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Old 01-07-2011, 01:11 PM   #1
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You have Carlos Silva, Carlos Zambrano, Tom Gorzelanny, Randy Wells, Ryan Dempster, and now Matt Garza for a rotation.

Somebody other than Garza is getting bounced out. Either via trade or to the bullpen.
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You have Carlos Silva, Carlos Zambrano, Tom Gorzelanny, Randy Wells, Ryan Dempster, and now Matt Garza for a rotation.

Somebody other than Garza is getting bounced out. Either via trade or to the bullpen.
I think it depends on who performs better in the Spring between Gorze and Silva. They had been trying to trade Gorze, but I don't think it'll happen and he ends up in the pen.

Pretty excited for Garza though.
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Old 01-07-2011, 01:22 PM   #3
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The Rays had plenty of starters as well, so they're dealing from their strength. Price, Shields, Davis, Niemann, and Hellickson is still an impressive rotation.
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The Rays had plenty of starters as well, so they're dealing from their strength. Price, Shields, Davis, Niemann, and Hellickson is still an impressive rotation.
Yup,
Problem is people don't know thesse names yet and think the Rays now have no pitching. They have pitching. If the Yankees or Red Sox have an off season the Rays will be a strong wild Card contender.
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You also have to factor in Zambrano's yearly temper tantrum so it's good to have another option while he's being a big whiny bitch who doesn't deserve to wear a professional uniform.
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The Rays are essentially rebuilding. Their GM even says they cannot sustain success on their budget, so their plans are to reload, rebuild, contend, rinse repeat. By Success I mean as a WOrld Series COntender. They lose their big names, now they are rebuilding for another run.
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The Rays used to be a $15-$20 million per year payroll team before becoming decent so it sort of makes sense why the GM or owner can't sustain long-term funding. The fanbase isn't strong enough in both revenue and interest to sustain an expensive team which probably means they don't get much in tv revenue either.

The 2010 payroll was $71 million so the team itself jumped a good $40-$50 million the last couple of years just to compete in the AL East and their youth playing great.

It won't take another 12 years to rebuild but at the same time they will be competing with the Orioles as the next team to rebound in the division unlike before when it was just the Rays alone.
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It looks like Soriano really wants to play for the Yankees. He is willing to be the 8th inning guy and that's the only team that he wouldn't mind being the 8th inning guy. But, it looks like it won't happen because they don't want to lose a pick for him.
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Classic Yankees. Won't go after a big name at the expense of their farm system.
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Old 01-08-2011, 05:42 PM   #12
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Classic Yankees. Won't go after a big name at the expense of their farm system.
I can kinda understand their reasoning a little bit. If they were saying this for Lee I would be pissed as hell. But, they do have some options for 8th inning guy. And besides with the way our offseason is going I would much rather use whatever farm resources we have for a starter or 2 at the deadline not for a 8th inning guy.

Do you know what type of free agent Andruw Jones is? Is he A or B?
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Do you know what type of free agent Andruw Jones is? Is he A or B?
Andrew Jones hasn't been a type A free agent for quite a few years now, and if memory serves, he doesn't even qualify as a type B.

EDIT - just checked; he's neither. He'd cost the Yankees (or whomever) no compensation.
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Half the people in Chicago are crying because the Cubs got Matt Garza. Crying in anger because they traded 3 of their top 10 prospects.

As a Cub fan, I'm happy with the trade. Most of the Cubs prospects end up sucking anyway.

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Half the people in Chicago are crying because the Cubs got Matt Garza. Crying in anger because they traded 3 of their top 10 prospects.

As a Cub fan, I'm happy with the trade. Most of the Cubs prospects end up sucking anyway.

Cubs fans like to complain, whether it be something good or bad, we always find something to complain about.
We'll see what they are like once they win a World Series. They have a lot to complain about. I feel kinda sorry for the Cubs and the fans.
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Half the people in Chicago are crying because the Cubs got Matt Garza. Crying in anger because they traded 3 of their top 10 prospects.

As a Cub fan, I'm happy with the trade. Most of the Cubs prospects end up sucking anyway.

Cubs fans like to complain, whether it be something good or bad, we always find something to complain about.
Cubs fans are funny. They complained when the Cubs traded DeRosa to Cleveland and got nothing in return (Chris Archer). Now they trade Archer for Garza and they treat him like he's the second coming. I doubt any of the other guys (save Lee, maybe) would have had an impact on the Cubs future. IT's not like they dont have a good catcher in Soto and aren't locked up in the outfield with big contracts into eternity.
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We won't see what its like to win a World Series...because they won't.

I'd like to see maybe another move by the Cubs this offseason...a second baseman maybe. Don't know who is available.
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People wanted Hellickson to get a start last postseason. Kid is good.
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I gotta say Tampa really scares me . With all this young pitching Tampa will be good for years to come. That's kinda why I don't want the Yankees to give away a great package for some great guy at the trade deadline. I want the Yankees to be filled with a bunch of young pitchers as well.
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Let the record show that Hardkore Kidd J just said he wants the Yankees to be more like the Devil Rays.
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I have never thought about that. But, you gotta admit it is sometimes a good strategy to have a lot of young pitchers on your team. It really does depend on how good the young pitcher/player is . Truth be told I think home grown talent is better sometimes.

