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Old 06-26-2006, 01:48 PM   #881
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I dunno, I'm taking strange comfort in the fact that we weren't beaten because we played poorly; we were beaten by a dud refereeing decision.

It made me $350 too. It was meant to 'soften the blow' but I dunno, I don't even want to take it now. I will though .

I've never been this gutted before, this is worse than 1997 and 2001. Welcome to world football, I suppose.
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Bet it wouldn't have happened if we were the US. What a pity our "market value" isn't high enough to warrant fair treatment.
We were on the wrong end of a bullshit penalty as well. Don't think we got any better treatment.
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No, you don't get to follow Italy.

You've had 2 teams, you don't get a third
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We were on the wrong end of a bullshit penalty as well. Don't think we got any better treatment.
Don't say 'we', you support like 18 teams.

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I hope the Aussies go and smash Lygon Street. Fucking poulimenoi yiftoi cunts (sellout gypsies)

Go do your stories on "soccer shockers" you fucking media cunts I dont care anymore. At least you'll be off the bandwagon.

And Rob is right FIFA will do sweet fuck all. Go Ukraine/Switzerland DEMOROLISE the fucking poulimenoi cunts next stage, please just smash the fucking gypsies
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We were on the wrong end of a bullshit penalty as well. Don't think we got any better treatment.
Fair call, but I was more in reference to the US top 5 ranking despite having little to no talent.

The favourable decisions that FIFA grants out to certain nations has repeatedly not included Australia - from the qualification system to the supposed change to give Oceania a single place, to taking that away (leaving it still as the only region not to be represented automatically), to now four referee dramas in a row.

Perhaps if FIFA were genuinely interested in the Fair Play it preaches things would be different. Unfortunately Fair Play doesn't include certain nations.
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Don't say 'we', you support like 18 teams.

Be specific.
Oh go fuck yourself man. I have ties to 3 teams and I will root for them as much as I want. I was born in America of Polish/Italian descent. I am also first generation American, so my roots to those countries are even closer.

So get off it and go rant about how bad the "Italian cunts" are.
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Why did it have to be Totti, the absolute epitome of everything that's bad about football? I hope someone breaks his leg in 12 different places.

It's OK, you won't go far at all. You'll be fodder for Switzerland and/or Brazil.
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FIFA Fair Play? AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA if they were so fair play they would fucking change the qualifying system America 'qualifies' through and would have fucking restructured Asia/Oceania a LONG time ago. Fucking moronic cunts. FIFA Fair Play my fucking arse.
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It's OK, you won't go far at all. You'll be fodder for Switzerland and/or Brazil.
That's just fine for me. If one of my teams cannot make it to the end, I'm still going to enjoy the matches.
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Between the 8 countries that qualified from North America and Asia, ONE of them made the Round of 16 and are now eliminated.

Of the 5 countries from South America and Oceania, only one of them DIDN'T make the round of 16.

As I've said before, it makes sense in footballing terms and geographically if Oceania played off against Asia and North America played off against South America. Fucking ridiculous system in place now. Ah well, they'll be forced to restructure Oceania/Asia next time round when Uruguay beats the Solomon Islands 32-0 in both legs.
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Very well said Troyzalegend. Now get Sepp and his French fucking ponies to do something about it
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:25 PM   #893
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Australia were poor today and Italy were much the better side. Italy defended superbly and made the better chances, despite being down to ten men for almost half the game.

If the ref was favouring Italy then he had a strange way of showing it by sending off one of their defenders just for a clumsy tackle.

Lucas Neill shouldn't have went to ground. Grosso played on Neill's mistake, there's no reason why he should have stayed on his feet after Neill went to the floor in front of him and impeded his progress.
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Ah get fucked. How you can say awarding the 'penalty' which literally decided the game is on the same level as a 50-50 red card is beyond me. One has the potential to influence the result of the game whilst the other DECIDES the game. For the record I thought it should not have been red, but you cannot sit there and tell me Italy would have won had they had 11 men on the park.
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They were far better than Australia. The Australians created absolutely nothing and their best chance was always going to be a set piece. The Italians carved the Australian defence open throughout the game and were let down only by poor finishing. Anyone who is fooled by the level of possession the Australians had obviously hasn't seen much of Italy over the years.

