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Old 07-29-2006, 06:09 AM   #881
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Texans might not have drafted Reggie because atm he seems to be a bit of a jerk, also.

But yeah, rookie contracts definitely need some sort of cap. Sooner or later there will be another Tim Couch.
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Old 07-29-2006, 01:25 PM   #882
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JACKSON, Miss. (July 28, 2006) -- Reggie Bush 's contract holdout not withstanding, the New Orleans Saints ' season could hinge most on the recoveries of marquee veterans Drew Brees and Deuce McAllister.

The opening practice of training camp provided what head coach Sean Payton viewed as encouraging signs for the new starting quarterback and stalwart running back.

Brees fired 25-yard passes over the middle -- accurately -- on several occasions, and showed finesse on a 30-yard fade along the sideline that was hauled in nicely by sure-handed rookie Mike Hass.

McAllister, wearing a black sleeve on his surgically repaired right knee, took part in all first-team drills. But more telling for Payton was a set of timed 300-yard shuttle runs he put the team through earlier in the day during sweltering heat.

"I was pleased with how he ran. I was pretty excited about it," Payton said. "I don't know if he's 100 percent yet, but he's progressing."

Their performances enlivened a crowd of 1,720 in the stands at Millsaps College. Fans howled a prolonged "Deuce" on several occasions and shouted Brees' name as well.

McAllister -- a Mississippi native -- boldly said he intended to give Saints fans every reason to keep calling his name come fall.

"My goal is to make the Pro Bowl and put this team in the playoffs. It's going to take 1,400 or 1,500 yards to do it," he said.

However, he later said he couldn't be certain that he's as healthy as he thinks he is "until you really get that first hit on it. That's when you really will know."

"I feel good about it. ... The burst (of speed) is coming. I'm able to make the cuts that I want," he added.

Payton, a former college quarterback who saw very brief stints playing pro, said he thought Brees looked good and "located the ball well."

Brees said he could play immediately.

"No doubt at all. I could go right now," Brees said.

Brees said he intends to limit himself to about 80 throws per day during training camp solely for precautionary reasons. He has been throwing since April and there had been days during his rehabilitation on which he threw as many as 100 passes.

He began with short passes and has worked his way up to about 55 yards, he said. While he feels strong enough to do more, he wants to follow a more cautious schedule with the regular season still more than a month away.

"You don't throw more that 80 times in a game anyway," Brees said. "I am right where I want to be right now."

There was little news concerning Bush's contract. Reached by phone in New York, Bush's agent, Joel Segal, said he wanted to stick to his policy of not discussing negotiations until the deal is done.

Payton and several players said they weren't concerned about it -- yet.

"I haven't set a point where you start worrying," Payton said. "You remain optimistic and you try to get better. ... There are so many other things on my plate right now."

Other than Bush, there were two no-shows, one of whom was excused. Payton said he had spoken recently with reserve quarterback Jamie Martin and permitted him to report to camp late for "personal reasons."

Eight-year veteran linebacker Anthony Simmons also did not show. Payton did not say if he knew why but called it an unexcused absence.

Meanwhile, kick return specialist Michael Lewis pedaled a stationary bike on the sideline along with defensive tackle McKinley Boykin, a rookie out of Mississippi.

Lewis, who had knee surgery last season, had participated in minicamp in June before having additional arthroscopic surgery in late June. Payton said Lewis' knee was enflamed recently and coaches decided it would be better for him to sit out practice.
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Old 07-29-2006, 02:46 PM   #883
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So Gates doesn't get big money coming out because he was unknown rookie, so what does he do? He gets big in like 1 or 2 seasons then holds out demanding a bigger and better contract (Much like Deion Branch is doing right now) Pretty sure Gates held last year and got a new deal before the season.

But yeah true players love seeing other plays making tons of money because then they feel they can go out there and get the money as well. This has been happening forever though, while the salaries continue to get higher - the amount the teams make gets higher and the salary cap gets higher. So it is all balanced increases really. I am sure David Carr was making a lot more than a lot of other starting QBs in the NFL when he came too, samething with Peyton Manning or any first round top 10 pick. It is just the way the NFL has been working for years now (I'd guess around the time free agency came into play) Vernon Davis being the top paid TE is a bit ridiculous, I totally agree with that but things like Mario Williams' contract, Vince Young's contract really aren't to me since it happens every single year.
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Old 07-29-2006, 04:37 PM   #884
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I think when Manning came out Bret Farve and Elway were the highest paid still. When Carr came out Farve was still the highest paid. I dont recall ever seeing a rookie get paid the most money at his position. I'm not completely sure though.

Gates had one great year, but that year was pretty much amazing. You could make an argument that he was one of the best players in football that year. The fact that he was undrafted and got hardly any money at all, yet he established himself as the best TE in the league, was cause for a better contract.
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Nah we still got enough to get the job done like Will Shields. And Larry is awesome.
Whenever someone says the words "we still got enough" while talking about their team, you know that they're all but screwed for the season.
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I think when Manning came out Bret Farve and Elway were the highest paid still. When Carr came out Farve was still the highest paid. I dont recall ever seeing a rookie get paid the most money at his position. I'm not completely sure though.
Well yeah they weren't the HIGHEST paid at QB but they were definetly up there.

an average QB makes a lot more than an average TE too, gotta take that into consideration.

