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Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that Bay has a four-year, $66MM agreement with an easy fifth-year vesting option.
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1:42pm: Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that Bay has a four-year, $66MM agreement with an easy fifth-year vesting option. The 2014 vesting option appears to be worth more than $14MM, as ESPN's Jerry Crasnick tweets that Bay's deal could be worth "slightly more than $80MM over five years."
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I'm glad they finally settled the left field situation. I would have rather had Holliday, certainly. But...Bay is not a bad player. The consensus around baseball is that he is going to decline sharply at the plate before his deal is over, but if that's the only bad contract the Mets have then, I can deal with it.
Now, I'd like to see the Mets take a look at Delgado. If he seems to be healthy, I would definitely give him a reasonable one year deal. I WOULDN'T have signed him and shouldered him with the load of being the cleanup hitter, but now that they got a power LF guy, Delgado can bat 6th behind Reyes, Castillo, Wright, Bay, and Beltran while getting frequent time off to allow Murphy to play. And if he sucks, let him go and stick with Murph. |
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I understand where your coming from Vito, I do, its just I wanna see Murph play full time. Everyone around baseball, including Francessa, hate on Murph a lot and say he can't be an everyday player as if hes been in the league for 5 years. Last year was basically his rookie season. I would have loved to see what he would have done full time at 1st all year, without losing confidence and being hate on for his play in LF. Once he went to 1st he became more relaxed and his numbers climbed.
Delgado is going to be what 38 by ST I think? I just feel his run at 1B is over and his career as a DH should begin. Plus it would be saying goodbye to a player who has said to be a "cancer" in the clubhouse. That he held down the younger players like Wright from becoming the leader. Is that true? Who knows, probably just Media BS. But all in all I think its time to say bye bye to Delgado and let Murph go full force. |
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A.W.O.L.
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Be nice to see Delgado come back to the Jays as their DH.
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I know. I'm a big Murph fan, nobody tries harder and he's homegrown. However, I do have to say that his number breakdowns are a definite concern for me. He was great when called up at the end of '08, great in April '09, outstanding in September '09...but, you really can't put TOO much stock into numbers at the beginning and end of the year. He was awful during the middle of the year. It could be a case of pitchers adjusting and then Murph adjusted back at the end of the year, who knows.
But...the prospect of a healthy Delgado batting 6th behind those guys is something I can't pass up. It's not like they'd be spending tens of millions over multiple years. It'd be low risk/high reward, because Murph would be there to fill in. I'm sort of viewing this like the Mets' lineup in 2006, with Cliff Floyd batting 6th. He got injured but it was okay because they had fill-ins, but the potential for that deadly lineup was there. |
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Mets look like they are gonna concede and guarantee Molina a 2nd year. Not too happy about that, but they clearly like him. Hopefully it won't come back to bite them.
Also, the Mets are in talks with the Cubs about Carlos Zambrano...and a third team is likely involved as well, but the Mets would be parting with Luis Castillo and "another young player". I can't see the Mets getting Zambrano, not only is he hesitant to waive his no-trade clause, but the Cubs were asking for the kitchen sink from the Yanks, don't see how the Mets could possibly offer more. Still...let me get my imagination cranking: SS Reyes 2B Hudson 3B Wright LF Bay CF Beltran RF Francoeur 1B Murphy C Molina Santana, Zambrano, Pelfrey, Perez, Maine Rodriguez, Escobar, Igarashi, Feliciano, Green, Stokes, someone else Blanco, Cora, Pagan, Carter, someone else --- I dare to dream.
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Mets are so stupid
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JASON BAY WHAT ARE YOU THINKING
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Hopefully the Red Sox bring back Trot Nixon so he can get the 'roids flowing through the clubhouse again.
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Stupid Sexy Flanders
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The Bay contract is going to look really, really bad in a couple years, especially if that option for the 5th year vests. Watching him play defense in Citi Field should be a circus...hope Beltran's ready to cover extra ground.
