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Old 01-04-2010, 09:55 PM   #881
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It stands to reason that they might not have made that deal unless they are certain they can move Lowell...I was reading that at this point they will probably be willing to pay a good chunk of his salary (more than half) to get him off the roster.

Jerry Crasnick said he's heard whispers of a Luis Castillo-for-Mike Lowell deal, as Pedroia has been mulling over a move to shortstop.

Shit, I'd definitely take a majorly discounted Lowell as a platoon guy for Murphy...AND it gets Castillo off the books and gives the Mets a shot to bring in Hudson. I like it.
Wait, scratch that. I forgot the Sox signed Scutaro. No reason for the Sox to make the move then.
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It stands to reason that they might not have made that deal unless they are certain they can move Lowell...I was reading that at this point they will probably be willing to pay a good chunk of his salary (more than half) to get him off the roster.

Jerry Crasnick said he's heard whispers of a Luis Castillo-for-Mike Lowell deal, as Pedroia has been mulling over a move to shortstop.

Shit, I'd definitely take a majorly discounted Lowell as a platoon guy for Murphy...AND it gets Castillo off the books and gives the Mets a shot to bring in Hudson. I like it.
Yeah, they were willing to pay like 9M of the 12-13?M owed to him next year in that Texas trade before his injuries came up apparently.

Read something that they're close to moving Kotchman so maybe they just hold on to Lowell as a backup 3B-1B/part-time DH type guy. I mean if they're gonna pay almost his full salary in a trade anyway, doesn't seem like a crazy idea.
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The more I think about it, the more I think the bullpen newcomers (Kelvim Escobar and Ryota Igarashi) are the major wildcards to the Mets' season. Barring a shocking trade for Big Z, I don't think their rotation is going to be majorly improved regardless of what SP they wind up getting.

But, that brings me to thinking about the 2006 team that romped the National League despite not having that good of a rotation...their "ace" was Tom Glavine because Pedro only pitched like half the year and had an ERA over 4 for the first time in his career (as opposed to this Mets team that has a sure-fire, reliable ace). The '06 team won because of it's killer lineup and Heilman/Sanchez regularly shutting things down in the 7th and 8th for the first half of the year.

Given that the Mets seem to be forming a really formidable lineup (Molina is still like 95% likely to be a Met, and Delgado might be back), if Igarashi and Escobar wind up being huge hits, I think the Mets will be fine. Feliciano is also extremely dependable and I think Green will be good with a full-year in his new pitching motion.
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Braves sign Troy Glaus 1-year, $1.75 mil with incentives built in.

M's are set to aquire Casey Kotchman from the Red Sox. M's are sending over "atleast 1 minor leaguer."
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Old 01-05-2010, 07:31 PM   #889
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Holliday finally signs with the Cards.

And apparently Bill Hall is going to the Sox in the Kotchman deal. The population of black people in Boston has doubled with the Red Sox offseason moves so far.
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Old 01-05-2010, 08:42 PM   #890
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The 2 big names on the market finally sign today.

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Old 01-06-2010, 12:10 AM   #891
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Apparently the Sox named Ellsbury as their LF and Cameron as their CF next year. Not a huge announcement but a good move for them I think. Even with his age Cameron has been one of the best fielders in the game and according to defensive metrics and all that stuff Ellsbury was pretty bad last year in center.

Their offense hasn't improved too much IMO, but their defense got miles better with Beltre, Ellsbury in LF and Cameron in CF.
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Absolutely. Holliday is perfect for the Cardinals and the Cardinals are perfect for Holliday. It was meant to be.
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Holliday finally signs with the Cards.

And apparently Bill Hall is going to the Sox in the Kotchman deal. The population of black people in Boston has doubled with the Red Sox offseason moves so far.
lol Take a stroll through Roxbury bro

The Sox have been lacking lately though
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The Os are apparently interested in Billy Butler

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Old 01-06-2010, 01:42 AM   #896
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I also read the O's made an offer for Adam LaRoche, he'd be a good fit
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Maybe Supreme can get in here with some Reds insight...has there been ANY indication at all that Brandon Phillips is even available? It's clear that Harang and Arroyo are at least being shopped around, but all over the place Mets fans are saying they'd love to swing a deal for Arroyo and Phillips as though it were said ANYWHERE that he was even available.

