NFL 2006 Offseason Thread - Page 21

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 07-20-2006, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Monday Morning

lol damn pretty crazy to see a dude who absolutely destroyed high school and college competition getting no burn at all in the NFL. Just goes to show how sick the NFL really is

**AlphaBean** · 07-20-2006, 03:25 AM

You have to wonder how much of it is nerves and hype, though. A guy can get undrafted by one piece of hype, and all it takes is one fumble to end your NFL career.

There are some pretty lame people in the NFL.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 07-20-2006, 03:57 AM

Like who?

**AlphaBean** · 07-20-2006, 04:01 AM

Denard Walker. But I think he's finally done. He was a waste for far too long, making more money in a year than some of us will ever see.

But I understand, the CB pool is so dreadfully shallow that a piece of shit like him can make a living... but at a low-demand position like Fullback, yeah, you gotta be Jimmy Kleinsasser or Tony Richardson to get paid.

Fuck, imagine MN's running game if you line up Jimmy next to McKinnie and Hutchinson and pull Birk with T-Rich lead blocking. Triple A would rush for 1,000 yards behind that.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 07-20-2006, 08:52 PM

How is that guy lame though? If he was good enough to make it in the NFL he is a really good football player. Even if he gets no burn at all, just being on an NFL roster is ridiculous. Also, Walker has 465 career tackles, so I dunno what you are talking about.

**AlphaBean** · 07-20-2006, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sTiMa34

How is that guy lame though? If he was good enough to make it in the NFL he is a really good football player. Even if he gets no burn at all, just being on an NFL roster is ridiculous. Also, Walker has 465 career tackles, so I dunno what you are talking about.

Walker's been in the league for like 15 years though, and I bet 80% of those tackles came after the catch was made.

Anyway, maybe he's good as far as corners are concerned... but like I said, that's a shallow talent pool. High demand, and corners are used up and tossed away faster than punters.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 07-20-2006, 11:49 PM

He hasn't even been in the league for 10 years yet (About to be his 10th season upcoming) but your point has nothing to do with my original point. I said it is crazy to see dudes who tear it up in HS and have good success in college barely play at all, I am sure this guy tore it up while at LSU. So now if this is "lame" like you claim he is, then that just makes my point for me. He was probably a successful CB while playing in college now in the NFL he's a bum.

**AlphaBean** · 07-21-2006, 12:33 AM

I just think there's something weird that changes from college to pro... there are some people who are just sick in college who never even get a whiff. And a lot of these players would dominate, but teams just don't get it. Take John Randle for existence. He had nothing.

So why not take a chance on someone like Jason White, who is a proven winner, and an intelligent player? In the WCO he'd probably dominate. That's what doesn't make sense to me... and then a player like Michael Bennett who has very little football (lol I said basketball originally... of course he doesn't!) skills will be taken in the first round, why? Because he's really, really fast. Well let's draft sprinters more often, then.

**Gonzo** · 07-21-2006, 10:38 PM

On the point about Bennett, its obvious that sometimes being the best football talent doesn't always guarantee that you're the best fit for someone's NFL roster. I mean you guys are all smart enough to know that, but I'm just saying here that its kinda a shame because a lot of guys probably never get the chance in the NFL and could have been great. Inversely you hear these success stories of guys who rose out of nowhere to become stars, I bet just as many never even get a shot.

RP · 07-22-2006, 03:42 AM

Opening play of Colts/Giants in the first game of the season, Will Demps gets looked off to a beer vendor in the second row. Reggie Wayne 79 yard td.

**Evil Vito** · 07-22-2006, 11:38 AM

Wow. According to Yahoo Sports, Reggie Bush is headed for a holdout and may skip the entire 2006 season

He's even toyed with the idea of re-entering the draft in 2007.

What a fucking whiney penis. He demands to be paid more than Mario Williams, and he clearly can't accept that he wasn't the #1 pick. The NFL seriously needs to do something about rookie salaries. Make it so that you can only make just over league minimum first year to avoid these holdouts.

