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Old 08-24-2015, 02:58 PM   #1
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Don't like how TNA treats finishers like regular moves in big matches.
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:16 PM   #2
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Don't like how TNA treats finishers like regular moves in big matches.
And WWE doesn't. Is the AA even a finisher any more?
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:39 PM   #3
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And WWE doesn't. Is the AA even a finisher any more?
Correct WWE does the same for some finishers.
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Old 08-24-2015, 02:59 PM   #4
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Also hate how ROH overbooks big matches sometimes.
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:00 PM   #5
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Not saying WWE does things right, basically all their midcard matches are pointless.
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:19 PM   #6
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Call it finisher tolerance

If you hit a wrestler with a finisher the first time it murders them, but by the time they've been hit with it 100000 times they build up some immunity to it

Only logical explanation
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:40 PM   #7
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Call it finisher tolerance

If you hit a wrestler with a finisher the first time it murders them, but by the time they've been hit with it 100000 times they build up some immunity to it

Only logical explanation
How do you explain the RKO? The mostly deadly finisher there is.
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:32 PM   #8
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I like Drofords explanation.
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:41 PM   #9
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The Venom from The Viper cancels out any tolerance.
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:51 PM   #10
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How do you explain the RKO? The mostly deadly finisher there is.
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The Venom from The Viper cancels out any tolerance.
It's funny because I repped him for that post and hit him with an RKO OUTTA NOWHERE and called into question his finisher tolerance.
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It's funny because I repped him for that post and hit him with an RKO OUTTA NOWHERE and called into question his finisher tolerance.
No reply = low/no tolerance
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Old 08-24-2015, 04:00 PM   #12
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Sheamus' pasty white skin must be an antidote
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Old 08-24-2015, 04:20 PM   #13
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Ugh did Sheamus kick out of an RKO last night? ...Dunno what to believe in now.
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Ugh did Sheamus kick out of an RKO last night? ...Dunno what to believe in now.
He went for a shoulder block of the top rope and Orton hit the rko but Sheamus rolled out of the ring.
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Old 08-24-2015, 04:25 PM   #15
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Did he really? I missed that match...

Has anyone ever kicked out of an RKO? Probably John Cena...
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Old 08-24-2015, 04:30 PM   #16
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I imagine Undertaker probably kicked out of it in their WM match... can't remember.... but that was before it gained Viper Powers anyways....
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Old 08-24-2015, 05:58 PM   #18
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Or you could just not book the match.
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:42 PM   #19
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Or you could just not book the match.


You guys weren't entertained by Taker/Lesnar last night? I certainly was, and the theater I went to was greatly entertained as well.


Wrestlemania will be in Undertaker's home state of Texas. It will likely be Taker's last match, and Taker will likely lose to Brock a la Flair/HBK a la HBK/Taker. It will be a true Wrestlemania moment.


After all that Undertaker has done of this business and the WWE, he deserves a final farewell in his home state, along with a proper Ric Flair-like send-off.


Sorry, but I completely disagree with you here.
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You guys weren't entertained by Taker/Lesnar last night? I certainly was, and the theater I went to was greatly entertained as well.


Wrestlemania will be in Undertaker's home state of Texas. It will likely be Taker's last match, and Taker will likely lose to Brock a la Flair/HBK a la HBK/Taker. It will be a true Wrestlemania moment.


After all that Undertaker has done of this business and the WWE, he deserves a final farewell in his home state, along with a proper Ric Flair-like send-off.


Sorry, but I completely disagree with you here.
I thought the fight at the end of Rush Hour 3 was entertaining, doesn't mean they should have made Rush Hour 3 though.
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:46 PM   #21
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There really doesn't need to be a third Undertake vs. Lesnar.

Taker "won", but Brock got the "moral victory." It would be more interesting if Undertaker gloated about his victory, only for Brock to be like "whatever, you know I won, I'm done with you."

