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Old 12-23-2005, 08:16 PM   #1
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It's pretty funny how Ricciardi said just yesterday that the talks weren't going anywhere and he had no idea where these rumors were comming from.
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Im pretty surprised he waived the no trade clause.
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Glaus also may be open to playing for the Jays because his wife, Ann, is an equestrian rider who often travels to the east coast for competitions. His contract includes an additional $250,000 per year to help finance his wife's career.


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Dec 23 - So far, no one has met the Orioles' asking price for shortstop Miguel Tejada, The Baltimore Sun reports. The most serious talks have been with the Cubs, who are offering a package that includes right-handed pitcher Mark Prior. Baltimore would prefer Carlos Zambrano because of Prior's recent history of elbow troubles. The Cubs reportedly want left-hander Erik Bedard in the deal, but won't include top outfield prospect Felix Pie.
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Old 12-23-2005, 08:55 PM   #7
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Hey VEL, just curious, from a Red Sox fans point of view, which player going from Boston to New York hurt the most:

1. Wade Boggs
2. Roger Clemens (even though he went to Toronto first)
3. Johnny Damon

I'm not being malicious, i'm just curious of your opinion.
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Old 12-23-2005, 10:13 PM   #8
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Hey VEL, just curious, from a Red Sox fans point of view, which player going from Boston to New York hurt the most:

1. Wade Boggs
2. Roger Clemens (even though he went to Toronto first)
3. Johnny Damon

I'm not being malicious, i'm just curious of your opinion.
Honeslty "going to the yankees" none of the above.

Tony Clark, he was supposed to be a force here and he sucked, and they stuck with him and he sucked and he made good money and then went to the Yankees and had a good year.

Boggs didn't mean much, because he was on the downside of his career, was a very selfish player and didn't have a ton of fans after the whole Margo Adams things.

Clemens did hurt, but the pain was already felt when he had those great years in Toronto, which he went to "be closer to home".

Damon, he's in his prime and it's a direct swing, (- for red sox, + for yankees) but that being said, he's 32, and had his best year every (including playing through injuries) in a contract year. I would have liked to see him stay, and would have considered 5yr 50mil, but I wouldn't have given him the contract the yanks did...

So yeah, me Personally Tony Clark.
Most Red Sox fans over time Roger Clemens
Current knee jerk reacion, Damon.

But keep in mind there has been many more, plus I think a few yankees that went to the red sox.
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Yawn, really, nothing new? come'on... I mean... at least try and be a poster, rather then a poster child.

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Clemens going sucked the most. Watching him fail in the playoffs was pretty sweet though. I mean the Yankees still won which sucked since I hate them, but he didn't really help, if anything he hurt them. I

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The Red Sox can't afford to trade Manny for Prior, the offense would be non-existant compared to years past. Losing Damon already hurts.

The other thing, just because the Red Sox need a player doesn't mean they can get him. Sure the Twins need offense, but they aren't just going to make a bad trade with the Red Sox so they can have a center fielder. What bats would the Red Sox have that would justify the Twins giving up the face of their franchise?
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The Red Sox can't afford to trade Manny for Prior, the offense would be non-existant compared to years past. Losing Damon already hurts.

The other thing, just because the Red Sox need a player doesn't mean they can get him. Sure the Twins need offense, but they aren't just going to make a bad trade with the Red Sox so they can have a center fielder. What bats would the Red Sox have that would justify the Twins giving up the face of their franchise?
if they delt Manny for prior it would free up a lot of money and I'm sure they wouldn't stop there.

As for Hunter, something like Milledge, Marte and a picther like Arroyo. would be the type of package I'd think both teams would look at.

Twins get young, cheap, good prospects and a mlb pitcher.

Assuming the sox make a sign before trade deal, meaning they sign Hunter before the trade, I could even see possible a pitching prospect tossed in by the sox, making it a 4-1.
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Red Sox then send the prospect to TB for Julio "May or may not have beaten his wife" Lugo
yeah, been hearing a lot of "lugo talk", you know my feelings on him... that being said, I like his stats in 2005, but not before then.

Also, can he move to SS? or does Loretta move to SS?
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Move from where? Lugo's a natural SS and has played there his whole career.

If need be, Loretta moving to SS wouldn't be that big of a deal, I believe he came up as one with Milwaukee and has a lot of experience there and at 3B. He definately has the arm for it.
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But why would the Twins, with the best pitcher in the AL and one of the top overall staffs, go after more prospects when in reality they are probably just as close as the Red Sox to making the next step.
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Move from where? Lugo's a natural SS and has played there his whole career.
I thought he was a SS, when I clicked on mlb.com they have him listed as a 2B.

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Because I believe he's a free agent after this year? and they can't afford to keep him and 2-3 prospects (2 of which are MLB ready) plus another young pitcher, who doesn't make a lot would give them more players/depth for the same or less money.
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I just hate the attitude that the rest of the MLB is around to develop players for New York/Boston. Oakland doesn't really help that, but thats basically how baseball reporting goes. Who gives Boston/New York their players next.