If Bush re-enters the 2007 draft I hope he falls down to the 3rd round just because he's pulling this shit.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 07-22-2006, 04:46 PM

Even though he is being greedy, Saints need to pay him. I don't really get why he is holding out for more money, I remember hearing a lot about how he has already donated a lot cash to the New Orleans community. I bet he just wants to be paid more than Mario Williams due to his ego, not the actual dollar difference

**Gonzo** · 07-22-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito 22

The NFL seriously needs to do something about rookie salaries. Make it so that you can only make just over league minimum first year to avoid these holdouts.

They'll just hold out so their contracts guarantee them big money in their second season.

**Evil Vito** · 07-22-2006, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

They'll just hold out so their contracts guarantee them big money in their second season.

Then make it like this:

-Implement a rookie salary (a fluctuating price range but rookies can make no more or less than that amount)

-As soon as you are drafted, you automatically receive a one-year contract from the team at a certain rookie salary (1st rounders will make the rookie maximum, 7th rounders rookie minimum, and everything in between)

-After the season, the team you were on automatically gets the rights to your. Once again, you can only get a one year contract for the next season, this time there would be a "2nd year salary" or something. It'd be higher than rookie salary, and the window fluctuates depending on the player's production in 2007. If you choose not to re-sign with the team, it won't matter because this rule will effect any 2nd year guy. Even if you go to a new team you can't make more than a certain amount as long as you are a 2nd year guy.

-Given the average NFL career length this process shouldn't last longer than 2-3 years, but it'd keep young guys from being greedy and it'll force them to prove they are worth the big bucks in the 3rd or 4th year (when they can then sign any contract they want, like the present FA market)

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Overall it's sorta like baseball's system. Obviously the players association would never allow this to happen but I think it would definately improve the game.

**DrA** · 07-23-2006, 04:57 PM

Well, Ricky Williams broke his arm.

There goes my Canadian fantasy football team.

**DaveWadding** · 07-23-2006, 07:05 PM

Ty Law signs with the Kansas City Chokes.

**Kris P Lettus** · 07-23-2006, 07:12 PM

It is predicted that Bush will only miss a few days of training camp which start here in Jacktown this week.. This comes from the local paper with quotes from his agent..

Oh and Stima, for the record, the money he has "donated" to New Orleans is only because Fred McAffee made him promise 25% of all jersey sales to Katrina victoms.. That's why McAffee gave him number 25 (which he's had since high school)..

**BCWWF** · 07-23-2006, 08:34 PM

I remember right after the draft Bush was only getting good press from New Orleans, and was saying that he didn't forsee himself holding out at all.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 07-24-2006, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus

Oh and Stima, for the record, the money he has "donated" to New Orleans is only because Fred McAffee made him promise 25% of all jersey sales to Katrina victoms.. That's why McAffee gave him number 25 (which he's had since high school)..

I dunno man, pretty sure he paid cash out of his pocket so a high school football stadium could be rebuilt and a large number of schools are gonna be using it.

I know he had to donate 25% cuz of that deal, but he was putting that idea out there anyways, saying if he got to wear #5 he'd do the same deal.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 07-24-2006, 12:41 AM

Also I don't think anything needs to be done about rookie contracts, maybe just a cap on signing bonuses, I definetly wouldn't use the MLB system because the two sports are completely different. Rookies hardly ever go straight into the bigs in MLB, therefore you'd have guys like Reggie Bush selling tickets and he'd never get a cut of the money in the first year. Plus there is tons of other differences to go along with it. They really can't do much to change the current system they have now though. A lot of guys never even see the money they sign for anyways, due to restructures and releases. What you really need to look at is the signing bonus, since that is the only amount that is actaully given to the player no matter what happens.

Way too many risks in football to deny a big time player (like a Reggie Bush, Larry Fitzgerald etc) a big pay day til they are in their 3rd year.

