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President of Freedonia
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Wooooooo, all Giants picks officially signed.
This is what Accorsi never gets credit for. Almost every year he gets all his picks signed before the start of training camp (an area a lot of teams struggle in) |
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The Classic Dylan Staples
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I'm ready for MATHIAS KIWANUKA to be an impact player this year and fill in at one of the positions that we struggled a lot with last year; Defensive End.
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President of Freedonia
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Kiwanukkkaaa
He can dunk from the free throw line |
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Browns lose center Bentley for season
http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/CLE/9574072 Wow, what a kick in the teeth to the Browns. |
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Mr. Slack A Lack Jack!
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Young gets a bigger rookie contract than Williams. Reggie Bush will snap.
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All Part Of The Plan
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LAKE SHOW HOES
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Wow, Browns are really getting jewed by their draft picks in the past years.
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Mr. Slack A Lack Jack!
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Nah, LeCharles Bentley wasn't drafted by the Browns, they signed him from New Orleans.
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Listen to Killer Mike
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He was good but now I'm kinda glad we don't have him anymore.. |
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LAKE SHOW HOES
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D'Brickshaw is a god damn animal, holy shit.
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I heard if they both get their full contracts (like all the incentives etc which is doubtful) Vince Young's contract will be more money than Williams's
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Willie Roaf retires from the Chiefs
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9575606 Well, there goes the best O-Line in the league |
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All Part Of The Plan
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LAKE SHOW HOES
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No Rams training camp coverage on NFL Network
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King of Love and Piss
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suicide watch on deisle cack.
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Holy shit. Vernon Davis' deal makes him the highest paid TE in the league
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rofl thats sad |
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There goes Larry Johnson's 2000 yard season - both tackles retired
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Listen to Killer Mike
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BTW Willie Roaf has the coolest name ever..
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The Classic Dylan Staples
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Wow this rookie contract thing is getting ridiculous. People need to shut up
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Rookie Contracts will end up putting the NFL on a strike in a couple of years.
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Nah the percentage of the profits shared with the players will be what ends up causing a strike...why would rookie contracts cause a strike?
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I mean i could be wrong, but think about this. There is no way in hell any rookie period should be paid more at there position then an established all pro player. Vernon Davis has no business being paid more then Antonio Gates or atleast 10 other tight ends in the league. This type of thing will continue to happen. Reggie Bush will probably end up being paid better then most of the top running backs in the league today. What I think this will do is make players start holding out for bigger and bigger contract extension. Teams wont be able to afford there star players cause rookies at the same position are getting paid more and they think they deserve more then a rookie. The collective bargaining agreement that the NFL has in place will be in shambles. Contracts extension will be bigger and bigger. More players will be switching teams then ever before. The league will take a stand and say " Hey this is nuts. Rookies are getting paid to much and because of that are 3 and 4 year players are getting paid WAY to mush " and you know the players union will be deadset against the league stopping this, because the players are making alot of money and they dont want that to be taken away. Which is why i can see a strike in the future.
I could be wrong. I'm not sure how the CBA is set up now, but its possible. |
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Refresh me on the profit sharing issue again. I've heard something about that, but not really sure what it means.
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Basically the players want to make a cut of what the team makes, so whatever the team profits is divided among the players. I'm not sure on the exact percentage right now, I think its around 50%? I assume they take an average of what all the teams make or something, since some teams make more than others but they all have the same salary cap.
So when the next CBA comes up, the NFLPA is gonna be pushing for a larger percentage, while the owners obviously are not. So that is going to lead to a strike I think, the rookie contract thing really can't lead to a strike since there isn't a president for a rookies contract. It is not like a team HAS (like required by the CBA set by the owners/NFLPA) to pay huge money to guys and the rookie numbers are inflated anyways. Hardly any of these rookies will see the money which they signed for. What you need to look at is the signing bonus and the first year salary, since those are the only amounts which are guarented to go to the player. Rookies who aren't first rounders kinda get screwed tho, since they sign pretty low 5 year contracts, so if the rookie ends up being really good, the team has their rights for low money for those 5 years. If you end up sucking tho the team can just cut you with no problems, so you got guys like Deion Branch barely making 1 million dollars in his 5th year because of that. The rookie contract thing isn't really that big of a deal, it happens every year, you got like 10 or so guys coming out and getting a huge signing bonus and thats that. Pretty sure with guys like Vernon Davis (or more likely their agents - I am sure every agent wants to be able to say they worked a rookie into getting the highest contract at their position) they just want to be called the highest paid tight end in the NFL, I highly doubt when the dust clears that he wil end up making more than somebody like Gates or Heap |
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But in a sense they are beacause like you said. Gates contract dosnt guarantee him all that money. While a rookie like Davis is coming in with a quarter of Gates contract guaranteed and up front and alot of it guaranteed through the next 5 or so years. I say Gates, because he didnt get that huge Rookie contract like others have. He earned his money and he's the best TE in the league. So he should be mad when someone who hasnt played 1 year of football is making more money then him.