Taker could get angry that no one gives him credit for beating the beast, which could lead to a bitter, biker-esque Taker run. It could work.
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Old 08-24-2015, 07:35 PM   #22
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Couldn't you get the same (or bigger) Mania moment at Cowboy Stadium against Cena? That would at least be a Mania match we've never seen before. Why sacrifice Lesnar to a guy who only likely has one match left when you could have given the rub of beating him to almost literally anyone else? I get why they went with the finish they went with. I don't get why they went with the match in the first place.
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Couldn't you get the same (or bigger) Mania moment at Cowboy Stadium against Cena? That would at least be a Mania match we've never seen before. Why sacrifice Lesnar to a guy who only likely has one match left when you could have given the rub of beating him to almost literally anyone else? I get why they went with the finish they went with. I don't get why they went with the match in the first place.
This is why:
"Guys how can we let Rollins keep the belt after his match with Brock tomorrow?"

"ummmm uhhh- MakeTakerInterfere!"
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Couldn't you get the same (or bigger) Mania moment at Cowboy Stadium against Cena? That would at least be a Mania match we've never seen before. Why sacrifice Lesnar to a guy who only likely has one match left when you could have given the rub of beating him to almost literally anyone else? I get why they went with the finish they went with. I don't get why they went with the match in the first place.


1) I agree about Cena/Taker, but I think there's something to be said about Taker having his final match ever in front of his home state of Texas.


2) Lesnar - Lesnar will ultimately be used to put someone over at Mania, but the timing and opponent has to be right. Outside of Cena, Reigns is really only that guy in my opinion. I would rather see Reigns go over Cena or Rollins for the title at this Wrestlemania 2016, and then have Reigns look extremely dominant between Wrestlemania 2016-2017. This will also give Reigns some more time to develop as a wrestler and performer. In the mean-time, you can have Lesnar "end" Undertaker at Wrestlemania 2016, and then have him destroy other guys during 2016 (i.e. Cena again, and perhaps Reigns' good buddy Dean Ambrose).


THEN - you can have Reigns go over Lesnar cleanly at Wrestlemania 2017.
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Dude you are so hung up on rollins v reigns as your 3w main event that you are blindly booking out of your ass.


Why sacrifice lesnar When taker could wrestle the fucking barbarian or warlord at mania and get his send off. The opponent matters not. And the least he could do is lose the beer gut

And you are thinking of having reigns go over lesnar clean at 33 in lesnars hometown and you think THAT is gonna go over well?
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Dude you are so hung up on rollins v reigns as your 3w main event that you are blindly booking out of your ass.

Because, outside of Cena, Reigns, and Rollins, there really isn't anyone else that is worthy of main-eventing Mania right now. Lesnar will be pre-occupied with Taker, while guys like Rusev, Bray Wyatt, Cesaro, etc., won't realistically be built up enough between now and Mania' to be worthy of such a spot. Nor will Kevin Owens, and I doubt that the WWE will re-push Sheamus or Orton to that level.


So - you either go with Reigns-Rollins, or Reigns-Cena. I personally think they'll do Reigns-Rollins at Mania.


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Why sacrifice lesnar When taker could wrestle the fucking barbarian or warlord at mania and get his send off. The opponent matters not. And the least he could do is lose the beer gut.

Because, Taker and Lesnar are already in a heated rivalry. Either one of Lesnar or Taker going cleanly over the other guy at Summerslam would have been a bad decision. Lesnar going over Taker would have been bad since it would've continued to make Taker look weak, while giving him limited momentum heading into Mania' in his home state (to which, he'd either go over some random mid-carder in a lackluster match - his final match - OR, go up against John Cena......and hence - sort of ending his career on a sour note due to consecutive losses to different wrestlers).


On the flip side - Lesnar losing cleanly would have been a horrible booking decision since you need to keep Lesnar strong once he inevitably does a job to either Reigns or Rollins at Wrestlemania 2017.


Taker-Lesnar at Wrestlemania 2016 is perfect, because there's emotion behind Taker's last match in his home state, while it also further adds to Lesnar's legacy because he was the guy to end Taker's streak AND his career.