**DrA** · 07-24-2006, 06:50 PM

God, the Buffalo Bills have had one of the worst offseasons I have ever seen. There's no way that team wins more than three games this year.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 07-24-2006, 06:53 PM

lol I can't believe they took Donte Whitner with the 8th pick. He is a pretty good player but they could have definetly done a trade (I'd say atleast 20 picks away) and still got him.

**D Mac** · 07-25-2006, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveWadding

Ty Law signs with the Kansas City Chokes.

CHIEFS

:foc:

**D Mac** · 07-25-2006, 02:15 AM

WE WILL WIN THE WEST

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 07-25-2006, 03:13 AM

Kansas City will be what they always are, a good team, not a real threat for the Championship though

**CNM** · 07-25-2006, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Diesel Mac

WE WILL WIN THE WEST

LOL

**D Mac** · 07-25-2006, 05:31 AM

We'll see who gets the last laugh son.

**Mr. Monday Morning** · 07-25-2006, 06:42 AM

I wouldn't be too optimistic if I were you. Herm Edwards managed to change the Jets from a playoff team to a shambles (admittedly with a good deal of help from the front office)

**D Mac** · 07-25-2006, 06:44 AM

Then we will lynch him.

**DrA** · 07-25-2006, 12:39 PM

The AFC is going to be interesting this year, mainly because the 'big four' in that conference (New England, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, Denver) don't have as much depth as they have had in previous years. I think there's going to be a team, maybe the Dolphins, maybe the Jaguars, maybe even the Chiefs, who come out of nowhere and dominate the conference this year.

**D Mac** · 07-25-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DrA

the Chiefs, who come out of nowhere and dominate the conference this year.

yep

**Skippord** · 07-25-2006, 06:31 PM

Javon Walker will torch Ty Law

**DrA** · 07-25-2006, 07:20 PM

I don't know, those torn ACLs can ruin careers.

**Gonzo** · 07-25-2006, 09:49 PM

I think we're going to see a change in power from the AFC to the NFC in years to come, in respect to the dominant conference.

**Skippord** · 07-25-2006, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrA

I don't know, those torn ACLs can ruin careers.

Crap he tore his ACL I thought it was his arm he hurt for some reason

**mrslackalack** · 07-25-2006, 11:24 PM

Its amazing to me on how while most of the best NBA players either left school early or came from HS. Most of the top NFL guys however (LJ, Alexander, Manning, LT etc.) stayed all 4 years of school.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 07-25-2006, 11:53 PM

Well in the NBA you can be 6-7' weigh 185 pounds and bench press 185 4 times (Shaun Livingston) and still be good, where as in the NFL you can't really get by with those type of numbers.

**Gonzo** · 07-26-2006, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sTiMa34

Well in the NBA you can be 6-7' weigh 185 pounds and bench press 185 4 times (Shaun Livingston) and still be good, where as in the NFL you can't really get by with those type of numbers.

Yeah I was going to say something like that.

In the NFL a huge part of success is being physically mature to handle the wear and tear of the business. Basketball is less physically demanding in some aspects, whereas in the NFL, you need to have that right "football build" before you should step on the field.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 07-26-2006, 01:13 PM

lol Odell Thurman just got suspended for 4 games for breaking the NFL substance abuse policy. The Bengals are like the Portland Trailblazers of the NFL

**AlphaBean** · 07-26-2006, 10:10 PM

You know, the Vikings weren't quite good enough on defense last year, so they had to pick up fuckin' Dwight Smith, Tank Williams, Ben Leber, DeQuincey Scott, Chad Greenway and Cedric Griffin (is that the CB from Texas' name?),

Well, I just gotta say that with the pickup of Smith, the Viqueens actually have me a little happy for the coming season. I'll just turn it off when the offense has the ball.

07-20-2006, 11:49 PM	#807
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	He hasn't even been in the league for 10 years yet (About to be his 10th season upcoming) but your point has nothing to do with my original point. I said it is crazy to see dudes who tear it up in HS and have good success in college barely play at all, I am sure this guy tore it up while at LSU. So now if this is "lame" like you claim he is, then that just makes my point for me. He was probably a successful CB while playing in college now in the NFL he's a bum. Last edited by Jesus Shuttlesworth; 07-21-2006 at 01:50 AM.