I expect Italy would have won with 11 men on. I expected them to win with 10. The manner of defeat was harsh but Australia can't pretend they gave that game their all or put any kind of real pressure on the Italians.

The lesson Australia should take from this is watch Fabio Cannavaro: that's a defender. He concentrates for 90 minutes. Lucas Neill had a great tournament, but one stupid mistake cost his team.
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Italy have done nothing to convince me they can get past Switzerland/Ukraine.

Penalty call aside, ECG is right. We didn't create enough chances to put them away. I said it a few pages ago, our finishing needs work if we're ever going to compete with these teams.

The amount of aerial balls that we played today, I'm mystified why Kennedy never got a run. If he had Cahill's free header, we'd be in a quarter-final.
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Switzerland and Ukraine are both extremely average sides.
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That is a gauge of how unconvinced Italy have left me.


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Italy can play better but whoever beats them will have their work cut out. Cannavaro is having an absolutely superb tournament. If Nesta were fully fit they'd probably be unbeatable.
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Right, off to bed. Will pray to God one more time first that we don't end up with fucking Houllier.

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Bet it wouldn't have happened if we were the US. What a pity our "market value" isn't high enough to warrant fair treatment.
What? The US had two red cards that were harsh, if not worse. Also, remember Ghana's go ahead goal? A 50/50 ball won by a 6'6" defender standing straight up warrants a PK? Then look back to 2002, the US outplayed Germany in that quarterfinal match and had a goal that was kept out of the goal by a blatant hand ball.

I'm not saying the US has it worse than anybody else, but to imply that the US is getting favors done for it is quite rediculous.
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Italy has the best defence. They've had the the top 3 defensemen in the world for the last 3 or 4 world cups. Italy is solid and to say that Ukraine or the Swiss is a far better team is a joke. Do I expect Italy to cake walk over them? No, but I won't beat against them.
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Right, off to bed. Will pray to God one more time first that we don't end up with fucking Houllier.
Houllier has a pretty cushy life at Lyon, no offence but I really don't see why he'd give that up to manage you lot, especially since Hiddink has basically set the standard by which future teams will be judged.
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I watched the highlights again and it's soooo not a penalty. If anything, it's an indirect free kick to Italy. He was already on the floor and Grosso ran into him. That's fucking obstruction. If that was my team, I'd want a penalty but it would definately be wishful thinking.

Materazzi shouldn't have been sent off though.

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What? The US had two red cards that were harsh, if not worse. Also, remember Ghana's go ahead goal? A 50/50 ball won by a 6'6" defender standing straight up warrants a PK? Then look back to 2002, the US outplayed Germany in that quarterfinal match and had a goal that was kept out of the goal by a blatant hand ball.

I'm not saying the US has it worse than anybody else, but to imply that the US is getting favors done for it is quite rediculous.
Read what I said higher up on this page. My US point relates to their favourable positioning in the rankings despite not beating anyone, not to any of their World Cup games.

This whole thing reeks of South Korea's run in 2002, when they got past Italy and Spain on questionable calls.

Certain countries get favourable calls at crucial times. We saw it in the last World Cup, and we're seeing it in this one. One bad game from a referee? Ok, you cop it, because it can happen. FOUR games in a row? Smells fucking fishy to me... It just fits the way FIFA has treated Australia for years.

It wasn't a penalty against Neill. There shouldn't have been a red card against the Matarazzi bloke, it was worth a yellow only.

One altered the games result, the other didn't.
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I watched the highlights again and it's soooo not a penalty. If anything, it's an indirect free kick to Italy. He was already on the floor and Grosso ran into him. That's fucking obstruction. If that was my team, I'd want a penalty but it would definately be wishful thinking.

Materazzi shouldn't have been sent off though.