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I didn't realize Wrestlemania 2017 was going to be in Lesnar's hometown. Regardless - I'd still have Reigns go over. Cena's been in environments just as hostile at Reigns would be in this scenario, and the 'kid' demographic still loved Cena.
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Because, outside of Cena, Reigns, and Rollins, there really isn't anyone else that is worthy of main-eventing Mania right now. Lesnar will be pre-occupied with Taker, while guys like Rusev, Bray Wyatt, Cesaro, etc., won't realistically be built up enough between now and Mania' to be worthy of such a spot. Nor will Kevin Owens, and I doubt that the WWE will re-push Sheamus or Orton to that level.
Well, I mean after his recent semi-burial it'd take some work but there's still ample time to build DEAN. FUCKING. AMBROSE. into a credible guy who crowds would back as champ. And as loathe as I am to suggest him, we don't yet know, I don't think anyway, if Bryan might return. If he did and they were super-duper desparate they could give him a Rumble win to "make up" for last year. Also, IMO they could bring back Kane in his original outfit and mask, to his 1st theme and entrance vid, and have him just start demolishing main eventers and getting a dominant win in the 2016 Rumble where he reclaims his record for eliminations.

I'm not saying any of those guys are likely to be options looked at by Vince and/or Triple H, but I wanted to at least try and think outside the box of guys you listed. And, yeah, Cena? As world champ? AGAIN?! No disrespect, Heyman, but, yeah...nobody wants to see that again. NOBODY.
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Couldn't you get the same (or bigger) Mania moment at Cowboy Stadium against Cena? That would at least be a Mania match we've never seen before. Why sacrifice Lesnar to a guy who only likely has one match left when you could have given the rub of beating him to almost literally anyone else? I get why they went with the finish they went with. I don't get why they went with the match in the first place.
there is no "sacrificing", Brock is granite, especially in that situation
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Would've felt better about Taker/Lesnar at Mania 32had Taker lost a close match last night. Could use the "I have to know" gimmick, drawing out Lesnar one more time only to lose for the final time.

Or have him lose last night, allow Brock to moveon, and have Taker answer a Cena challenge at Mania to give it one more go at taking out a top guy.
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would have felt ok with taker/lesnar at 32 if.... taker hadn't fought wyatt at mania 31
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Yeah, sorry Heyman; but I'm not on board with Taker vs. Lesnar VIII or whatever it is now. I'm just not wrapped up in that story. Taker is almost certainly going to wrestle at Mania, but I'm not sure who they put him against. The best suggestion I've seen is actually Shawn Michaels. Fuck it, I'd take Luke Harper before Brock Lesnar at this point.

The money match for Lesnar is against Stone Cold Steve Austin.
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Yeah, sorry Heyman; but I'm not on board with Taker vs. Lesnar VIII or whatever it is now. I'm just not wrapped up in that story. Taker is almost certainly going to wrestle at Mania, but I'm not sure who they put him against. The best suggestion I've seen is actually Shawn Michaels. Fuck it, I'd take Luke Harper before Brock Lesnar at this point.

The money match for Lesnar is against Stone Cold Steve Austin.


Few things:


1) HBK said that he will never wrestle again


2) Austin will never wrestle again as he is too physically crippled (although I have heard contrasting reports that state that Austin *would* come back for one last match if the storyline was right?).


3) The problem with most people not wanting Taker/Lesnar at Mania', is that they think that Taker can simply job like a bitch to Brock (again), and then expect the fans to be excited at the idea of Taker fighting someone at Wrestlemania. Unfortunately, that's not how things work......which leads me to #4.


4) On the other side of the spectrum, you can't have Lesnar job to 50 year old Taker because this makes Brock look really bad.....and now all that time you spent re-building the credibility of Brock over the past two years, takes a major hit.


The WWE's biggest goal should be to make both Undertaker and Lesnar look very strong for a few reasons:


A) By having Lesnar look strong, and having him be the guy that ends BOTH the streak and career of Taker, it further adds to Brock's legacy, while also making the guy that eventually does go over Brock, look even MORE credibile.