07-20-2006, 03:25 AM	#802
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	You have to wonder how much of it is nerves and hype, though. A guy can get undrafted by one piece of hype, and all it takes is one fumble to end your NFL career. There are some pretty lame people in the NFL.

07-20-2006, 03:57 AM	#803
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Like who?

07-20-2006, 04:01 AM	#804
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	Denard Walker. But I think he's finally done. He was a waste for far too long, making more money in a year than some of us will ever see. But I understand, the CB pool is so dreadfully shallow that a piece of shit like him can make a living... but at a low-demand position like Fullback, yeah, you gotta be Jimmy Kleinsasser or Tony Richardson to get paid. Fuck, imagine MN's running game if you line up Jimmy next to McKinnie and Hutchinson and pull Birk with T-Rich lead blocking. Triple A would rush for 1,000 yards behind that.

07-20-2006, 08:52 PM	#805
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	How is that guy lame though? If he was good enough to make it in the NFL he is a really good football player. Even if he gets no burn at all, just being on an NFL roster is ridiculous. Also, Walker has 465 career tackles, so I dunno what you are talking about.

07-21-2006, 12:33 AM	#808
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	I just think there's something weird that changes from college to pro... there are some people who are just sick in college who never even get a whiff. And a lot of these players would dominate, but teams just don't get it. Take John Randle for existence. He had nothing. So why not take a chance on someone like Jason White, who is a proven winner, and an intelligent player? In the WCO he'd probably dominate. That's what doesn't make sense to me... and then a player like Michael Bennett who has very little football (lol I said basketball originally... of course he doesn't!) skills will be taken in the first round, why? Because he's really, really fast. Well let's draft sprinters more often, then.

07-21-2006, 10:38 PM	#809
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	On the point about Bennett, its obvious that sometimes being the best football talent doesn't always guarantee that you're the best fit for someone's NFL roster. I mean you guys are all smart enough to know that, but I'm just saying here that its kinda a shame because a lot of guys probably never get the chance in the NFL and could have been great. Inversely you hear these success stories of guys who rose out of nowhere to become stars, I bet just as many never even get a shot.

07-22-2006, 03:42 AM	#810
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,993	Opening play of Colts/Giants in the first game of the season, Will Demps gets looked off to a beer vendor in the second row. Reggie Wayne 79 yard td.

07-22-2006, 11:38 AM	#811
Evil Vito President of Freedonia Posts: 58,383	Wow. According to Yahoo Sports, Reggie Bush is headed for a holdout and may skip the entire 2006 season He's even toyed with the idea of re-entering the draft in 2007. What a fucking whiney penis. He demands to be paid more than Mario Williams, and he clearly can't accept that he wasn't the #1 pick. The NFL seriously needs to do something about rookie salaries. Make it so that you can only make just over league minimum first year to avoid these holdouts. If Bush re-enters the 2007 draft I hope he falls down to the 3rd round just because he's pulling this shit.

07-22-2006, 04:46 PM	#812
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Even though he is being greedy, Saints need to pay him. I don't really get why he is holding out for more money, I remember hearing a lot about how he has already donated a lot cash to the New Orleans community. I bet he just wants to be paid more than Mario Williams due to his ego, not the actual dollar difference

07-23-2006, 04:57 PM	#815
DrA Posts: 24,537	Well, Ricky Williams broke his arm. There goes my Canadian fantasy football team.

07-23-2006, 07:05 PM	#816
DaveWadding LIMITLESS Posts: 32,276	Ty Law signs with the Kansas City Chokes.

07-23-2006, 07:12 PM	#817
Kris P Lettus Listen to Killer Mike Posts: 56,741	It is predicted that Bush will only miss a few days of training camp which start here in Jacktown this week.. This comes from the local paper with quotes from his agent.. Oh and Stima, for the record, the money he has "donated" to New Orleans is only because Fred McAffee made him promise 25% of all jersey sales to Katrina victoms.. That's why McAffee gave him number 25 (which he's had since high school)..

