.

-He never backed down.
-He punked out Triple H on several occassions in the ring.
-Ric Flair came out to help Triple H (insinuating that Triple H needed help).

I agree with you CyNick that everything is dependent on how much the WWE push Benjamin in the next few months, but I think it's going to happen. Think of it from Triple H's perspective.

(hey....if this kid looked as good as I did, he should DOMINATE the rest of the roster! )
Yeah but Hunter's real game plan is that he knows he's getting the title back in the near future, so he needs some new opponents. ISo then HHH can get the title back, and "hey kid, I made you a star, now you gotta JOB to me".

I hate to sound so negative, but I can see by summer time, HHH will be back on top and he will just have a new line up of people to run over. And by the end of the year we'll be back to where we were at the end of last year; Hunter dominant and nobody left to kill.
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Old 03-30-2004, 12:37 AM   #52
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Again, only if they continue to push him.

remember that Hurricane pinned Rock on RAW in the exact same manner as this deal. Did Hurricane main event after that?

I have more faith that they at leats want Shelton to be a mid card guy, but I dont think he'll be running with the big dogs on RAW for very long.

Again, hopefully I'm wrong, I pray I'm wrong on this one.
But did they focus on the Hurricane after he defeated The Rock? No. They showed Austin flipping the Rock off with Austins music in the background. All you saw of the Hurricane was him running away.

With Benjamin they made him the focus after he won, they showed Triple H's expression, then they cut right back to Benjamin raising his hands in victory.

Hurricane's win and Benjamin's win were both booked very differently. I have faith that the WWE will follow through with this.
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Shit I didn't see Heyman's post...
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Old 03-30-2004, 12:40 AM   #54
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Shit I didn't see Heyman's post...
LOL @ you and me agreeing on something WWE related.
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Old 03-30-2004, 01:15 AM   #55
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Eh, I don't know why everyone is assuming this means Triple H is getting back the title soon... Heh. Knowing what is up is cool and all, and yeah, Trips likes to whore the belt, but honestly, Benoit's reign is not gonna be as short as you all think, I think.

Triple H gave Shelton a huge rub tonight. Shelton dominated the match, and won with a distraction. That doesn't drop Triple H's 'status' or whatever at all, but it does put Shelton more over than he was a week ago.

Anyway, people are acting like Triple H is like "So when do I get the belt back?" "Hmm, job to Shelton and you can have it back," and he's like, "Yeah, I guess so."

Triple H tapped out cleanly to Benoit. Then he got pinned by Shelton on RAW. Plenty of guys have jobbed two matches in a row. Triple H ain't going to just drop out of the title hunt (dont think anyone who just lost the belt should really) or the main event, but it doesn't mean every good thing he does is to allow him to do something "bad."

All jokes aside, yes, Triple H's backstage politics are annoying. And they've annoyed me, and just about everyone for a long time. And humorously, people may talk about Triple H is the antichrist, Triple H is Satan, or whatever... But to me, those are just jokes.

I think just about everyone is so overconcerned with Triple H's long title reigns that they are far too cynical when he does a job. Even if he bangs Steph, even if he is tight with Vince, even if he is in the kliq, the guy is a wrestler, and he gets paid to wrestle. Part of wrestling is losing matches.
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Old 03-30-2004, 01:33 AM   #56
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didn't RVD beat Stone Cold clean on one raw? Nothing really came of that either.

oh and for worst champions (IE: scott hall as US champ), well, I don't see Orton being a credible champ either.
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Old 03-30-2004, 01:40 AM   #57
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He lost at WrestleMania, and he lost on Raw tonight. I'm not complaining, but I don't get it.
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Old 03-30-2004, 01:57 AM   #58
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At Wrestlemania, it all begins again. That also includes Triple H's one loss per 12 months. He was just getting it out of the way.
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Old 03-30-2004, 02:02 AM   #59
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You know one thing that amazes me? Triple H, to a large degree, has been proving his internet critics WRONG on multiple occassions.

-He jobbed to Goldberg. People said he'd get the title back in the next PPV. He jobbed AGAIN.

