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Old 12-10-2012, 03:27 PM   #841
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Just realized Jeter and Griffey are same generation. Oops.
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The problem I'm seeing here with the Royals is they're making such a dire move to get pitching, but the reality is, they weren't even a mediocre team to start with.

I get what they're trying to accomplish. Trade a few top prospects too get you over the hump and take.advantage of a window of opportunity. The Jays have done that. They were a solid team with some upside that went out and near instantly added at least 5 wins to their season by trading some of their prospects for legit major league talent.

The difference is, you can see why the Jays jumped on the chance. They deepen an already solid starting rotation, and upgrade at a league wide weak position with a premier player.

The Royals are not in the same situation. They were a 70-75 win team before the trade and now, maybe they're a 75-80 win team, tops. I'd love to see it work out, but they're essentially relying on a career#2 starter to be an ace, a bounce back year from Santana, and a mediocre starter in Davis to add 15-20 wins and try and compete with a team that's still miles better than they are.

This move is incredibly short sided. Meanwhile, the Rays get a huge to protect Longoria in the long run.
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Depends on how long you consider a Generation and when they start and stop. Griffey was already a household name and future hall of famer by the time Jeter made it to the bigs. If you consider then the same generation then you have to consider Pujols in Jeter's generation, erc etc until everyone bleeds together.
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True. I'd say once every 6-7 years or so. And if we have Trout, Strasbourg, Harper, Profar, Myers, this guy and that guy then every team would have outstanding, amazing players. Baseball is the hardest sport to master and to say any guy, before he accomplishes a good deal in 3-4 full seasons, is a cant miss, franchise player is absolutely wrongheaded.
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The article i read mentioned the 9 IP 1h 1er 15k loss vs the orioles in the last series of the season. Personally I won't miss shields and hope the prospects don't pan out. Prospects are really suspects until proven otherwise, a wise man by the name of Ben maller has said numerous times..
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I'd go longer and say every 10-12 years since that is around the length the greats usually have. Average pro career length is around 4-5 in most sports so 6-7 might be too short.

Would mean Griffey's generation catches everyone from 89 till 99-01/02.
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The problem I'm seeing here with the Royals is they're making such a dire move to get pitching, but the reality is, they weren't even a mediocre team to start with.

I get what they're trying to accomplish. Trade a few top prospects too get you over the hump and take.advantage of a window of opportunity. The Jays have done that. They were a solid team with some upside that went out and near instantly added at least 5 wins to their season by trading some of their prospects for legit major league talent.

The difference is, you can see why the Jays jumped on the chance. They deepen an already solid starting rotation, and upgrade at a league wide weak position with a premier player.

The Royals are not in the same situation. They were a 70-75 win team before the trade and now, maybe they're a 75-80 win team, tops. I'd love to see it work out, but they're essentially relying on a career#2 starter to be an ace, a bounce back year from Santana, and a mediocre starter in Davis to add 15-20 wins and try and compete with a team that's still miles better than they are.

This move is incredibly short sided. Meanwhile, the Rays get a huge to protect Longoria in the long run.
Pretty much what I've been trying to say. If Shields was the last piece of the puzzle, then go for it by all means. But he's far from it. They just look like a mediocre team across the board.
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The Mets have told the Rangers they'd trade them Dickey for Mike Olt and Leonys Martin.

I wouldn't have wanted to lose Dickey for Olt straight up, but I'd be hard pressed to say no if Martin were included too. That'd be 2/3rds of the Mets' Opening Day outfield right there.
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Dodger's deal with Grienke ended making them leapfrog the Yankees for #1 team salary next year and break the MLB record for biggest team salary for a season. Was around $190+ million before the Greinke signing.

Also became the 2nd team ever to break $200 million for a year.
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with 2 wild cards and hat os considered a weak division this year, I see what the Royals are thinking. I hope they make it.
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I hopr the Jays aren't done yet. I would love to see them pick up another starter. Capuano might be available now that the Dodgers have 27 starters
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Wonder what the price tag would be on Capuano, Lilly (hows he doing health wise?) or even Harang.
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Dayton Moore and KLaw are gonna go at it the next time they're in the same building, it seems.

Other news:

Jason Grilli, who was supposed to make his announcement on where he's gonna sign at the winter meetings, made it a week late today. Staying with the Pirates, 2-years, $6.75 mil.

Kevin Youkilis is seriously considering signing with the Yankees. Rangers are in the mix, too.

Finally, looks like Suzuki Ichiro will be staying with the Yankees another season. They're hammering out the details and a deal should be done in a matter of days.
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KLaw wrote after the trade that the Rays won this deal big time and that it was the final nail in Dayton Moore's tenure as GM in Kansas City. Moore quotes it was "very, very, insulting"

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if the Royals make the playoffs, they win the trade... from their point of view.
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First playoff berth in 20+ years? Yeah that would be a win for them, in some respect.
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Andruw Jones is going to Japan. Signed a deal with the Rakuten Eagles. 1-year, $3.5 mil.
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Bit of chatter going on right now between in-state neighbors Cincinnati and Cleveland with the Reds looking to get Shin-Soo Choo and possibly a 2nd player. The Reds would send Drew Stubbs and Didi Gregorius to the Tribe. But now Arizona is in the mix somehow making this a 3-team trade.

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Dickey gives another ultimatum-like message to the Mets to either get a extension done or he's walking after the next season. Mets gave a new offer but hint a trade might end up occurring very soon.

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Bit of chatter going on right now between in-state neighbors Cincinnati and Cleveland with the Reds looking to get Shin-Soo Choo and possibly a 2nd player. The Reds would send Drew Stubbs and Didi Gregorius to the Tribe. But now Arizona is in the mix somehow making this a 3-team trade.

More as it develops.
Hot fucking stove. But the Choo-Stubbs deal seems like a wash. The Indians get youth and Reds get a consistent veteran. 2 clubs in different positions trading essentially the same player sans age. It probably isn't but that's how it seems on the surface.
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Unless the Indians get a haul for Cabrera, I don't see the reason for selling so low on Cho. Iud the Diamondbacks are involved in Cabrera talks, I'd try and flip him for Upton, then flip Upton to Texas for some pitching and maybe Mike Olt.

Not too unreasonable. Dbacks want a shortstop, Cabrera furs the bill. Indians would either get a short term upgrade over Choo, or more top shelf prospects for flipping him to add on the rumored.Gregorious addition being bandied about.
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Love Choo. Would love him on the Reds even though it leaves the without a true CF. But goddamn Stubbs is awful and I'd be so excited to see him gone.
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But Choo is only signed through 2013. Is it worth the gamble?
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Update to the D-Backs, Indians, Reds trade:

The D-Backs want Didi Gregorius. They have zero interest in Asdrubal Cabrera. They're willing to send some young pitching to Cleveland to make it happen.

Brandon McCarthy to the D-Backs. 2-years, $15.5 mil.
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But Choo is only signed through 2013. Is it worth the gamble?
I think so. Stubbs is a negative commodity IMO so I don't have any desire to see him stay. I love Didi and the many ways to play on his last name but they've got Cozart.

It fixes their main problem which was leadoff hitter so why the eff not.

Plus they got Billy Hamilton coming in 2014 if Choo leaves.
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