The only thing even close that I can think of was that article a couple weeks back that said the Mets were working on getting "several players" from the Reds including Arroyo...but it would make absolute zero sense for the Reds to trade Phillips to the Mets seeing as Luis Castillo would have to be part of the deal. Yeah he makes less than Phillips, but he's still got $12M guaranteed over the next two years.

So yeah...just wondering if there are talks of moving Phillips anywhere that I missed or something, cause I'm not sure why people talk of him as though he's available.
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I don't see it happening now, at least not any time soon. He's the face of the franchise. I think rumors of his availability started when it just so happened that the amount the Reds were trimming salary by happened to be the exact amount Phillips is going to make.
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I also read the O's made an offer for Adam LaRoche, he'd be a good fit
they're also possibly in on Jorge Cantu now that the Marlins dont wanna move Dan Uggla all of a sudden. Cantu can play a bunch of positions, especially the corners.
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Apparently the Sox named Ellsbury as their LF and Cameron as their CF next year. Not a huge announcement but a good move for them I think. Even with his age Cameron has been one of the best fielders in the game and according to defensive metrics and all that stuff Ellsbury was pretty bad last year in center.

Their offense hasn't improved too much IMO, but their defense got miles better with Beltre, Ellsbury in LF and Cameron in CF.
That was one of their 2 main goals this off-season : fix the defense and do something to fix the bullpen (bullpen probably only gets figured out during Spring Training).
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That was one of their 2 main goals this off-season : fix the defense and do something to fix the bullpen (bullpen probably only gets figured out during Spring Training).
Yeah, their defense is ridiculously better this year. The only position with subpar defense seems to be Martinez at catcher. Hard to argue that they don't have the best defensive team going into next year.

Going from Bay to Ellsbury and Ellsbury to Cameron is definitely huge. What I saw from Lowell last year (when they played the Yanks) he could barely move at third base. While Beltre is one of the best defensive 3B in the game.

Pretty obvious what the Sox went for, pitching and defense. Yankees kinda going the same route with Gardner in LF. Taking a hit on offense to get a huge defensive upgrade. Hope they actually put Gardner in CF and Granderson in LF though.
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I don't see it happening now, at least not any time soon. He's the face of the franchise. I think rumors of his availability started when it just so happened that the amount the Reds were trimming salary by happened to be the exact amount Phillips is going to make.
Yeah I figured as much. Trading Phillips at this point would be terrible for the Reds unless some team were to blow them out of the water with an offer. If anything they probably wait until the trading deadline.
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As long as Red Sox fans can look past the strikeouts (something the average Brewers fan never seemed to be able to do, for some reason), they're going to love Cameron. Exactly the type of player that they've grown to love -- hustles on the bases (don't be fooled by low SB numbers last year, because Ken Macha didn't let the Brewers run), goes all out for every ball hit to the outfield, and above average offense for his position. I still think that deal was a steal, and I'll miss him.
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Yeah, Cameron is an extremely likable player. Shame his final Mets moment was that awful collision with Beltran.
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Andre Dawson voted into the 2010 Hall of Fame. Roberto Alomar and Bert Blyleven didn't make it. Held back by roughly 5 votes.
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Alomar not getting in on the first ballot is an absolute joke, and is clearly due to his personal life, not his on-field accomplishments
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yeah, agreed, that is seriously stupid
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Keeping Robbie Alomar out for any reason, whether it's the spitting incident or a group of writers spewing garbage about him not being a "first-ballot Hall of Fame player," is just stupid.

Voting Dawson in at all is stupid, too, let alone as the only member of his class. He's not an all-time great, and this just reeks of the writers saying, "Shit, we voted in Jim Rice...now we can't keep Dawson out."

And Barry Larkin really got screwed with the percentage of votes he got. If he played in a bigger city than Cincinnati, people would be calling him one of the greatest shortstops ever.
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Last week Jack McCafferty was on ESPN Radio Philly and he read his Hall of Fame ballot. He kept Alomar off the ballot, calling him a disgrace to the game for spitting on an umpire, but included Mark McGwire and even acknowledged that he believes McGwire used steroids. Haven't been that mad at the radio in a long time.
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Old 01-06-2010, 06:43 PM   #911
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Nevermind the fact that the ump Alomar spit on has long since forgiven him and touted him for the Hall of Fame, while McGwire still isn't talking. You gotta love backwards sportswriter logic.
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HOF voting is a joke this year.