-People said Triple H defeat Goldberg cleanly to win back the title. He didn't. He pinned Kane.

-People said the triple threat main-event for Mania was made so that Trips wouldn't have to JOB. Triple H jobbed.

-People said he'd win the WWE title from Eddie Guerrero......or make him look inferior. Neither of those things happened.

-People said that Triple H couldn't wrestle worth shit anymore. He looked pretty impressive tonight. He looked impressive against Guerrero as well. And NO - his opponents weren't singlehandedly carrying him. Sorry.
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I think his losses are going somewhere such as a new look for Triple H. "I'm not as good as I used to be etc"
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-People said Triple H defeat Goldberg cleanly to win back the title. He didn't. He pinned Kane.
He pinned Goldberg after Evolution distracted Kane.
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****in a, stop bitching. HHH jobs, and people are all like "Uggh, he didn't do it cleanly. Uggh, blah, blah, blah. Just shut up. HHH can do no good in anybody's eyes. The way I see it, even if it was a little bit tainted, a win, any way you can get it, over HHH means SOMETHING. I think this could be a start for a good push for Shelton. Not as a main evener mind you, but as more of an upper mid carder, like Orton.
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lol, so he can win the title from Benoit and hold it for another year.
Yeah, it could also be that he just woke up and finally sees that he has been rubbish lately. I think HHH wont win at Backlash...olright I hope he wont win
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WOW, Heyman, you're actually making good points in this discussion?

But I think that HHH has been doing a good job lately, and I am willing to forgive him if he continues to perform well like he has been lately. I prefer to enjoy wrestling that I watch, so I try to look past what HHH has done in the past as long as he is doing the right thing now.

Oh yeah and Shelton is awesome, I have thought so for a long time. He has a bright future depending on how he is booked from now on of course.
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Old 03-30-2004, 10:39 AM   #65
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Bitch bitch bitch. So it is still cool to bash HHH?
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Bitch bitch bitch. So it is still cool to bash HHH?

You mean you don't think he should die for banging the bosses daughter, blowing Vince, and being an asshole who NEVER EVER loses and that he's probably never going to put anyone over and he will always be on top and he will always make himself be champion at least 9 months out of the year for the rest of his life and he is an asshole and he shouldn't have so much of an ego because HHH is an asshole so shouldn't he die? C'mon BDC whats wrong with you?

Sorry, that wasa annoying to type just as it is probably annoying to read.
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Old 03-30-2004, 12:06 PM   #67
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LOL

People would bitch no matter what happens, simple fact.

Get off of his nuts already.

He jobbed to Benoit, you bitch.

He jobs to Shelton, you bitch.

He doesnt job, you bitch.
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Again, only if they continue to push him.

remember that Hurricane pinned Rock on RAW in the exact same manner as this deal. Did Hurricane main event after that?

I have more faith that they at leats want Shelton to be a mid card guy, but I dont think he'll be running with the big dogs on RAW for very long.

Again, hopefully I'm wrong, I pray I'm wrong on this one.
due to the fact that I LIKE SHELTON BENJAMIN, i dont want him main eventing yet. i dont want to see him feuding with HHH. i dont want to see him in the world title hunt. i mean cmon. ivee never even seen him cut a promo. he is way too green. i would like to see his victory over HHH used to create momentum in the IC title hunt. he's not ready to win the big one. but he's perfect for the IC title.
on that note, Foley is NOT IC champ material, and their should me more guys 'goin' after Orton's title. as it is, the IC title is a prop to boost Orton's credibility (because he isnt as good as people pretend he is)
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due to the fact that I LIKE SHELTON BENJAMIN, i dont want him main eventing yet. i dont want to see him feuding with HHH. i dont want to see him in the world title hunt. i mean cmon. ivee never even seen him cut a promo. he is way too green. i would like to see his victory over HHH used to create momentum in the IC title hunt. he's not ready to win the big one. but he's perfect for the IC title.
on that note, Foley is NOT IC champ material, and their should me more guys 'goin' after Orton's title. as it is, the IC title is a prop to boost Orton's credibility (because he isnt as good as people pretend he is)
Benjamin can get a solid push, but if he beat a top guy, he should become a top guy himself, thats how you make wins and losses matter.

