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Old 02-16-2016, 08:14 PM   #841
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So you're backing away from your braindead attempt at only comparing one episode per season and are trying "this ongoing season is on pace to break the trend". Seriously. Fucking hell.

When you acknowledge how fucking retarded it was to try to compare the season premieres and ignore the overall ratings then we can move on, dipshit. For once, instead of trying to ignore something stupid you've said in hopes it will be forgotten, I want you to actually acknowledge your retard logic or explain why it wasn't retarded. Go ahead.
One derp at a time, fucker. We'll move on to your new derp after we take care of your old derp. Please acknowledge.
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Old 02-16-2016, 09:24 PM   #842
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Current speculation for this week's ratings and viewers is to expect a low result for both and even a possible new historic-low.

Actual numbers got delayed by a day but early results for last night's Grammy Awards show has it pulling NFL-range type numbers.
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Old 02-16-2016, 09:57 PM   #843
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It was a boring show with a really bad main-event featuring two talents that aren't exactly over huge with their fans. I don't expect the ratings to be pretty, especially for the last quarter.
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Old 02-17-2016, 08:26 AM   #844
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And they aren't huge because they aren't even featured semi-regularly!

Strowman v. Big Show (who cried b/c of The Rock in a "comedy" spot which was awful).

Just for Kane to come up from the ring and have the Wyatt's "running like the New Faces of Fear" should do!!!

Worst RAW I have seen in ages. Barely watched while doing other things.
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Old 02-17-2016, 09:35 AM   #845
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But it's okay because WWE is #1 with their mediocre ratings. They can be boring forever!
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Old 02-17-2016, 11:36 AM   #846
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By the way, like CyNick, if Vince truly thinks that ratings don't matter anymore and WWE doesn't care about them, why did Vince randomly come back to TV as a character? What was the point if not to drive up the ratings?
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Old 02-17-2016, 12:07 PM   #847
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In all fairness to Vince, he needs to be positive at these conferences. I would never expect him to be doom and gloom. He's going to present himself as successful because well.... He is and so is his company.

I appreciated Meltzers reporting of the conference, as it makes the solid points of yeah the company is just fine and the ratings drop means very little short term, but could be very detrimental long term if you can't retain your viewers or garner any new viewership. The streaming excuse iseh at best, as other programming does not suffer the same fate.
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Old 02-17-2016, 01:21 PM   #848
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In all fairness to Vince, he needs to be positive at these conferences. I would never expect him to be doom and gloom. He's going to present himself as successful because well.... He is and so is his company.

I appreciated Meltzers reporting of the conference, as it makes the solid points of yeah the company is just fine and the ratings drop means very little short term, but could be very detrimental long term if you can't retain your viewers or garner any new viewership. The streaming excuse iseh at best, as other programming does not suffer the same fate.
Absolutely. I don't expect Vince to be anything but positive on these calls nor do I expect Vince to be 100% honest, outside of his legal fiduciary duties to be honest with the shareholders regarding finances, obviously.
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Old 02-17-2016, 04:13 PM   #849
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Raw got 3.6 million in their 1st hour, 3.5 in their 2nd hour, and 3.2 million in their third hour.

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By the way, like CyNick, if Vince truly thinks that ratings don't matter anymore and WWE doesn't care about them, why did Vince randomly come back to TV as a character? What was the point if not to drive up the ratings?
Because it fit into the storylines and to drive overall interest in the product.

If you bothered to listen to what Vince said, he talked about how they want to drive overall interest in the product. They cant force the WWE Universe to watch in one particular way. Some like to watch the full show on cable (week in week out the highest watched show on Monday nights), some on You Tube (one of if not the biggest You Tube channel), or the Network (top 5 in its class).
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Old 02-17-2016, 08:28 PM   #852
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There you go again doing your zero reading comprehension, moron, troll thing.

Who the hell here has said the sky is falling?

I can't speak for everyone here, but I don't think anyone has said the sky is falling in terms of WWE's finances. All we're saying is that the quality of creative has and is still falling, which in turn could lead to a downturn in WWE's finances long term and in some cases may already have. No one is saying WWE is going under though.
And again, and this will get glossed over, but your opinion on creative is irrelevant. Just like mine is.

There is no evidence people are no longer consuming the WWE product. So there's no reason to say creative is down. Its just YOUR opinion. Which, again, is irrelevant.
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Old 02-17-2016, 08:29 PM   #853
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I think this thread is about low ratings not WWE's Finances.
Its all been blended together.
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Old 02-17-2016, 08:29 PM   #854
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So now that WWE has no real competition and ratings are down Vince claims they suddenly don't care about them. How convenient.

Also, sure seems like WWE's investors care about them. Maybe WWE should too.
Why do you think companies like WWE try to draw high TV ratings?
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Which NO ONE, sans yourself, actually gives a fuck about.


Again, it is more of the weekly content that is just so fucking BLEH!!!

This Monday, the go home show before a PPV (which their goal should be to up subscribers) the fucking main event had STROWMAN v..... don't even need to go there.


