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Old 06-06-2009, 06:16 AM   #41
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What? I don't get what you are saying. If a fighter calls out Kimbo for the first fight of the show, how can this be avoided without actually fixing the show? And they aren't gonna fix the show.
Please... they fix who they want to fight and when. The only thing that is not controlled is the results of the fights. Which is all that really matters anyway. Now maybe Kimbo will go first because they want to see him fight but if you want ratings you will make him fight near the end. And yes the producers and dana get what they want in terms of how the show goes. I have a source who knows first hand
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Old 06-06-2009, 06:23 AM   #42
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To be honest, Dana doesn't have as much stroke as we'd think from what i heard. Supposedly he didn't want to do the US vs UK concept but Spike forced it through.

Not like that matters though, both Dana and Spike want money, ratings equal money and so Kimbo will probably be the last fight of the first go through.
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Old 06-06-2009, 08:57 AM   #43
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Calling it now: the Kimbo TUF fight is gonna get more ratings than the Junie Browning 1st round fight.
Was that even the most watch TUF fight?
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Old 06-06-2009, 02:59 PM   #44
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Yeah there's no way Kimbo fights early. The show isn't rigged in terms of results but they'll make sure Kimbo doens't fight right away. It's pretty easy to do.
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Old 06-06-2009, 03:27 PM   #45
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I thought it was the most watced TUF fight of that season, up there with the one where he got humbled by Efrain.

Then again, shit I'll watch Kimbo fight for the same reason why I watch Junie fighting anyone with talent: I want to see him get his asked kicked.
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Please... they fix who they want to fight and when. The only thing that is not controlled is the results of the fights. Which is all that really matters anyway. Now maybe Kimbo will go first because they want to see him fight but if you want ratings you will make him fight near the end. And yes the producers and dana get what they want in terms of how the show goes. I have a source who knows first hand
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Old 06-06-2009, 07:22 PM   #47
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To be honest, Dana doesn't have as much stroke as we'd think from what i heard. Supposedly he didn't want to do the US vs UK concept but Spike forced it through.

Not like that matters though, both Dana and Spike want money, ratings equal money and so Kimbo will probably be the last fight of the first go through.
Actually he very much wanted to do a US vs. UK concept.

Dana and Spike both have say on who makes the show though. This is why they now have the rule where they want you having 3 pro fights before you get on now. It's weeding out the bad fighters. Dana White also had the idea of fighting to get into the house for the same reason. UFC controlled who fought who so anyone he didn't like the look of got a hard fight with the idea they'd lose and not make the show.

Anyway, I'll be going to the Q&A this Friday with Dana White in Cologne so if anyone has questions, let me know and I'll try and get public answers.
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Old 06-06-2009, 09:44 PM   #48
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Actually he very much wanted to do a US vs. UK concept.

Dana and Spike both have say on who makes the show though. This is why they now have the rule where they want you having 3 pro fights before you get on now. It's weeding out the bad fighters. Dana White also had the idea of fighting to get into the house for the same reason. UFC controlled who fought who so anyone he didn't like the look of got a hard fight with the idea they'd lose and not make the show.

Anyway, I'll be going to the Q&A this Friday with Dana White in Cologne so if anyone has questions, let me know and I'll try and get public answers.
Ok.... you know Rick Lamas? He tried out for this current season showing right now of TUF and a guy he beat made it further in the selection process for no othger reason than he showed up to the tryouts in a fucking Uncle Sam outfit.

Rick is real quiet and works real hard, but thats not entertaining. I am really starting to think your just playing devils advocate because if your not, you are being incredibly naive. Yes they want quality fighters, but they also want drama. A house full of goal driven no-nonsense hard workers will not get high ratings.
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Old 06-07-2009, 08:26 PM   #49
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That's the casting calls. I know 3 guys from my gym with better records than people who made the show who didn't make it. Once you are in the house, it's a different story. Don't make out it isn't when you have no evidence of it being any different than it is. Not a single fighter who made the show in 9 seasons has ever mentioned he got screwed on fight planning. Not one.