I never really meant it that I want to be more like the Rays. I just think it's better sometimes to have a bunch of young promising players.

I think the Rays are gonna strike it big with this Chris Archer kid. I see big things from him.
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Brad Penny to the Tigers. 1-year, $3 mil.
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Confusing decision there at best. That whole "let's go sign a make-good contract with an American League team" approach didn't exactly go so well for Brad Penny last time around.
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So, we're in mid-January. How would you grade your favortie team's offseasons?

Despite the relative lack of moves, I'm actually giving the Mets a solid B so far. They've stuck to the plan in not overpaying for players. If Omar was still in office, he probably would have handed out a regrettable 3 or 4 year deal. They got a new front office, new manager, haven't given out any multiyear deals except a 2-year deal for DJ Carrasco which is for basically no money. All of their acquisitions thus far can fill a need in the Opening Day roster, including both of their Rule 5 picks. I like it.

I'm certain they'll add an extra starter before the season begins (hopefully Chris Young) and possibly a lefty reliever (Beimel?) although Feliciano, Choate, and Ohman's deals kinda fucked up the market. A veteran reserve outfielder is also possible, but really not necessary. Nick Evans and Jason Pridie are probably serviceable enough.

Plus, as far as I'm concerned - the offseason isn't over until that Opening Day roster is set. There's a very good chance that Oliver Perez and Luis Castillo are getting released on cut down day, which automatically adds at least half a letter grade.
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So, we're in mid-January. How would you grade your favortie team's offseasons?
I'll give the Yankees a B-

Not getting Cliff Lee really hurt them. The Hammer is back for another 2 seasons, and Jeter got re-signed for 3 more seasons for a little more than he should have gotten. But I can live with it. Feliciano will do nicely in the bullpen.

News came out today they're making a run a Justin Duchscherer. Missed all of 2009 and started 5 games in '10 before his hip gave out. Cashman had to do something. Either he's tired of waiting for Pettitte's decision, or it finally dawned on him that Nova and Mitre as the 4 and 5 starters would suck. Throw him a low-risk contract and I'll be happy because time is running out.
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I'll give the Yankees a B-

Not getting Cliff Lee really hurt them. The Hammer is back for another 2 seasons, and Jeter got re-signed for 3 more seasons for a little more than he should have gotten. But I can live with it. Feliciano will do nicely in the bullpen.

News came out today they're making a run a Justin Duchscherer. Missed all of 2009 and started 5 games in '10 before his hip gave out. Cashman had to do something. Either he's tired of waiting for Pettitte's decision, or it finally dawned on him that Nova and Mitre as the 4 and 5 starters would suck. Throw him a low-risk contract and I'll be happy because time is running out.
Yeah, but Nova does deserve to be the fifth starter at least. I think we may be able to tread water until the trade deadline. I give their offseason a C.
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I'll give the Yankees a B-

Not getting Cliff Lee really hurt them. The Hammer is back for another 2 seasons, and Jeter got re-signed for 3 more seasons for a little more than he should have gotten. But I can live with it. Feliciano will do nicely in the bullpen.
How is that a B? They lost out on their on their most desired free agent in Lee, and while Mo and Jeter being brought back are not bad moves, the team itself is not better than it was at the beginning of the off season.

I'd call the Yankees losers this off season. Outside of signing guys, who realistically weren't ever going anywhere, they didn't do anything to significantly upgrade.
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So, we're in mid-January. How would you grade your favortie team's offseasons?

My favorite team is the Cubs.

They got Carlos Pena...Matt Garza...Quade's the Manager...

...I don't know.

I'll give them a C.
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Give the Reds a B+. They had little money to work with and they lost Arthur Rhodes, but they kept Arroyo, they upgraded at shortstop, and I love love love the Bruce contract.
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Give the Reds a B+. They had little money to work with and they lost Arthur Rhodes, but they kept Arroyo, they upgraded at shortstop, and I love love love the Bruce contract.
The Bruce contract and the Arroyo extension are great, but I'm not seeing Renteria as much of an upgrade of Cabrera. Seems more like a lateral move if Renteria can stay healthy.
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The Bruce contract and the Arroyo extension are great, but I'm not seeing Renteria as much of an upgrade of Cabrera. Seems more like a lateral move if Renteria can stay healthy.
Well actually according to Walt Jocketty, the Reds are going to have Paul Janish as their starting SS heading into spring training with Renteria coming off the bench and subbing every few games. Even though we all know Dusty loves his veterans, I'm inclined to believe Janish is going to get a decent amount of innings since he's the team's best fielder.

And if Janish can hit well enough that he can stay in the lineup, having Renteria as a pinch hitter is going to be huge.
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I'll give the Red Sox an A-. I'm thrilled with almost all of the moves they've made this off-season from acquiring Gonzalez to signing Crawford, Jenks, and Wheeler. The only negative for me is that Gonzalez hasn't been signed to a contract extension yet, but that may happen in March or at the beginning of the season.
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C- for Yankees. I would have given them a D but I approve of keeping Gardner over spending money for Crawford.
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I am truly confident that the trade deadline will be A-. The Red Sox by far had the greatest off season.
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