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To be honest, Dana doesn't have as much stroke as we'd think from what i heard. Supposedly he didn't want to do the US vs UK concept but Spike forced it through.
Not like that matters though, both Dana and Spike want money, ratings equal money and so Kimbo will probably be the last fight of the first go through. |
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Yeah there's no way Kimbo fights early. The show isn't rigged in terms of results but they'll make sure Kimbo doens't fight right away. It's pretty easy to do.
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I thought it was the most watced TUF fight of that season, up there with the one where he got humbled by Efrain.
Then again, shit I'll watch Kimbo fight for the same reason why I watch Junie fighting anyone with talent: I want to see him get his asked kicked. |
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Dana and Spike both have say on who makes the show though. This is why they now have the rule where they want you having 3 pro fights before you get on now. It's weeding out the bad fighters. Dana White also had the idea of fighting to get into the house for the same reason. UFC controlled who fought who so anyone he didn't like the look of got a hard fight with the idea they'd lose and not make the show. Anyway, I'll be going to the Q&A this Friday with Dana White in Cologne so if anyone has questions, let me know and I'll try and get public answers. |
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Rick is real quiet and works real hard, but thats not entertaining. I am really starting to think your just playing devils advocate because if your not, you are being incredibly naive. Yes they want quality fighters, but they also want drama. A house full of goal driven no-nonsense hard workers will not get high ratings. |
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That's the casting calls. I know 3 guys from my gym with better records than people who made the show who didn't make it. Once you are in the house, it's a different story. Don't make out it isn't when you have no evidence of it being any different than it is. Not a single fighter who made the show in 9 seasons has ever mentioned he got screwed on fight planning. Not one.
And you know boring fighters aren't gonna make the sure. If anyone is really ignorant to believe you are going to get on to a reality show with zero personality then you are an idiot. They won't even let let boring fighters in the fucking company period! |
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And who is Rick Lamas? What's his record? I can't find anything on the guy.
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Considering the fact that Robs sources usually tend to be dead on I wold have to side with him on this.
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You don't need sources. You can see it for yourself. The bottom line is there have been over 100 fighters on that show and there has never been one who came out after and complained about being fixed with a shitty fight or been deliberately held back to fight later in the show or anything. The rules have always beem the same - you get called out and you fight.
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Considering this is a competition for fighting, one would generally think that the best fighters would be chosen... Now a boring personality vs a boring fighter is totally different. |
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Just answer this - If Max Figher (random name) is in the team with control in the first week and his team chose him to fight Kimbo, how the fuck can this be avoided? It's also a reality show and personalities bring ratings. Nobody watches boring people. Might not be right or wrong but that's the way the show has been for 9 seasons and will continue to be until it stops. |
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If the contestants are boring, nobody will watch, and therefore the show will not continue to air.
Interesting contestants = Questionable legitimacy + Ratings Boring contestants = No show |
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Someone gets it.
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Yes I get that. I was just making a point based on the comment you made about the show weeding out the bad fighters and how its rediculous to say such a thing considering they dont bring in the best fighters thay can. |
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Oh my god, seriously great job at avoiding the question. The coaches make the decisions eh? When what happens if Rampage is in charge of the picks in the first week and wants his guy to fight Kimbo? How they hell is that avoided?
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I gotta go with Rob here. I dont think Dana would mess with the fights. Too much on the line. All it would take is one peep from somebody anybody that Dana mixes and matches what he wants for the sake of ratings and the show becomes a work. They have too much to lose right now to have that kind of thing get out.
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How does dana deciding when two fighters fight make the show a work?... If he decides who kimbo fights in order to make it a good fight for kimbo, then yes its a work, but putting him the tournament later in order to get a ton of hype for the match for the show is not a work.
Its not even a dishonest thing to do... its a smart thing to do. Its a fucking show that is dependant on ratings. And there isnt "peeps" from fighters on the show because they dont want to risk opportunities being taken away by dana. We all know how vindictive the guy is when someone does something he doesnt like, and on to of that Ive talked to gideon Ray a lot seeing as he is in the same camp as me and rick, and he has hours of stories of all the fucked up shit that goes on with that show and no one ever says anything about it. And before you start questioning me on that.... look at the old MMA sticky thread that we used to have in the sports forum and see all the stories I posted that he told me about. Last edited by Reavant; 06-08-2009 at 09:15 PM. |
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Yeah, I get the feeling that if for example Kimbo was on Rashad's team and Rampage had the choice and wanted to put him in early, there'd be nothing stopping Dana from allowing the fight and Kimbo's opponent but maybe asking/telling Rampage it will happen on a later episode
Then again, I guess it would depend on how who picks the fights are determined in this season. I also know pretty much jack shit btw and could be waaaaay off |
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So when does this show air?
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Apparently there is only one person here who doesn't understand how this show works. It's only been 9 seasons. |
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he just said the same exact thing ive been saying....and having kimbo fight later isnt a favor to him its beneficial to dana. and favors? like junie browning? ur right dana doesnt give favors.
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He said the same thing you've been saying?
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What? You said Dana White can control everything but the outcome of fights. I disagree simply because he can't keep Kimbo on the show for a specific time if he gets called out in the first week and then gets killed. How can he control that?
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Well they could do random matches instead of how they normally do it.
Could be interesting. |
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Wait didn't they do random matches one season?
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What im saying is that it doesnt matter if he gets called out. If he ltells the coaches not to put him in a match early, then the coaches will simply put off picking him. There was a lot of times where guys were saying they wanted to fight so and so and it didnt happen right away because the coaches had a differing opinion
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How does it not matter if he is called out? I seriously don't get this. Someone else pipe in here and clear this up.
Roy Nelson and Wes Sims are both gonna be on this show now too. Buh bye Kimbo. |
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Roy has gotta be the favourite for this season
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