B) By having Taker look strong, and not looking like a complete bitch by not getting revenge on Brock, it pays respects to Undertaker's career and legacy. A guy that his given his life to the WWE, should not be made to look like a bitch. Hence - I'm glad that Taker was made to look like he pushed Lesnar at Summerslam. A 3rd match adds to the Taker/Lesnar rivalry, and Taker will also get his wish of "giving back to the business" when he does his final JOB to Brock in front of his hometown fans.


The WWE Universe then gets treated to another Ric Flair-esque retirement the next night on RAW.


For all these reasons, I think Taker/Brock III (IV if you count 2003) is by far the best way to go.
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Wrestlemania 2016 main-event: Roman Reign vs. Seth Rollins...........double turn?


Ok. To satisy our little resident fuckboy NormanSmiley, I've come up with a scenario that might be a good idea. Have Reigns vs. Rollins at Mania, but have them do a double turn during the match (a la Bret/Austin). However - Rollins defeats Reigns cleanly and the fans go wild with joy.


The next night on RAW, Reigns tells the fans that he will never forgive or forget the fans' betrayal and treatment of him. From this point onwards, Reigns becomes a heel for the next 10+ years regardless of how the fans react to Reigns' new heel character. In many ways, Reigns become the INVERSE of John Cena (i.e. acting like a heel regardless of how the crowd reacts).


Rollins on the other hand, turns face after Wrestlemania and the WWE gives him a shot of trying to prove himself as a Face champion.
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I think Rollins will one day be a big babyface, but right now he's just such a slimeball. I'd probably go with the Shield Triple Threat at Mania.

Still not on board with Lesnar vs. Undertaker. Sorry, man. I'm not saying you don't make sense; I just don't want to see it. A lot of Brock's programs since he's been back have just been hammering him against the same guy, and I'd feel it'd be more of the same with Taker. I want to see Brock in a situation he hasn't been in before. But that's just me.
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Jesus heyman for one your ideas are all overly drawn out forced shit. And second im not sure you know what the term fuckboy means.


If you want reigns to be over with the crowd turn him heel. Monday. On raw. Sinple. Done.
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If you want reigns to be over with the crowd turn him heel. Monday. On raw. Sinple. Done.

Again - I have no problem with Reigns turning heel, PROVIDED that someone of equal stature on the heel side turns face to balance things out. Unfortunately, other than Rollins, I'm not really sure if anyone fits that description.


Bray Wyatt would've been a decent guy to turn face, but with this new Wyatt having joined the group, I don't see Wyatt turning any time soon.
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Right now I would go with keeping lesnar gone and if possible try to keep him as a surprise entrant in the rumble. Have lesnar and kevin owens dominate the rumble while not interacting much. Owens v lesnar as last two in the rumble.

Lesnar takes it making him two time rumble winner adding to his resume. Elevates owens.

Rollins holds title til mania and you have a solid main even for brock to finally reclaim his title kept away from him for a year.

Give me wyatt over sting

Give me heels reigns over bryan

Give me cena over taker. And takers walk up the ramp has to include him walking past all his mania opponents slowly with the exception of gonzalez bossman and punk obviously.

Tag match

Some match with the broads

And some filler.
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Rollins holds title til mania and you have a solid main even for brock to finally reclaim his title kept away from him for a year.

My problem with Rollins/Lesnar, is that it was done earlier this year. Wrestlemania main-events are usually about matches that we've never seen before, or matches that we haven't seen in quite some time. I have no issue with Lesnar/Rollins at some point, but not for Wrestlemania 2016.

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Not a bad idea, but I don't think the WWE will disrespect Sting again by having him job two Wrestlemania's in a row (although this could be nullified IF Sting defeats Rollins for the title next month and has a brief transitional reign before jobbing the title back).

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I'd be ok with this, but I'm not even sure if Bryan will be back.

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Cena/Taker was my original idea as well, but I think the WWE are committed to Lesnar/Taker again. Undertaker jobbing to Lesnar (within the next month or two), and then challenging Cena for Mania doesn't make much storyline sense in my opinion.
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