Teams are being forced to draft someone they can actually afford and not someone they really need but cant pay. See Houston. Reggie Bush wasnt drafted #1 cause Mario Williams was the better pick. Reggie bush wasnt drafted #1 because Mario Williams was a guy Houston could afford. Every year rookies salaries coming in are getting higher and higher. No team wants to pay a gu 50 mill and a 13 mil bonus up front when he hasnt done anything yet. Sooner or later these rookie salaries will need to be capped. Say for instance Reggie Bush gets a contract that makes him the highest paid RB in the league. And two years later he flops. Then you have lets say Tomlinson who his basically dominating his position and he says two years later " Hey my contract that i got like 3 years ago (?) isnt good enough. I should be paid more then this guy ( insert Reggie Bush's name and contract here ). How do owners argue against that? How does the owner of the Chargers say " Yah we know your the 3rd or 4th highest paid RB now behind a flopping Reggie Bush and two other rookie rbs that were recently drafted, but we arent going to give you that kind of money" They cant. They either have to pay or trade him or let him go in FA. Because Tomlinson has the best argument possible for being paid like the highest RB in the league. Its a trickle affect that i think only now is starting to be realised, but in a couple of years i think we could see 10-15 superstar all pro caliber players moving from team to team because of contract situations stemming from how big of contracts unproven players are being payed . Maybe i'm looking to far into this. |
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Texans might not have drafted Reggie because atm he seems to be a bit of a jerk, also.
But yeah, rookie contracts definitely need some sort of cap. Sooner or later there will be another Tim Couch. |
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So Gates doesn't get big money coming out because he was unknown rookie, so what does he do? He gets big in like 1 or 2 seasons then holds out demanding a bigger and better contract (Much like Deion Branch is doing right now) Pretty sure Gates held last year and got a new deal before the season.
But yeah true players love seeing other plays making tons of money because then they feel they can go out there and get the money as well. This has been happening forever though, while the salaries continue to get higher - the amount the teams make gets higher and the salary cap gets higher. So it is all balanced increases really. I am sure David Carr was making a lot more than a lot of other starting QBs in the NFL when he came too, samething with Peyton Manning or any first round top 10 pick. It is just the way the NFL has been working for years now (I'd guess around the time free agency came into play) Vernon Davis being the top paid TE is a bit ridiculous, I totally agree with that but things like Mario Williams' contract, Vince Young's contract really aren't to me since it happens every single year. |
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LAKE SHOW HOES
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Stima knows his shit.
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I think when Manning came out Bret Farve and Elway were the highest paid still. When Carr came out Farve was still the highest paid. I dont recall ever seeing a rookie get paid the most money at his position. I'm not completely sure though.
Gates had one great year, but that year was pretty much amazing. You could make an argument that he was one of the best players in football that year. The fact that he was undrafted and got hardly any money at all, yet he established himself as the best TE in the league, was cause for a better contract. |
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an average QB makes a lot more than an average TE too, gotta take that into consideration. How many TEs are like "big time" guys? Gates, Gonzo, Heap, Shockey (kinda over -hyped IMO) and uhh |
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The Classic Dylan Staples
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Remember that one AlphaBean post when he was making fun of Rectal Pertruder and he was all "Oh snap! That's the sound Peyton Manning's chinstrap makes when he puts his helmet on."
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Trent Green will suck without Willie, check out his stats when Roaf has been out with an injury. Would be surprised if the Cheifs even made the playoffs now, people don't look at the OLine as a big or see them as "easy to replace" since they aren't big time stars and don't have people buying their jerseys but they are the most important players on the offense. Without them none of the Superstars are gonna get shit.
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