And you know boring fighters aren't gonna make the sure. If anyone is really ignorant to believe you are going to get on to a reality show with zero personality then you are an idiot. They won't even let let boring fighters in the fucking company period!
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And who is Rick Lamas? What's his record? I can't find anything on the guy.
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:05 PM   #51
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Considering the fact that Robs sources usually tend to be dead on I wold have to side with him on this.
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You don't need sources. You can see it for yourself. The bottom line is there have been over 100 fighters on that show and there has never been one who came out after and complained about being fixed with a shitty fight or been deliberately held back to fight later in the show or anything. The rules have always beem the same - you get called out and you fight.
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And who is Rick Lamas? What's his record? I can't find anything on the guy.
he stepped in short notice (5 days) in feb or march and beat the fuck out of Bart Palsewski or whatever his name is.... apparently you didnt look too hard.
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You don't need sources. You can see it for yourself. The bottom line is there have been over 100 fighters on that show and there has never been one who came out after and complained about being fixed with a shitty fight or been deliberately held back to fight later in the show or anything. The rules have always beem the same - you get called out and you fight.
Of course the fighters wouldnt say they got deliberately held back or say they had a talking to.... because they dont get talked to. They dont make the matches, the coaches do. Havnt you watched the seasons where the coaches who get to pick all the matches in a row if they keep winning have it all planned out how they want to do it? They might take imput from the fighters, but its the coaches decision... and speaking of just watching the fucking show, did you happen to catch last weeks? Because dana almost went against what either coach wanted to set up the semifinal matches. Now he ended up not doing it but he almost did and made no secret about it. So you mean to tell me he wouldnt and hasnt controlled when a fighter would fight?
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And you know boring fighters aren't gonna make the sure. If anyone is really ignorant to believe you are going to get on to a reality show with zero personality then you are an idiot. They won't even let let boring fighters in the fucking company period!

Considering this is a competition for fighting, one would generally think that the best fighters would be chosen... Now a boring personality vs a boring fighter is totally different.
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he stepped in short notice (5 days) in feb or march and beat the fuck out of Bart Palsewski or whatever his name is.... apparently you didnt look too hard.
Actually I saw that. I didn't know if it was the same guy since he called Ricardo everywhere I looked.


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Of course the fighters wouldnt say they got deliberately held back or say they had a talking to.... because they dont get talked to. They dont make the matches, the coaches do. Havnt you watched the seasons where the coaches who get to pick all the matches in a row if they keep winning have it all planned out how they want to do it? They might take imput from the fighters, but its the coaches decision... and speaking of just watching the fucking show, did you happen to catch last weeks? Because dana almost went against what either coach wanted to set up the semifinal matches. Now he ended up not doing it but he almost did and made no secret about it. So you mean to tell me he wouldnt and hasnt controlled when a fighter would fight?
How does this stop Kimbo being called out in the first fight of the show? That's the entire point and you ain't telling me anything to back up your arguement.

Just answer this - If Max Figher (random name) is in the team with control in the first week and his team chose him to fight Kimbo, how the fuck can this be avoided?


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Considering this is a competition for fighting, one would generally think that the best fighters would be chosen... Now a boring personality vs a boring fighter is totally different.
It's also a reality show and personalities bring ratings. Nobody watches boring people. Might not be right or wrong but that's the way the show has been for 9 seasons and will continue to be until it stops.
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How does this stop Kimbo being called out in the first fight of the show? That's the entire point and you ain't telling me anything to back up your arguement.

Just answer this - If Max Figher (random name) is in the team with control in the first week and his team chose him to fight Kimbo, how the fuck can this be avoided?
Because the coaches make the decisions not the fighters... how many seasons has there been with guys that have beef with eachother and they dont fight right away if at all?

