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Old 12-22-2009, 05:52 PM   #1
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So as I was sitting here on my computer around 11 last night playing "who's the guy" with other Yankee fans over at RAB, and all these names being thrown around as to who Cashman was eyeing. Greinke, Josh Johnson, Ted Lilly, King Felix, Brian Bannister, Zach Duke. All guys who were cheap since a report came out that we wern't taking a salary dump contact, i.e. Derek Lowe.

I think 1 guy guessed Javy Vazquez. Who would of thought that when I checked my phone at work today that's who we got. No Ben Sheets, no Justin Duchsherer, former Yank Javy Vazquez. Shocked and rather pissed, I am. I hope in the long run these new numbers Javy put up don't come back bite Cashman in the ass.

Melky, Dunn, and a prospect get sent down to Atlanta. Kinda sad to see Melky go, he's done alot at the plate and in the outfield. I'm really gonna miss him.

So once again, things get interesting in Left Field. Dragon is right on 2 points. The door is open for Johnny Damon once again, that's if he takes a pay cut. Or today is Brett Gardner's lucky day.

5th spot goes to Joba I assume. Unless Girardi is kind enough to let Hughes compete alongside during spring training.

Such is life.
Gardner being an every day Left Fielder? I will eat crow if this turns out to be the case. But, I don't think so Cash has a history at these mind games. Think about it this was the same man who in 2009 said Swisher was gonna be our first baseman and then zoned in on Tex.

I am willing to bet a lot of money that this is the same situation. Watch, in 2 weeks time we'll find out the Yankees got Holliday, or Bay, or Damon or traded for a serviceable Left Fielder.

I just do not believe for one sec that this is the end. I believe Cash has one more trick up his sleeve.
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Old 12-22-2009, 05:48 PM   #2
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You guys are crazy if you don't think this is yet again another rape deal for Cashman.

Melky Cabrera is a league average CF - a good player but he's easily replaceable - especially when you have a similar player in Brett Gardner AND Jamie Hoffman.

Javier Vazquez is a fucking Cy Young candidate.

Vazquez pitched well half a season in NY he just blew up second half. The Yanks never really gave him a chance. He's exactly what you need at the new Yankee Stadium, a high K pitcher.

Look at his 2009 for fucks sake
15-10, 2.87, 238Ks, 1.026 WHIP

That's Cy Young level shit right there. What's scary is the Yankees look at him as a number 3 or 4 starter. He's better than Burnett and those are better numbers than my man Cheeburger Cheeburger put up last year albeit in the NL.

So we lost a marginal outfielder who we already have a replacement for, a solid prospect 3 years away from the bigs at least and a marginal relief prospect. All for a high K veteran pitcher likely more mature and adept at pitching in pressure situations coming off a Cy Young caliber year.

I don't know if Cash can touch last season's moves (hard to beat signing the top 3 free agents on the market) but he's pretty fucking close this year. We've EXCEEDED our needs this offseason already. We needed a number 3 starter and were looking high risk high reward and traded for Vazquez. Our OF had a hole in it and we sign a young toolsy guy tailor made for our ballpark who also happens to be a great CF. What do we lose? A few mediocre prospects, a marginal CF, a marginal lefty out of the bullpen a possible future number 4 pitcher and a guy who may one day be as good as our new centerfielder.

And we get to keep Montero, Hughes, Romaine, Chamberlain, Melancon, Betances, Brackman, McCallister and De La Rosa.

What more could you ask for really
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Old 12-22-2009, 05:52 PM   #3
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Oh no money, I'm sure the Yankees are worried about that
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Old 12-22-2009, 06:01 PM   #4
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Oh no money, I'm sure the Yankees are worried about that
Especially when its only $500,000 dollars. That'll buy you a league-minimum player.
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I will miss Melk man though, Robinson Cano weeps
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Old 12-22-2009, 05:53 PM   #6
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I agree with you, I don't think Gardner will be our LF my point was that we already had 2 similar players to Melky Cabrera.
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Old 12-22-2009, 05:57 PM   #7
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You might see Cashman call Damon's bluff. I haven't seen any other teams linked to him at all. He just lost basically all of his leverage. Cashman should offer him a one year deal at 9 million with an option or something and see what he says
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Even now though, look at this fucking team:

Jeter
Johnson
Teixeira
A-Rod
Posada
Granderson
Cano
Swisher
Gardner

Cheeburger Cheeburger
AJ
Javy
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Chamberlain/Hughes

Rivera
Chamberlain/Hughes
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Edwar Ramirez Wishlist/Mark Melancon
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I think Gardner is just as capable as Melky in playing LF this year. Not that he'll be there opening day but I'm sure he could do just as well as Melky. I'd say there's a good chance its either Damon, DeRosa (not sure about that) or Gardner. Or some lesser role player type guy.

If they did end up staying with Gardner I'd think Granderson(LF)-Gardner(CF)-Swisher(RF) is the right move. Even though there wasn't a huge sample size Gardner was top 5 defensive CF last year.
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FakeRazor sees my point on Vasquez. And yes, I agree that Vasquez is better than Burnett. I don't say that because I'm a bitter Jays fan, his number tell the tale. Vasquez tends to gas in the 2nd half. Did so again last year, W/L and ERA wise, but look at the end totals. He was 4th in Cy Young voting. All for an OF than was marginal.
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FakeRazor sees my point on Vasquez. And yes, I agree that Vasquez is better than Burnett. I don't say that because I'm a bitter Jays fan, his number tell the tale. Vasquez tends to gas in the 2nd half. Did so again last year, W/L and ERA wise, but look at the end totals. He was 4th in Cy Young voting. All for an OF than was marginal.
everyone gets the point. it's common sense. again, it's just the loss of Melky that has people up in arms right now. Obviosuly you can look a the stats and see Vasquez is the superior player.