Just watch it, it was awful.
I wouldnt call the show awful, but I did think the main event was brutal. Not sure why they went with that.
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"Let's go out for a burger, I know this really cool place downtown that makes an amazing burger. Has 5/5 on yelp"

"No lets go to McDonalds"

"I want a good tasting burger not something from McDonalds"

"Have you seen their financial reports? They did better business this year than any other year."
So in your mind is like TNA the Burger joint getting 5/5 by the 3 or 4 people who live in their parent's basement and are active on Yelp?
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Old 02-17-2016, 08:34 PM   #857
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In all fairness to Vince, he needs to be positive at these conferences. I would never expect him to be doom and gloom. He's going to present himself as successful because well.... He is and so is his company.

I appreciated Meltzers reporting of the conference, as it makes the solid points of yeah the company is just fine and the ratings drop means very little short term, but could be very detrimental long term if you can't retain your viewers or garner any new viewership. The streaming excuse iseh at best, as other programming does not suffer the same fate.
This is the nonsense I am talking about. I was subscribing to Meltzer's rag in 2000, and he was saying the EXACT SAME SHIT then. "Ratings are down 8%, it doesnt mean anything now, but long term it could". Meanwhile every year they grow their TV rights fees. If you want to listen to someone out of their depth, listen to Uncle Dave talk WWE Finances.
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Absolutely. I don't expect Vince to be anything but positive on these calls nor do I expect Vince to be 100% honest, outside of his legal fiduciary duties to be honest with the shareholders regarding finances, obviously.
He's not there to be a cheerleader. He cant outright lie on these conferences. If he does, WWE will be up shit creek. They are already in hot water when Vince was doing a bit of carny talk when the Network first launched. I think he learned his lesson.
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Raw got 3.6 million in their 1st hour, 3.5 in their 2nd hour, and 3.2 million in their third hour.

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When you acknowledge how fucking retarded it was to try to compare the season premieres and ignore the overall ratings then we can move on, dipshit. For once, instead of trying to ignore something stupid you've said in hopes it will be forgotten, I want you to actually acknowledge your retard logic or explain why it wasn't retarded. Go ahead.
You still working on an excuse for this or nah?
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So you're backing away from your braindead attempt at only comparing one episode per season and are trying "this ongoing season is on pace to break the trend". Seriously. Fucking hell.

When you acknowledge how fucking retarded it was to try to compare the season premieres and ignore the overall ratings, dipshit. For once, instead of trying to ignore something stupid you've said in hopes it will be forgotten, I want you to actually acknowledge your retard logic or explain why it wasn't retarded. Go ahead.
I feel bad for you man.

Let me try to break this down for you.

You claimed The Walking Dead has been growing year after year. I disputed that claim, because its completely false. While ratings are still enormous for the show, it has declined this year (season 6) vs last year (season 5). Thus proving yet again, that you are flat out wrong.

Let me again illustrate.

Let's just look at season premieres:

Season 4: 16.1 million viewers
Season 5: 17.3 million viewers
Season 6: 14.6 million viewers (down 16% year over year)

Let's just look at 2nd half premieres:

Season 4: 15.8 million viewers
Season 5: 15.6 million viewers
Season 6: 13.7 million viewers (down 12% year over year)

Okay, let's look at season to date (aka 9 episodes in per season)

Season 4: 13.3 million viewers
Season 5: 14.7 million viewers
Season 6: 13.3 million viewers (down 10% year over year)

So thats three different ways to look at their ratings this year compared to last. Either way you slice it, they are down year over year. If you would like to show how they are up this year compared to last, I would love to see it.
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You still working on an excuse for this or nah?
I never ignored anything. I compared season premiere vs season premiere. Shows like this tend to draw their highest ratings for the Season Premiere, the episode after the Winter Break, and the Season Finale. We can look at full season numbers for Season 6 and compare them to Season 5 when they have happened. As of right now, no matter how you look at it, they are down.

I question your understanding of mathematics.
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The average viewers per season has literally gone up every fucking season. Even if it goes down at the end of this season, the fact that the last 5 years the ratings have gone up proves that "ratings are down across the board" isn't an excuse. Because there's a popular show where the ratings have been going up every year for 5 years while Raw has been in a steady decline.

How the fuck are you still trying to compare certain episodes thinking it DOESN'T make you look retarded? Look at the average ratings for the season, Corky. Average. Takes all the episodes for the season and gives you a precise number that tells you exactly how well the show did as a whole for the season. As opposed to just nitpicking certain episodes to try to make your point. Math, dumbass.
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Seriously, are you trying to prove a point to anybody else or just convincing yourself? Because I can't imagine there is anyone else who thinks comparing the season premieres of a show as opposed to the overall ratings season-by-season is the proper way to tell whether a show's ratings are improving year-by-year or not.

If you're not trying to prove a point to anyone else, congrats. I'm sure you're reading your own retarded logic, kicking back with a smile and basking in your own derp dee derp.
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The average viewers per season has literally gone up every fucking season. Even if it goes down at the end of this season, the point that the last 5 years the ratings have gone up proves that "ratings are down across the board" isn't an excuse. Because there's a popular show where the ratings have been going up every year while Raw has been in a steady decline.

