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Old 05-31-2022, 06:55 AM   #9801
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Old 05-31-2022, 09:34 AM   #9802
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We’re not talking about a CM Punk who mattered for a month in 2011 either. What needle is Punk moving? Interest in AEW is going down, not up. Goldberg does make an impact on the ratings and is part of their Saudi deal which makes them millions upon millions of dollars. CM Punk sells maybe 20k t-shirts.
I agree with the point you are making but CM Punk "mattered" for more than a month in 2011 lol that is definitely an exaggeration. I do however think Goldberg even as shitty as he is now would be more of a draw than Punk as that seems to be an argument here. A lot of casual fans from the 99s who don't watch wrestling now would tune in to see Goldberg just off his name. Not saying that's a huge needle mover but his name does have value
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Old 05-31-2022, 09:49 AM   #9803
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On Punk as the lead guy... look there was only one Hogan. WWF didn't have Hogan for over 3 years before they found their next solid leader in Austin. In WCW, before Hogan, the "lead guy" was usually Ric Flair whom like CM Punk, wasn't really a needle mover. Would he sell our certain buildings? Sure likely, would he have sold merch on a large scale had it been the focus? Probably... Very similar to Punk in the trajectory of his career.

Punk was a long term multiple time champion years ago, just like Flair was in WCW in the mid 90's.

Sure Punk isn't Roman Reigns but he's pretty much the best thing they've got as far as a guy with his own brand is concerned.

AEW already milked Jericho in the beginning for his leadership, he's still a huge deal for AEW and continually delivering but for main guy, Punk is the best choice. You might think Danielson but I have a feeling he's not "up" for that role, at least right now.
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Old 05-31-2022, 09:53 AM   #9804
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I really look forward to seeing CM Punk try to pull off all the crazy spots Omega will put him through after the Hangman match. I expect a few flubs and lol's. I've always noticed that about Punk though, he isn't technically perfect at all. He is almost sloppy at times, however I've found it to kind of be a level of realism that I tend to enjoy.

In the MITB match with Cena I remember noticing that he was kind of sloppy on some of his moves and selling but it didn't look cookie cutter like everyone else and I appreciated that.

I actually rewatched the Hangman match yesterday because I was so tired when it was going live and it was great. The botched lariats really didn't matter and it just came off realistic to me.
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They claim it was from the Darby Allin match. With if true, he needs to be off all shows until he's 100% moving forward.
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On Punk as the lead guy... look there was only one Hogan. WWF didn't have Hogan for over 3 years before they found their next solid leader in Austin. In WCW, before Hogan, the "lead guy" was usually Ric Flair whom like CM Punk, wasn't really a needle mover. Would he sell our certain buildings? Sure likely, would he have sold merch on a large scale had it been the focus? Probably... Very similar to Punk in the trajectory of his career.

Punk was a long term multiple time champion years ago, just like Flair was in WCW in the mid 90's.

Sure Punk isn't Roman Reigns but he's pretty much the best thing they've got as far as a guy with his own brand is concerned.

AEW already milked Jericho in the beginning for his leadership, he's still a huge deal for AEW and continually delivering but for main guy, Punk is the best choice. You might think Danielson but I have a feeling he's not "up" for that role, at least right now.
Lol, I don’t know if this is you playing into your gimmick, but Flair was actually money. CM Punk is not money. He never was outside of merch (lol at Flair and merch).
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Old 05-31-2022, 11:24 AM   #9810
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I agree with the point you are making but CM Punk "mattered" for more than a month in 2011 lol that is definitely an exaggeration. I do however think Goldberg even as shitty as he is now would be more of a draw than Punk as that seems to be an argument here. A lot of casual fans from the 99s who don't watch wrestling now would tune in to see Goldberg just off his name. Not saying that's a huge needle mover but his name does have value
I’m exaggerating in the sense that he mattered because he was significantly pushed. But when you’re talking about the actual impact to business Punk made, that was greatly exaggerated by fans. By time you get to SummerSlam ‘11, the buys are actually down from the year previous. By about the buyrate of an AEW PPV.
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Random idea: Will Hobbs should win the AEW World Title at Forbidden Door in Punk’s first major defense of the belt.

Have Hobbs win the shot suddenly and rekindle the issues with Punk from last year. He challenges in the middle of the show. Okada/Danielson main events. Hobbs doesn’t destroy Punk, per se, but outclasses him. He wins the belt and cuts a promo in the back about how they didn’t put him in the main event because they didn’t think he would win. CM Punk may be a snake trying to be an honest man, but he just proved “Best in the World” is a lie.

