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Old 12-25-2006, 11:00 PM   #761
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Old 12-26-2006, 01:33 PM   #762
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Besides all the trade talk, who do you think will be MLB's next new break out stars?

Brandon McCarthy is a top candidate of course, but who else comes to mind?

I think of Howie Kendrick in Anaheim. He played last season for about a quarter of a season, playing 1st base (not his position) he hit .285 or something. He should get proper playing time at his natural position next year, 2nd base.

Who else??
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Old 12-26-2006, 02:18 PM   #763
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Old 12-26-2006, 03:10 PM   #764
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Old 12-26-2006, 03:15 PM   #765
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I wouldn't go with McCarthy. The Sox just unloaded him after praising him for years, so maybe there's something wrong with him. Even if there isn't his numbers will be inflated in Arlington.

Howie Kendrick is a decent one but I don't know, the last couple of "big prospects" the Angels have had have disapointed.

The obvious choice is Delmon Young.
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Old 12-26-2006, 03:22 PM   #766
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The Yankees and Diamondbacks might be working on a trade to get Unit sent back to Arizona. I'd love it if this went down. Johnson is good for a back of the rotation arm now (in the AL East anyway, he'd probably fare better in the NL), but he makes a lot more money than a 4th or 5th starter, not to mention how crappy his back is now.

We should unload him for prospects like we did with Sheffield. We need a first baseman, but I don't see Arizona parting with Connor Jackson or Chad Tracy.

If we free up Johnson's salary we can go after Zito if we see fit, or Roger Clemens. I kind of like the idea of Clemens since he'd only sign on a year to year basis (and who the hell knows what kind of deal Zito is gonna get), which would give us room for Philip Hughes (or Humbeto Sanchez) to make his way into the rotation in a year or two.

The way I see it, is either Pavano or Johnson are going.
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Old 12-26-2006, 03:30 PM   #769
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Other breakout candidates:
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We should unload him for prospects like we did with Sheffield. We need a first baseman, but I don't see Arizona parting with [...]Chad Tracy.
They've been shopping him. 95% positive (from my perspective) that he would be the major leaguer going the other way.
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We'll probably trade him for a reliever then. I don't know why, our bullpen is stacked, but Cashman seems to be obsessed with stockpiling relievers this offseason.
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According to his agent, Keith Foulke is close to a one-year deal with a mutual option with the Indians.

Angels agreed to terms with infielder Shea Hillenbrand, who had been with the Giants, to a one-year, $6.5 million contract with a vesting club option for 2008.
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Foulke probably won't pan out but he's a decent risk/reward pickup for the Indians, who desperately need a closer.

I guess I was wrong about Hillenbrand to the Yankees.
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Christ I hope the Yanks don't trade RJ. I have a bad feeling Zito would pick the Yanks over the Mets no matter what the offer even though Zito would obviously be better off on the Mets.

No Zito, no World Series. It's simple really. A balky Pedro, old Glavine, and maybe even older El Duque doesn't win you a championship.
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Old 12-27-2006, 12:15 PM   #776
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We'll probably trade him for a reliever then. I don't know why, our bullpen is stacked, but Cashman seems to be obsessed with stockpiling relievers this offseason.
Maybe he doesn't hold out much hope for the back of our rotation?
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He knows Torre is gonna play one reliever every day til his arm falls off, so he's stacking up the bullpen.
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Am I the only one who thinks Zito won't be able to handle the "New York scene"
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oh man, Zito as a Yankee

I'll def have to go to NY for a game next year if he pitches.
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I actually think Zito would fit well in NY cause Damon is there. Those two were pretty close in Oakland.
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Zito's quirkiness, IMO, would fit in real good in NY. Come on Mets pick him up before the Yanks do... or Jays.
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Scott Boras is probably jerking off right now because it will probably come down to a bidding war between the Yankees and Mets.
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Personally, at first I was just saying it as a counterpoint for discussion, but Zito on the Rangers seems like the best fit, for Zito and the team, in my opinion. It just sucks for the A's that they just know they can't bring good players back. I don't get how the Twins have managed to keep Hunter, Radke, Santana, Stewart etc. all those years but the marquee A's players are never re-signed before they become overpriced.
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Court rules feds are entitled to baseball steroid testing data

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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- The names and urine samples of about 100 Major League Baseball players who tested positive three years ago can be used by federal investigators, a court ruled Wednesday -- a decision that could have implications for Barry Bonds.
The ruling from the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals could bolster the government's perjury case against Bonds if investigators are able to link his name to a positive test from baseball's anonymous testing in 2003.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