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Don't really see why such a big deal is being made of Bay's defense tbh. Every regular left fielder the Mets have had over the last several years has been shitty defensively.....and this year was gonna be no exception with a lack of options on the market.
As long as he hits, I don't care what he does on the defensive side of the ball. |
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That what Boston used to say about Manny
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I'll take what happened with Manny any day of the week
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Bit upset about Bay leaving the Red Sox since he was such a nice guy and good player for the short time there. He really helped "clean" the negative atmosphere from the Manny fallout in 2008 with his good playing abilities and production numbers.
Also a bit surprised Mariners didn't go after him more aggressively since he was willing to go to Seattle before the Mets and others entered the bidding war. |
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Peter Gammons last week: "Jason Bay would rather play in Beirut than play in Queens"
Suck it. He, Ken Rosenthal, and a few others have been hurling insults towards the Mets in their reporting all off-season. |
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Kelly Johnson taking physical today to finalize his 1 year 2 million contract with the D'Backs.
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He's worth it. He just has some of the worst cold spells I've ever seen.
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#859 |
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Apparently Bay's deal is heavily backloaded...he'll only be making like $10 million in 2010.
Definitely makes it a risky deal in the last two years of the contract...but dammit, that frees up more than enough space for a top pitcher, not Joel Pineiro or anything. Callers are flooding the lines of WFAN saying Carlos Zambrano is the way to go, and Joe & Evan agree. Dammit, I've now reached the point where I can't help but imagine how awesome it would be even though I doubt it will happen. His agents keep saying he won't waive his no trade clause, but EVERYBODY with a no-trade clause says that initially. Maybe the Mets' Venezuelan influence will help, who knows.
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Stupid Sexy Flanders
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Even if he did waive the no-trade clause, how much would you be willing to part with? Cubs fans I know have it in their heads that the only possible return from the Mets that would make a deal worth it would be Jose Reyes, and these aren't the typical drunken frat guy Cub fans. The Mets would be insane to do that deal...I don't think there's a chance of that deal getting done.
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Mets need pitching, they didn't need Bay. Wanted him, sure, but needed him? - No.
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Nah there is no way in hell the Mets are trading Reyes. Cubs fans only feel Reyes is the only suitable compensation because Big Z is a fan favorite. Everything I've read suggests that the Cubs are actually desperate to get rid of Zambrano as he's gonna be owed more and more money each of the next three years. Also, his innings have gone down each year...so that suggests the Cubs might be afraid of a breakdown. Personally, I'm not too worried about him getting a major injury during the next three years.
However, getting Zambrano will definitely involve mainly big league talent. The name constantly floated around is Luis Castillo, so he'd likely be there. They'd want somebody to plug into the rotation, so I'm thinking John Maine could be in it. Also, they are looking for outfielders, so Angel Pagan is a possibility I suppose. Throw in another prospect, and I think the Cubs would make the move if they really were dead set on making the trade. |
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Quote:
Someone should ask the Detroit Tigers how they feel about the Magglio Ordonez deal and how Singlio will be making 18 million to hit singles all year. Is there any Detroit fans here who would like to discuss that.... Oh yeah
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Kelly Johnson: 1 year, $2.35 million.
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Cubs sign Marlon Byrd to a 3-year, $15 mil. deal.
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Angels and Blue Jays throw their hats into the Aroldis Chapman ring.
Marlins, Red Sox, A's, and O's are also in the mix. |
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Don't really know why Marlon Byrd deserves 3 years but okkkkkkkkkk
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I was just reading through the posts on this page and I realized I left off something in my argument for bringing back Carlos Delgado. The consensus everywhere is that Ike Davis will be the first baseman of the future, and a lot of scouts feel he will be ready to shoulder the load by 2011...also, he is viewed as a definite September call-up candidate if the Mets find themselves with a big gap in the playoff race (be it a positive or negative gap).