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It's also a reality show and personalities bring ratings. Nobody watches boring people. Might not be right or wrong but that's the way the show has been for 9 seasons and will continue to be until it stops.
Yes I get that. I was just making a point based on the comment you made about the show weeding out the bad fighters and how its rediculous to say such a thing considering they dont bring in the best fighters thay can.
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Oh my god, seriously great job at avoiding the question. The coaches make the decisions eh? When what happens if Rampage is in charge of the picks in the first week and wants his guy to fight Kimbo? How they hell is that avoided?
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I gotta go with Rob here. I dont think Dana would mess with the fights. Too much on the line. All it would take is one peep from somebody anybody that Dana mixes and matches what he wants for the sake of ratings and the show becomes a work. They have too much to lose right now to have that kind of thing get out.
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How does dana deciding when two fighters fight make the show a work?... If he decides who kimbo fights in order to make it a good fight for kimbo, then yes its a work, but putting him the tournament later in order to get a ton of hype for the match for the show is not a work.

Its not even a dishonest thing to do... its a smart thing to do. Its a fucking show that is dependant on ratings.

And there isnt "peeps" from fighters on the show because they dont want to risk opportunities being taken away by dana. We all know how vindictive the guy is when someone does something he doesnt like, and on to of that Ive talked to gideon Ray a lot seeing as he is in the same camp as me and rick, and he has hours of stories of all the fucked up shit that goes on with that show and no one ever says anything about it. And before you start questioning me on that.... look at the old MMA sticky thread that we used to have in the sports forum and see all the stories I posted that he told me about.

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Yeah, I get the feeling that if for example Kimbo was on Rashad's team and Rampage had the choice and wanted to put him in early, there'd be nothing stopping Dana from allowing the fight and Kimbo's opponent but maybe asking/telling Rampage it will happen on a later episode

Then again, I guess it would depend on how who picks the fights are determined in this season. I also know pretty much jack shit btw and could be waaaaay off
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Yeah, I get the feeling that if for example Kimbo was on Rashad's team and Rampage had the choice and wanted to put him in early, there'd be nothing stopping Dana from allowing the fight and Kimbo's opponent but maybe asking/telling Rampage it will happen on a later episode
Exactly. And Dana isn't gonna give favours to ANY FIGHTER in that house.

Apparently there is only one person here who doesn't understand how this show works. It's only been 9 seasons.
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Old 06-09-2009, 05:03 AM   #66
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he just said the same exact thing ive been saying....

and having kimbo fight later isnt a favor to him its beneficial to dana. and favors? like junie browning? ur right dana doesnt give favors.
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He said the same thing you've been saying?
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ummmmmmmmmmmm literally the only thing out of control of the producers or dana white is the outcome of the fights. Thats the whole competition. And as much as dana wants kimbo to crumble, he wants $$$$$$$$ from the ratings thus keeping him on as long as possible..... why do you think they arent fighting their way on the show now?
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I wouldn't be surprised if he fought last. Corey Hill took ages to get in his first fight on the show for similar reasons. I'm just saying the producers can't do shit if say Kimbo is on Rampage's team and a guy on Evans' team wants to fight him first.
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yes they can.... the producers say "no" or "shut up"
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Yeah, I get the feeling that if for example Kimbo was on Rashad's team and Rampage had the choice and wanted to put him in early, there'd be nothing stopping Dana from allowing the fight and Kimbo's opponent but maybe asking/telling Rampage it will happen on a later episode

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What? You said Dana White can control everything but the outcome of fights. I disagree simply because he can't keep Kimbo on the show for a specific time if he gets called out in the first week and then gets killed. How can he control that?
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Well they could do random matches instead of how they normally do it.

Could be interesting.
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Wait didn't they do random matches one season?
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What? You said Dana White can control everything but the outcome of fights. I disagree simply because he can't keep Kimbo on the show for a specific time if he gets called out in the first week and then gets killed. How can he control that?
What im saying is that it doesnt matter if he gets called out. If he ltells the coaches not to put him in a match early, then the coaches will simply put off picking him. There was a lot of times where guys were saying they wanted to fight so and so and it didnt happen right away because the coaches had a differing opinion
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How does it not matter if he is called out? I seriously don't get this. Someone else pipe in here and clear this up.

Roy Nelson and Wes Sims are both gonna be on this show now too. Buh bye Kimbo.
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Roy has gotta be the favourite for this season
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