If it was me, I'd give him a win over a mid card guy like a Rhyno or something and then program him with Orton for 2 or 3 months. That way with Evolution, Shelton would stay in the main events on TV.
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Benjamin can get a solid push, but if he beat a top guy, he should become a top guy himself, thats how you make wins and losses matter.

If it was me, I'd give him a win over a mid card guy like a Rhyno or something and then program him with Orton for 2 or 3 months. That way with Evolution, Shelton would stay in the main events on TV.
yeah, me too. i just dont think that shelton benjamin should be world title picture 'top guy', and for his own good. he hasnt been around long enough to develop as a character. and you dont have to be a world title contender for fans to give a shit about you.
bret hart wrestled in the IC division for a long time before steping up to the main event scene. thats the way i think it should be. let him establish himself. let him show the fans what he's about. we all know that SB isnt going to be the world champ this year. probably not even next year.
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People would bitch no matter what happens, simple fact.

Get off of his nuts already.

He jobbed to Benoit, you bitch.

He jobs to Shelton, you bitch.

He doesnt job, you bitch.
But you're not looking at the BIG picture.
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Didnt read the entire thread but here's my take....

I guess Benjamin is on good terms with Batista and Orton because of the OVW days. They simply but in the good word to Hunter to put him over. I dunno...
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Perhaps the answer here lies before the win... before the interuption... before Rick Flair even came out. I'm suprised that nobody noticed Shelton playing headgames with HHH. They're not pushing him as the next main eventer. They're pushing him as the next Kurt Angle. Kurt is one hell of a thinker in the ring. His character is always outsmarting somebody and, comparing him to the game, I'd have to say he can outsmart the cerebral assassin. From hiding his brother under the ring to "playing dead" until his opponent goes to the top rope, he beats HHH anytime, and I don't know about any of you, but Shelton was showing some of those smarts out there last night, using HHH's ego against him.
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Ya know, I am really tired of the HHH-Conspiracy. Think about it, is it quite possible HHH finally realized he is nearing the end of his run. Maybe, he wants his final years to end with a great legacy. If you ask me, WM XX was a classic. Shelton Benjamin is a good sign.

This is just my opinion, but this whole "smark" and "mark" thing is a heaping pile of bullshit. There is no need to do either. Just sit back and enjoy RAW, SmackDown!, and the PPV's.

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^oh big f-uckin deal. He beat hhh, end of story.
You know what im sick of?People slagging of benoit before he gets a chance.Its funny before WM we were all saying how we hope benoit becoems champ and it would be f-ucking cool if he did, and now were getting the same ol bastards saying he shouldn't be champ, lets face it, there well always be people happy/unhappy about things just get the f-uck over it n live with it.Benoti is the champ and deserves to be.Shelton beat hhh which was exactly what we wanted to happen now ppl complain when hhh jobs to, even tho weve been crying out for months on end for this to happen?Give it a break.
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btw that ^ was aimed at some other msg saying shelton didnt win cleanly, sorry bout that.
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Unlike Triple H, Shelton Benjamin has true wrestling ability and was a damn good heavyweight at Minnisota after Lesnar graduated. There's no reason why Benjamin shouldn't have beat Triple H, besides if the creative team is as smart as they think they are Benjamin will have staying power in pivital storylines in the future, or he could challenge Benoit sometime before Backlash in a title match.. It would be similar to the Angle/Benoit series in terms of pure wrestling because both men bring something that's rare to the table and fans now a days want to see more wrestling than entertaining. Triple H is an entertaing champion but sometimes someone else needs to carry the banner..
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Stupid internet "smarks: overgeneralizing and ripping into him cause he's married to Stephanie. It's pathetic. If he wins, everybody complains. If he loses, people still complain. Shut the **** up all ready
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While it could very well be a sign of changes. Which I really hope it is, it should be noted that HHH has put over mid-carders before, mind you vaing not seen the match I can't really judge on the difference between that match and the others.
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