Andre Dawson career .323 OBP gets in?

I never understood why Blyleven isn't in. 287 wins (SIXTY shutouts) for a last place team, more 1-0 victories than anyone in baseball history, 5th all time in strikeouts. You know who has more shutouts than him? Walter Johnson, Pete Alexander, Christy Matthewson, Cy Young, Eddie Plank, Warren Spahn, Nolan Ryan and Tom Seaver. That's IT.

Roberto Alomar was one of the best second basemen of all time. Ridiculous snubbing.

Barry Larkin I feel should be in, great shortstop. He'll get in in a few years.

Please drop Jack Morris from the ballot, will be mad pissed if he gets in. If Jack Morris gets in Mike Mussina is guaranteed in.

Throwing my support behind Edgar Martinez also. Great hitter, best DH of all time.

Tim Raines and Alan Trammel are borderline for me but they both should probably get in.
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Next year might be even more tougher for Alomar and Blyleven since ESPN said the big names comming in will be Rafael Palmeiro, Juan Gonzalez, Larry Walker, Jeff Bagwell, John Franco and Kevin Brown.

Blyleven should make it since he was just 5 votes away.
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Also all of the steroid era players should get in. They juiced when it wasn't enforced and was as much of a part of the game as cracker jacks and God Bless America. They cheated, but everyone cheated so the playing field was pretty balanced. The best steroid injected players amongst a league of steroid injected players were still the best players of the era. Pretty sure it wasn't just Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa and Alex Rodriguez who juiced. Guillermo Mota, David Segui, Armando Rias, Jeremy Giambi and Nook Logan were pretty pedestrian no?
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Next year might be even more tougher for Alomar and Blyleven since ESPN said the big names comming in will be Rafael Palmeiro, Juan Gonzalez, Larry Walker, Jeff Bagwell, John Franco and Kevin Brown.

Blyleven should make it since he was just 5 votes away.
Palmeiro won't get in for lying under oath.

Juan Gonzalez - 434 HR and 2 MVP awards... borderline, gets in eventually.

Larry Walker was too Coors field enhanced.

Bagwell is a slam dunk first ballot HOF.

John Franco and Kevin Brown have no chance.

Next year we'll have Bagwell, Alomar and Blyleven in. Barry Larkin will come close.
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I doubt the writers going to put in 3 players in a single year since they almost never do it. Blyleven should be able to get the necessary votes easily and Alomar should get the small boost needed but after that the usual splits start occurring.
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Looking at the list of first-time eligibles for next year, I do have to say I feel bad for Johnny Franco. 4th all time in saves (and was only the 2nd to get to 400 saves)...but the longevity factor ultimately is gonna spell doom for him. Had he hung 'em up after 1999 when he already had 400 saves and Armando Benitez was to be the new closer, I think he would have definitely gotten in. He might have even gotten in if he had retired after Tommy John surgery in '01. But those extra years after that I think fucked up his chances.

Looking forward to the Class of 2013...which will likely include Mike Piazza HOPEFULLY the first guy to go in as a Met since Seaver
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Was thinking about this earlier. What cap should Randy Johnson wear in Cooperstown? D'Backs or Mariners?
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I think it's easily Arizona. He won a World Series and 4 of his 5 Cy Youngs there. His numbers in Seattle were good but not incredible...his numbers in Arizona were.

Strikeout totals during his first tour in Arizona:
1999 - 364
2000 - 347
2001 - 372
2002 - 334
2003 - 125 (only 114 IP)
2004 - 290 (as a 40 year old).

He spent slightly more time with Seattle, but his most memorable moments came in Arizona.
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Alomar needs like 5 more votes to get in. He gets in.

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Was thinking about this earlier. What cap should Randy Johnson wear in Cooperstown? D'Backs or Mariners?
Definitely D'Backs, has his ring with them, 4 of his 5 Cy Youngs and definitely the best years of his career.
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