How the fuck are you stil trying to compare certain episodes thinking it DOESN'T make you look retarded? Look at the average ratings for the season, Corky. Average. Takes all the episodes for the season and gives you a precise number that tells you how well the show did as a whole for the season. As opposed to just nitpicking certain episodes to try to make your point. Math, dumbass.
Man you're classic

You do realize that the CURRENT season is not over right?

I could look at the entire average of season 5 (14.4 million viewers) and compare it to the 9 episodes thus far in Season 6 (13.3 million viewers). It would help prove my point, but wouldnt be an apples to apples comparison....maybe this is already too far over your head....ah well lets plow through....Its not like I went through and picked a random episode from season 6 and said "oh look episode 3 S6 vs S5 is down". I looked at the AVERAGE 9 episodes into S6 and the AVERAGE 9 episodes into S5. See above...they are down...I see his eyes glazing over...he's not understanding...he's going to call me a name to make himself feel like a tough guy...
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Seriously, are you trying to prove a point to anybody else or just convincing yourself? Because I can't imagine there is anyone else who thinks comparing the season premieres of a show as opposed to the overall ratings season-by-season is the proper way to tell whether a show's ratings are improving year-by-year or not.

If you're not trying to prove a point to anyone else, congrats. I'm sure you're reading your own retarded logic, kicking back with a smile and basking in your own derp dee derp.
When my point was the CURRENT season is down vs the previous season (which it was), the best way to compare would be year to date. Its literally the only way to compare.

I find it funny that you keep driving this point home, like you have some point here, but you just keep looking more hilarious by the post.
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Alright, this guy's gotta be a fucking troll. My God.
Thats already little buddy, you can still have a cookie for trying.
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Walking Dead's ratings have gone up every year over the past 5 seasons despite "TV ratings being down across the board". Raw's have gone down. But we can't make that comparison because Walking Dead isn't on Mondays...
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Season 4 premiere did 16.1 million viewers
Season 5 premiere did 17.3 million viewers
Season 6 premiere did 14.6 million viewers

down approx 15% YoY. Down roughly 10% YTD YoY. Amazing numbers, but your statement is a little off.

But good try little buddy.
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Season 1 average viewers: 5.24 million
Season 2 average viewers: 6.90 million
Season 3 average viewers: 10.40 million
Season 4 average viewers: 13.30 million
Season 5 average viewers: 14.40 million

But yeah, you wanna pick one episode that "proves" your point instead of looking at the entire year. It's the same thing that happens when Raw goes up for one week and you sarcastically ask everyone "does this mean things are good again?"

Just like when the average temperature is higher one year than it was the last it proves global warming is a myth.

Good try, you dumb fuck.
Please get someone to read these posts for you like 5 times a day until something clicks. Thank you.
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BUT LET'S LOOK AT THE SEASON PREMIERE RATINGS! SEE UR WRONG! NICE TRY!!!

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Please get someone to read these posts for you like 5 times a day until something clicks. Thank you.
Ah, I see, you wanted to have the debate at the END of Season 5.

If you had said every season was up at THAT point, and I disputed you, you would be right (YAY!!!!)...but I didnt, I disputed your claims during Season 6 whilst ratings are down, so you're wrong (AWW).

But keep posting. If you dream it, one day you will make a legitimate point. Keep reaching for the stars lil slugger.
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On a separate point, global warming is a myth.
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Ah, I see, you wanted to have the debate at the END of Season 5.

If you had said every season was up at THAT point, and I disputed you, you would be right (YAY!!!!)...
This is why I said to get someone to read the posts to you, Corky.
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According to the Observer, this week's RAW managed to be the 2nd lowest in the last 18 years in terms of overall viewers when not counting football or holiday weeks.

Missed out on being the new record by around 90,000 viewers.

In terms of historical stuff, same show last year did around 500k more for viewers. Lowest hour of that show was still around 200k more than the best hour this week.
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According to the Observer, this week's RAW managed to be the 2nd lowest in the last 18 years in terms of overall viewers when not counting football or holiday weeks.

Missed out on being the new record by around 90,000 viewers.

In terms of historical stuff, same show last year did around 500k more for viewers. Lowest hour of that show was still around 200k more than the best hour this week.
Felt like this was a test to see the appeal on Strowman and he failed hard. Did not help he was going against Big Show.
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So in your mind is like TNA the Burger joint getting 5/5 by the 3 or 4 people who live in their parent's basement and are active on Yelp?
No, and you are reaching for thinking that.

Also if we are going stereo typically are WWE fans not living in their parents basement?
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And again, and this will get glossed over, but your opinion on creative is irrelevant. Just like mine is.

There is no evidence people are no longer consuming the WWE product. So there's no reason to say creative is down. Its just YOUR opinion. Which, again, is irrelevant.
A lot of people here said they stopped watching, myself included.
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