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I wonder how much money Boras makes, and also I wonder how he can continue to be a hardass agent when he has already made so much. Like I dont get how he hasn't lost the 'drive' for ridiculous contracts
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Who is the Boras like hockey agent? I always thought it was Boras himself, but I looked him up on Wikipedia and he seems to only be baseball. If it helps, I know the guy I am thinking of represents Marian Gaborik.
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I wonder how much money Boras makes, and also I wonder how he can continue to be a hardass agent when he has already made so much. Like I dont get how he hasn't lost the 'drive' for ridiculous contracts
I don't know the guy, but I'd bet a lot of it has to do with ego.
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Old 12-28-2006, 11:20 AM   #789
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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Barry Zito to Giants

On MLB.com

ESPN is reporting the figures to be 8 years, $125 million

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Old 12-28-2006, 11:39 AM   #790
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shit. Out of all the Cali teams, he chooses the worst.
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I don't know the guy, but I'd bet a lot of it has to do with ego.
My personal favorite is Drew Rosenhaus, I don't think he represents baseball players though. It was hilarious when he was on the BK commerical making fun of his press conference with Terrell Owens. He also saved some little girl who was choking or something and he was like "yeah for once I'm the good guy"
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My personal favorite is Drew Rosenhaus, I don't think he represents baseball players though. It was hilarious when he was on the BK commerical making fun of his press conference with Terrell Owens. He also saved some little girl who was choking or something and he was like "yeah for once I'm the good guy"
osenhaus predicted that, under his representation, McGahee would be a first-round NFL draft pick in the 2003 NFL draft. A seemingly arrogant prediction at the time, Rosenhaus also offered to waive his standard three-percent commission and work for free if McGahee failed to be drafted in the first round. During the Draft, cameras would cut to live shots of McGahee and Rosenhaus talking on their cellular phones, giving the impression that they were communicating with teams interested in drafting McGahee. What wasn't known until after the Draft was that McGahee was, in fact, talking to Rosenhaus, seated right next to him.

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lol Rosenhaus is the fuckin man
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Old 12-28-2006, 12:22 PM   #793
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My personal favorite is Drew Rosenhaus, I don't think he represents baseball players though. It was hilarious when he was on the BK commerical making fun of his press conference with Terrell Owens. He also saved some little girl who was choking or something and he was like "yeah for once I'm the good guy"
lol but after that he said something along the lines of "I hope this helps my negations with the Eagles."

What a dick, which is what makes him a good agent.
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Old 12-28-2006, 01:07 PM   #794
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Why the hell would anyone want to play for the Giants now?
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Old 12-28-2006, 02:58 PM   #795
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Zito has 126 million reasons to want to play in San Fransico [/T.O's publist answering for Zito]
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Old 12-28-2006, 04:26 PM   #796
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As a Metropolitan fan, my outlook on the Zito signing is this:

Yeah, I definitely definitely wanted Zito here, yeah it would have been a great situation for him. But the Giants aren't a terrible place for him either. Well, except for the whole he's never going to win anything there thing.

No one should be shocked. This is a typical Boras signing. Get your client the most money without any actual regard for whether or not the client will be happy where you put him. Barry will be happy with his 18 mil, but he won't be happy next year and the year after on a team that is probably at least 3 years from competing. And the longer Bonds stays, he makes it worse.

As a fan, I do not want my team putting 126 mil into someone who pitches every 5th day. I could see if its and everyday player, but consider he's a pitcher which even though he's never missed a start makes him more injury prone than most. And the fact that I don't want that kind of money tied up into that type of pitcher who is more a solid number 2 than an ace.

I too wanted him here, but not for that kind of money. and Personally, I probably wouldn't have wanted him here for 6 @ 100 either. So let the baby have its bottle and watch all parties involved be miserable in 2 years.
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The Giants aren't even 3 years from competing. They're the oldest team in baseball and they have a crappy farm system and a crappy GM who can't compensate for the farm system. Also, they have to deal with Barry Bonds.

They aren't going to be any better because Zito and Jason Schmidt can basically be looked at as equals for the next few years. It's a step in the right direction for the Giants but they are still going to be terrible for the next few years unless they somehow make some huge acquisitions next offseason; even more than the Cubs did this offseason.
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Good point made by Steve Phillips

After the Zito signing...be on the lookout for Carlos Zambrano to make $150 million or more next offseason

Hell, then Johan Santana after 2008 may be the first player to ask for $30 million a year

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Wow, never would have expected that. It seems like a perfect signing for player and team though.
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I wouldn't call it a perfect signing, but Zito gets to stay in the Bay Area, which is what I assumed he wanted the whole time. He's a west coast surfer dude kind of guy, so he'll be comfortable there. Plus he's in the NL now in the shittiest division in baseball, so his numbers will most likely improve.

On the Flip side, the Giants are insane. Zito is not a #1 starter by no means anymore. I mean he'll be that on the Giants, but he's not even a top 10 pitcher out there. I Love Barry Zito, but I'm not going to pass him off as an elite player. That money is crazy, especially for a team struggling all over the place. They give all this money to one guy when they could build there team up at a few positions for that money.

I dunno, we'll see in a couple years whether it was worth it. But I'm going to say no way.
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