What does this achieve? It gets the belt off the polarizing Punk and onto a young guy that can be their star. It tells the story of a guy actually getting better and grabbing the brass ring. It puts a guy that WBD might see appeal in to a starring role and shakes up the entire creative vibe of AEW.
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Old 05-31-2022, 11:43 AM   #9812
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It also helps Ricky Starks and Hook’s status with the company.
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CM Punk main evented like 2 PPVs the entire 434 days he was champion without Cena or Rock. That is in no way carrying the business or mattering the same way these PHIListines like to pretend he did.
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Wade Keller’s said something about the MJF situation.

Apparently MJF was signed for an AEW starter deal for about $40k-$70. He got a raise at some point to make “a couple of hundred thousand.” There are a bunch of people in AEW who make four or five times what he makes. Two of the names mentioned were Malakai Black and Mark Henry.

So no new information, really — but holy fuck at Malakai Black making the big bank and basically being a goofy mid-carder. And at Mark Henry being paid so much to be a meme on Rampage.

AEW, folks.
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Wade Keller’s said something about the MJF situation.

Apparently MJF was signed for an AEW starter deal for about $40k-$70. He got a raise at some point to make “a couple of hundred thousand.” There are a bunch of people in AEW who make four or five times what he makes. Two of the names mentioned were Malakai Black and Mark Henry.

So no new information, really — but holy fuck at Malakai Black making the big bank and basically being a goofy mid-carder. And at Mark Henry being paid so much to be a meme on Rampage.

AEW, folks.
Yeah, but they are making more now with CM Punk then they were before adding $50 million in payroll, according to Tiny Khan
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CM Punk main evented like 2 PPVs the entire 434 days he was champion without Cena or Rock. That is in no way carrying the business or mattering the same way these PHIListines like to pretend he did.
He’s also whinging that the company kept him down. If Del Rio or Sheamus came out and said the same thing, how would they react?

CM Punk got opportunity after opportunity since about 2008. They put the big gold belt on him 3 times before he even cut the promo.
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He’s also whinging that the company kept him down. If Del Rio or Sheamus came out and said the same thing, how would they react?

CM Punk got opportunity after opportunity since about 2008. They put the big gold belt on him 3 times before he even cut the promo.
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Is there any way AEW is ever going to be able to make the money back on its expenses? When you think about how much they must spend on talent…holy shit. Then you’ve got stories about the video game being “severely” over budget. The head developer just left Yukes (to go and work for WWE 2k, funnily enough).

Why would Warner Bros Discovery pay them significantly more money? If they were pulling in significant advertising money with the ad revenue split, then they wouldn’t be scaling back their stages and be so much in the red.

I’ve also been reading about how their merchandise doesn’t make them much. They’d logically get about $2 million per PPV back. What sort of revenue stream is going to make AEW the money back?

It’s fucking bonkers.
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When Tony Khan needs to start making up for some of his losses and he starts doing blood money shows, do you think CM Punk works them and how quickly does he suck that dick?
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I’m kidding — I don’t think there would be the interest in bringing in AEW to do a blood money show.
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Old 05-31-2022, 03:25 PM   #9823
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But that’s what I mean: This thing is too niche to even sell out.
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Old 05-31-2022, 03:31 PM   #9824
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Re: Jeff Hardy:

WWE don’t look like such idiots offering the guy a reduced contract when he pissed clean after they fired him for walking out, do they?
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Old 05-31-2022, 03:58 PM   #9825
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You need to get on top of this Jeff situation. It doesn’t have an easy fix though. When the guy is home, bored, that’s when he takes a lot of something and operates vehicles into trees. Giving him “time off” isn’t necessarily the best thing for him.

I think you’ve got to sit him down and give him the choice of a full release OR stay with the company in a different capacity. Road agent, ambassador — fuck, Jeff’s obviously never been a talker, but why not trial him as an announcer on Dark or Elevate as a challenge for him? He might have a subtle knack for it. Sometimes the best commentators aren’t anywhere near the best promos.

But he is a tragedy waiting to happen if they either burn him out or let him get bored. It’s a PR nightmare, and it’s not just them that eats it. WWE will be in the news that day too (which is why they’ve tried to babysit him over the years).

If Tony gets out early, he might not have any on him. And if it’s Jeff’s choice to go and kill himself on Impact? That says something about his mentality right there.
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so you didn't steal that term from reddit?
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so you didn't steal that term from reddit?
I did not
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i'm gonna have to pray on this, it doesn't feel right.
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Hey, don’t put that shit on me. I’ve repped you just as much when you’ve posted an original thought. All three times.
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Hey, don’t put that shit on me. I’ve repped you just as much when you’ve posted an original thought. All three times.
Here is an original thought, get off my nuts!
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you did it wrong, fan.
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i do find the memes to be reductive...
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100k is the shit post thread, ya know?
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Get with the times old man. Making cogent points is for losers.
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Oh shit is that why you haven't made one in like 4 years?
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