07-23-2006, 08:34 PM	#818
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I remember right after the draft Bush was only getting good press from New Orleans, and was saying that he didn't forsee himself holding out at all.

07-24-2006, 12:41 AM	#820
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Also I don't think anything needs to be done about rookie contracts, maybe just a cap on signing bonuses, I definetly wouldn't use the MLB system because the two sports are completely different. Rookies hardly ever go straight into the bigs in MLB, therefore you'd have guys like Reggie Bush selling tickets and he'd never get a cut of the money in the first year. Plus there is tons of other differences to go along with it. They really can't do much to change the current system they have now though. A lot of guys never even see the money they sign for anyways, due to restructures and releases. What you really need to look at is the signing bonus, since that is the only amount that is actaully given to the player no matter what happens. Way too many risks in football to deny a big time player (like a Reggie Bush, Larry Fitzgerald etc) a big pay day til they are in their 3rd year.

07-24-2006, 06:50 PM	#821
DrA Posts: 24,537	God, the Buffalo Bills have had one of the worst offseasons I have ever seen. There's no way that team wins more than three games this year.

07-24-2006, 06:53 PM	#822
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	lol I can't believe they took Donte Whitner with the 8th pick. He is a pretty good player but they could have definetly done a trade (I'd say atleast 20 picks away) and still got him.

07-25-2006, 02:15 AM	#824
D Mac Posts: 21,603	WE WILL WIN THE WEST

07-25-2006, 03:13 AM	#825
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Kansas City will be what they always are, a good team, not a real threat for the Championship though

07-25-2006, 05:31 AM	#827
D Mac Posts: 21,603	We'll see who gets the last laugh son.

07-25-2006, 06:42 AM	#828
Mr. Monday Morning All Part Of The Plan Posts: 12,125	I wouldn't be too optimistic if I were you. Herm Edwards managed to change the Jets from a playoff team to a shambles (admittedly with a good deal of help from the front office)

07-25-2006, 06:44 AM	#829
D Mac Posts: 21,603	Then we will lynch him.

07-25-2006, 12:39 PM	#830
DrA Posts: 24,537	The AFC is going to be interesting this year, mainly because the 'big four' in that conference (New England, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, Denver) don't have as much depth as they have had in previous years. I think there's going to be a team, maybe the Dolphins, maybe the Jaguars, maybe even the Chiefs, who come out of nowhere and dominate the conference this year.

07-25-2006, 06:31 PM	#832
Skippord I'm Mr. White Christmas Posts: 44,526	Javon Walker will torch Ty Law

07-25-2006, 07:20 PM	#833
DrA Posts: 24,537	I don't know, those torn ACLs can ruin careers.

07-25-2006, 09:49 PM	#834
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	I think we're going to see a change in power from the AFC to the NFC in years to come, in respect to the dominant conference.

07-25-2006, 11:24 PM	#836
mrslackalack Mr. Slack A Lack Jack! Posts: 4,390	Its amazing to me on how while most of the best NBA players either left school early or came from HS. Most of the top NFL guys however (LJ, Alexander, Manning, LT etc.) stayed all 4 years of school.

07-25-2006, 11:53 PM	#837
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Well in the NBA you can be 6-7' weigh 185 pounds and bench press 185 4 times (Shaun Livingston) and still be good, where as in the NFL you can't really get by with those type of numbers.

07-26-2006, 01:13 PM	#839
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	lol Odell Thurman just got suspended for 4 games for breaking the NFL substance abuse policy. The Bengals are like the Portland Trailblazers of the NFL

07-26-2006, 10:10 PM	#840
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	You know, the Vikings weren't quite good enough on defense last year, so they had to pick up fuckin' Dwight Smith, Tank Williams, Ben Leber, DeQuincey Scott, Chad Greenway and Cedric Griffin (is that the CB from Texas' name?), Well, I just gotta say that with the pickup of Smith, the Viqueens actually have me a little happy for the coming season. I'll just turn it off when the offense has the ball.