With that being said, it's looking more and more likely that Murphy is going to need to learn 2nd base for when Castillo's deal is up or he is traded, and until then he might become primarily a jack-of-all-trades bench guy. With Davis looming, I don't see that big of a deal in letting Delgado bat 6th for a year and give the Mets a scary lineup. Well worth a one year, $5 million or so investment...which is probably what he will get even if he signs with an AL team to DH, and like many other guys who go to the AL, I don't think he necessarily WANTS to DH, a lot of guys prefer to field. |
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Well also gotta take into account that Ike can play RF. He played the OF for Team USA, and not a bad one at that. Obviously that won't matter because once Murph hits a slump he's going to get the axe regardless. As much as I want Murph to be able to play 2nd base it won't happen. He did it in the AFL and he was atrocious. He just doesn't seem to have that lateral movement and footwork to be a good 2nd basemen.
I hold out hope though. |
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I think Ike in RF depends on Jeff Francoeur more than anything else. Mets were considering giving Francoeur a 3-year deal to avoid his arbitration years. If he goes back to how he was early in his career with the Braves, he'll be a force for several years.
And for the record, Delgado isn't even my top choice. I feel that Adam LaRoche might be one of those guys this year that waited too long to sign with a team and has to settle on a 1-year deal. He would be a good force in the 6 hole not to mention being a good glove. |
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Jason Bay taking his extensive medical exam tomorrow...
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Awesome, according to SNY, Bay has passed his physical. Press conference at 11 AM tomorrow. Wonder how they'll align their 3-4-5 hitters.
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Wright - Delgado - Sheffield
oh wait, that will be in June. |
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:foc:
I'm thinking Wright #3 is a lock, just a matter of what to do with Beltran or Bay. I think I'd go Beltran-Bay if they got Delgado, Bay-Beltran if they stood pat and had Francoeur batting 6th. |
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I'd put Beltran between Wright and Bay, due to his ability to switch hit. It would break up the right-handed hitters in the lineup against RHP and make it harder for opposing managers to make pitching changes. That and I think having Beltran on base ahead of Bay would be beneficial in terms of scoring from first or second -- if Bay can use the gaps effectively, you can let Beltran run without having to worry too much about having a slow guy running in front of him.
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Yeah, good idea. I think the main reason I'd want Beltran batting ahead of Francoeur instead of Bay is because Beltran is more patient, which can be important as Francoeur (and also Bengie Molina, if he is signed) are free swingers. I'd rather make sure there are at least men on base. Interesting in seeing how it works out.
Speaking of which, Francesa opened his show again by saying there will be more Mets news during the week and that "Bay's press conference is tomorrow, but more are coming"...he was the first to report Bay's agreement, so he clearly has some inside information. My initial thought is that they've finally agreed to a deal with Molina...my hope is that they've swung a trade for a starting pitcher but I'd have to think a report would have leaked out in the trading partner's market were that the case. |
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So, after all that...his big news is that Bay and Minaya will be guests on his show tomorrow. He slipped it in at the end and spent pretty much all 5.5 hours talking football.
Got a feeling he'll be doing that a bunch before pitchers and catchers report. Bait the Mets fans into thinking more news is coming. ![]() Ah well, will be good seeing Bay in uniform tomorrow. |
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The Red Sox/Yankees Chess game continues.
Red Sox sign Adrian Beltre to a 1-year, $9 mil. deal. With $5 mil. player option for '11. |
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It stands to reason that they might not have made that deal unless they are certain they can move Lowell...I was reading that at this point they will probably be willing to pay a good chunk of his salary (more than half) to get him off the roster.
Jerry Crasnick said he's heard whispers of a Luis Castillo-for-Mike Lowell deal, as Pedroia has been mulling over a move to shortstop. Shit, I'd definitely take a majorly discounted Lowell as a platoon guy for Murphy...AND it gets Castillo off the books and gives the Mets a shot to bring in Hudson. I like it. |
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