Time will tell on this one though. Leave what Vasquez did last year off the table. He could easily be a bust. But he is very pumped to be coming back and he really wants to prove to the NY fans that he's worth it.
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:51 PM   #12
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Old 12-22-2009, 08:16 PM   #13
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Old 12-22-2009, 08:33 PM   #14
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A trade is supposed to hurt a bit, this is a clear winner friends
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The Braves have to really like the prospects they got to like this trade, and they better hope they pan out.
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oh and I don't mind Gardner playing the OF. He just needs to get in the cage a lot more. He's great defensive and small ball type player, which the Yanks desperately need at times. Especially in the playoffs. I still think they will sign Damon though
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Is that Bradley thing for real?
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Most Braves fans question the trade for sure, but it had to be done to open the payroll up for a bat.

Unfortunately, that bat seems to be Troy Glaus. I have no confidence he will start the majority of our games this year at first. I'm hoping something else is in the cards.
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Braves had 6 starters. Makes good sense.
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Looks like Matt Capps is on his way to the Nationals.
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Baseball desperately needs a salary cap as well as a salary floor

Mets signed R.A. Dickey to a minor league deal... the only way this turns out good is if he gets bombed and the back page of the Daily News read "Limp Dickey"

We're so awful, this team should just get on a plane and crazy

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Yeah...as time goes on I'm starting to feel more and more like that big move isn't going to happen...but, this isn't all bad. In fact, it's a chance for Omar to NOT do something stupid.

As I look towards next year's free agent market, it's a million times better than this years. I'd rather do big spending then than waste dollars on mediocre players now that I KNOW will prevent them from landing a couple of big players next year. Guys like Cliff Lee, Matt Cain, and Brandon Webb could hit the free agent market...so I don't wanna tie Joel Pineiro down for 4 years.

Kinda sucks thinking about what 2010 might bring...the good news is that healthy, full campaigns from Wright, Reyes, Beltran, and Santana should alone yield way more than the 70 wins of last year...probably around .500 or so...not to mention having those guys playing makes the games FAR more fun to watch. The bad news is they are definitely still gonna have to have a lot of luck on their side, because as presently constructed they just don't stack up with the juggernaut Phils that will probably win well over 90 games.
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The Morrow trade... a lot of people are saying that this is probably a handshake agreement that is a part of the big 3 team trade last week. Even if it's not being admitted to.

Might not be the case. Who knows.

The M's GM was quoted as saying that he would've been competing for the 5th spot in the rotation. The M's still have 10ish million to spend and that could very well include grabbing a starting pitcher. They probably just figured Morrow probably won't actually tap into the potential that he has, especially with the complete mishandling of him the past few years. Besides, he walks the world and hasn't gotten his breaking stuff working, really.

The Yankees... now that they know they have a pretty good stranglehold on the AL, they'll probably just keep buying or one-side trading their way into having an all star at every position.

That Vasquez trade was a rape. Melky has been and always will be a 4th outfielder. Even if last year was an outlier for Javier, his regressed numbers are still going to be really solid for a 4th slot starter.

I like how the Braves freed up something like 8 or 9 million dollars and then go and sign a question mark for 2 million as their "big bat".

Maybe if they didn't spend 10 million on aging, question mark bullpen arms, they could get a legit bat or two for the middle of that order.
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I sure hope that the prospects the Jays got work out. I hope their young arms that all seemed to get shelved the last year or two come back strong. I'm not predicting a wild card run with these guys...yet. But there is a lot of potential in the Jays, it just needs to bear fruit. It's all I've got to look forward to right now.
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Orioles are light years ahead of the Jays in rebuilding now, could be 5 years before the Jays get out of the basement
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Jays have potentially great pitching now. We'll see if it develops into anything now that both Halladay and Burnett are gone
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Top 10 playoff disappointments of the 2000s:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big...urn=mlb,209661

Good list. Definitely agree with what was said about the '06 Mets...it was heart-wrenching, but I figured they'd that with their core they'd be right back in the playoffs in '07 to redeem themselves...now it only hurts more in retrospect.

Kinda surprised the '04 Yanks didn't get the top spot, given the fact that a collapse of that magnitude has never happened...but the '01 Mariners are a good choice as well.
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Ichiro probably heard about this list and went screaming to the M's front office to do some damage this offseason.

One thing's for sure, they listened.
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Justin Duchscherer stays in Oakland. 1-year, up to $5.5 mil. if he hits all his incentives.
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Guys I wanted for the D'Backs:

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Duchshcherer or however you spell it belongs somewhere like Oakland. At least for another year.
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Mets sign Kelvim Escobar. 1-year deal, apparently it's a Major League deal. If that means there's less of a chance that they sign Pineiro to an unnecessarily huge deal, that'd be great.
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Mets were the biggest joke of the decade. They had every reason to dominate the NL.
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nah Cubs

even though the Mets were loading up the payroll, I always felt bad for them
but the Cubs were just hilarious
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Apparently the Mets view Escobar as a potential set-up guy for K-Rod, not a starter. Interesting.
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