How many TEs are like "big time" guys? Gates, Gonzo, Heap, Shockey (kinda over -hyped IMO) and uhh
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Trent Green will suck without Willie, check out his stats when Roaf has been out with an injury. Would be surprised if the Cheifs even made the playoffs now, people don't look at the OLine as a big or see them as "easy to replace" since they aren't big time stars and don't have people buying their jerseys but they are the most important players on the offense. Without them none of the Superstars are gonna get shit.
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Old 07-30-2006, 03:10 AM   #892
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I knew it would happen by Monday..

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I will post pictures..

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You're more annoying then me. Atleast my team will see the playoffs.
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Trent Green will suck without Willie, check out his stats when Roaf has been out with an injury. Would be surprised if the Cheifs even made the playoffs now, people don't look at the OLine as a big or see them as "easy to replace" since they aren't big time stars and don't have people buying their jerseys but they are the most important players on the offense. Without them none of the Superstars are gonna get shit.

Green is a good descision maker he'll be aaaigght.
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Went to Cowboys training camp yesterday...T.O.'s body is sick he looked noticably bigger than the other wr's. Hopefully he can keep his mouth shut.
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Yeah, it's just sad that y'all can see past the playoffs..
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Old 07-30-2006, 02:58 PM   #899
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Don't get me wrong, I like the Colts.. But, as a Saints fan for over 20 years, can you blame me for being optimistic this season?? Fuck sake, I'm optimistic every season, it's just that this year, I have good reason to be.. New coaching staff, new QB, new phenominal young RB, new LB, etc etc etc..

Once again, can you blame me??
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There's no problem being optimistic, but i'm trying to remind you that your team is the Saints.
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This is the NFL you really can't predict what is going to happen - cuz anything could happen. Maybe The Saints could make the Superbowl? Who knows, or maybe even Colts could win the Superbowl....well maybe not anything
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Old 07-30-2006, 10:40 PM   #905
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This is the NFL you really can't predict what is going to happen - cuz anything could happen. Maybe The Saints could make the Superbowl? Who knows, or maybe even Colts could win the Superbowl....well maybe not anything
Yeah, for real.

How many years have you guys been watching football? And how many times have your/the media's shitty predictions been completely accurate?

You would think people would learn by now.
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Old 07-30-2006, 11:20 PM   #906
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Green is a good descision maker he'll be aaaigght.
He's also a statue in the pocket. I bet he breaks Favre's INT record this year.
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Don't get me wrong, I like the Colts.. But, as a Saints fan for over 20 years, can you blame me for being optimistic this season?? Fuck sake, I'm optimistic every season, it's just that this year, I have good reason to be.. New coaching staff, new QB, new phenominal young RB, new LB, etc etc etc..

Once again, can you blame me??
To be fair, who the fuck is Nail Diggs? He and Mike McKenzie were overhyped players who stood out like a sore thumb as average players on a piss-poor defense.

You also lost the Superbowl MVP...

Saints are gonna be the greatest show on turf this year, but gonna lose games 35-34.
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Old 07-31-2006, 12:29 AM   #909
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Yeah their offense looks like it could be good (don't know much about their offensive line) but I haven't heard much about their defense. I know they got Will Smith on the edge but that's about all I know. I don't remember them picking up anyone that big in the draft either, but we'll see.
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Old 07-31-2006, 12:55 AM   #910
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To be fair, who the fuck is Nail Diggs? He and Mike McKenzie were overhyped players who stood out like a sore thumb as average players on a piss-poor defense.

You also lost the Superbowl MVP...

Saints are gonna be the greatest show on turf this year, but gonna lose games 35-34.
Wasn't it Carolina that acquired Na'il Diggs? I can't remember.
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Old 07-31-2006, 02:51 AM   #911
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Old 07-31-2006, 03:01 AM   #912
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Old 07-31-2006, 10:41 AM   #913
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Wasn't it Carolina that acquired Na'il Diggs? I can't remember.
Maybe. I know that Krispy is bragging about a linebacker they got when their defense already sucked and they lost Darren Howard and Dwight Smith... and Jonathan Sullivan...

Bummer, dudes.
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Old 07-31-2006, 11:08 AM   #914
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Johnathan Sullivan is a fat piece of garbage.. Much better off with Brian Young..

We did not get Na'il Diggs.. Who is this Superbowl MVP you speak of??
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Old 07-31-2006, 07:07 PM   #915
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Old 07-31-2006, 07:12 PM   #916
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Saints got Bethel Johnson, he can run really fast in a straight line
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Old 08-01-2006, 01:32 AM   #917
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Dwight Smith.
He was the Bucs Super Bowl MVP?? I never realized..
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Old 08-01-2006, 01:38 PM   #918
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Yeah he ran back 2 INTs for TDs
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Old 08-01-2006, 03:04 PM   #920
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