Rino Gattuso needs to sign for Manchester United immediately.
It's not a typical penalty because Grosso effectively "won" it but in my opinion he's entitled to go over the challenge from Lucas Neill. He can stay on his feet and try to climb over Neill if he wants, but why should he? Neill has impeded his progress, maybe stopped a goal-scoring opportunity. It's not obstruction either, from the ref's point of view, because he trips Grosso up.

And anyway, my first impression was penalty. It looked dead cert at full speed and at the time which is all the ref has to go on. So less of the bias rubbish from the Aussies. Claiming conspiracies is pathetic. Get over yourselves.
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Houllier has a pretty cushy life at Lyon, no offence but I really don't see why he'd give that up to manage you lot, especially since Hiddink has basically set the standard by which future teams will be judged.
We won't get another Hiddink. Which is a shame, because the next step our national team makes needs to be forward rather than backward, and I don't know too many Aussie coaches around who've had experience coming down from a World Cup.

We need someone in who'll keep us moving forward ahead of the Asian Cup next year, which judging by the performance of the Asian teams in Germany is a fantastic, fantastic chance for Australia to finally win something. We should also have a much easier qualification for the next World Cup, so it's big things ahead for us. But who can we realistically get in to take us now?

What's Scolari doing after the world cup?
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An easier qualification? Fucking hell, how is that possible.
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Kid Robb is right though. I wouldn't go so far as to say conspiracy, but we've had an awful run with refereeing decisions. The thing is, until last night none of the questionable calls had actually cost us anything.

Against Japan, the ref missed a clear foul on Schwarzer which led to Japan's goal. We scored 3 late goals so that didn't end up costing us.

Against Brazil, Merk looked quite intimidated by the fact he was reffing Brazil. You could see he didn't want to give any of the 50-50s against them, which led to a ridiculous foul count in their favour. That didn't really cost us either, because we couldn't finish the chances we made so there's no point blaming the ref for that.

We all know what happened against Croatia, Poll just had a really bad day which isn't good enough in the World Cup. It didn't cost us because Kewell's equaliser from offside saved us, though if Croatia had won I'm sure we'd have been granted a replay.

The penalty is a moot point now, but the feeling over here is that we were eliminated by Italy, but not defeated by them.

What sucks now though is that tomorrow I'll be going into work, and my pseudo-Italian boss (who's lived in Brisbane her whole life) will be gloating like there's no tomorrow. That's one thing which annoys me about the ethnic communities we have here. Yes, follow your heritage, but if you were born here, you're Australian first. If you're gonna support Italy over Australia, fuck off and go live there

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An easier qualification? Fucking hell, how is that possible.
You tell me.

A group with Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan and Kuwait for 2 direct spots versus travelling nearly the whole world round to play a team like Uruguay twice in four days?

Group please.

You'll be comparing us to your qualification in Europe and you're right, both routes of qualification are easier than that, as Europe's is the hardest in the world to qualify from. But yes, qualifying through Asia will be much easier than through Oceania.
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Don't the South American teams have to play like 3x as many games as the rest in qualifying?
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South American teams each played 18 games, not including Uruguay who played 20 including the playoff with us. The top 4 teams from the 10-team group qualified directly, and the 5th team (Uruguay) played off with us.

African teams each played 10 games. They had 5 groups, the winners from each qualified.

Asia had 2 group stages. Teams which made the second played 12 games in total. The top 2 from each group of the second group stage went through, with the 2 third placed teams playing off for the right to play-off against a North American team.

Europe had 8 groups, each winner went through and the 6 worst second-placed teams played off for the final 3 spots. They played 12 games each, plus 2 for the teams who played off.

North America's was epic. Teams played off to qualify for the first group stage, where every team played 6 games. The 2 best from each group went to a second group stage where each team played 10 games, top 3 went through and the 4th team (Trinidad and Tobago) played off against Bahrain (Asia) to go through.

Oceania had 2 group stages, Australia and New Zealand plus the 2 best teams from each of the first group went through (after playing 4 games each), each team played 5 games in the second group stage then the 2 best (Australia and Solomon Islands) played off for the right to play off against Uruguay (South America).
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Trinidad and Tobago played the most games in qualifying for the World Cup. The rest of the North American teams played as many as the South Americans.
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