I'm not meaning to call you out VEL, because it is obviously concievable and has been talked about, but I really wish there was some variety in the league so that it's not a disappointing year when the Yankees or Red Sox don't win the World Series.
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I just hate the attitude that the rest of the MLB is around to develop players for New York/Boston. Oakland doesn't really help that, but thats basically how baseball reporting goes. Who gives Boston/New York their players next.

I'm not meaning to call you out VEL, because it is obviously concievable and has been talked about, but I really wish there was some variety in the league so that it's not a disappointing year when the Yankees or Red Sox don't win the World Series.
It's not the sox/yanks, it does seem that way because they are the top two spenders in one of if not the biggest TV market for MLB.

But it's the big market vs. small market.

Red Sox, NYY, NYM, LAD, LAA, Phl, STL even SF.

All teams that have money and spend money.

Teams like Minnesota either don't have money or choose not to spend it (which in the case of minnesota it's always said that it's part of both, but Bean or another minnesotan could probably tell more).

What bugs me, are the teams that "choose not to spend" and then cry about the teams who do.

One of the few things I ever agreed with stienbrenner on, if the point of the "luxury tax" is to help even the playing field, then a team should be required to spend the luxury tax they receive on their payroll, some teams receive the tax and don't increase or even end up decreasing payroll, which is clearly not that the tax was meant for.
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I just hate the attitude that the rest of the MLB is around to develop players for New York/Boston. Oakland doesn't really help that, but thats basically how baseball reporting goes. Who gives Boston/New York their players next.

I'm not meaning to call you out VEL, because it is obviously concievable and has been talked about, but I really wish there was some variety in the league so that it's not a disappointing year when the Yankees or Red Sox don't win the World Series.
Also, I don't think (except for their fans and the MLB Advertising sales) it's "disappointing year" when the red sox or yanks don't win the WS.

That being said, with the big payrolls, heek in mind for every Manny or A-rod, their's a Kevin Brown.
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I just hate the attitude that the rest of the MLB is around to develop players for New York/Boston. Oakland doesn't really help that, but thats basically how baseball reporting goes. Who gives Boston/New York their players next.
Why Oakland? Giambi is the only one. Foulke and Damon did not come up with Oakland and each spent a total of one year there.
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Old 12-24-2005, 11:15 PM   #31
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Why Oakland? Giambi is the only one. Foulke and Damon did not come up with Oakland and each spent a total of one year there.
But, in both cases (Foulke & Damon) they "couldn't afford to keep them" also, don't forget Tijada and Hudson and Mulder.

They are always considered a "small market" team, which you would think they should have no problems out there, I think because of the choices Billy Beane makes with his "money ball" system, it makes them possible look "more poor" then they actually are.
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But, in both cases (Foulke & Damon) they "couldn't afford to keep them" also, don't forget Tijada and Hudson and Mulder.

They are always considered a "small market" team, which you would think they should have no problems out there, I think because of the choices Billy Beane makes with his "money ball" system, it makes them possible look "more poor" then they actually are.
Damon was not wanted back, he had an awful year in 2001.

I'd love to hear what choices you think Beane makes that make them look poorer, VEL.
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Old 12-25-2005, 03:51 AM   #33
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I'd love to hear what choices you think Beane makes that make them look poorer, VEL.
Giambi, Foulke, Damon, Tijada, Hudson, Mulder, Dye, Isringhausen.

Are you saying they couldn't afford to keep any of those players?
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A Kelly Johnson/Matt Diaz platoon will likely equal his production. If Langerhans nets you David Riske or another good reliever it is certainly worth it.
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hey LC, or EOE (first two NYY fans that come to mind) why didn't Johnson want to pitch to Porsada last year? and think it will effect him that the Red Sox signed "his catcher". Who started his career with Boston 15yrs ago...)
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hey LC, or EOE (first two NYY fans that come to mind) why didn't Johnson want to pitch to Porsada last year? and think it will effect him that the Red Sox signed "his catcher". Who started his career with Boston 15yrs ago...)
I think it was just a matter of preferance. Johnson was comfortable with how Flaherty caught him and i would guess how he called the game. Honestly, i don't think it will affect him much. How could it? I don't think he could be quite as bad as last year.
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I think it was just a matter of preferance. Johnson was comfortable with how Flaherty caught him and i would guess how he called the game. Honestly, i don't think it will affect him much. How could it? I don't think he could be quite as bad as last year.
I thought he was good the 2nd half last year? maybe, I just caught him in a few good games.

I just hope Flahrety can catch a knuckleball, cause that's going to be his job, once every 5 games, catch wakefield.
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I thought he was good the 2nd half last year? maybe, I just caught him in a few good games.

I just hope Flahrety can catch a knuckleball, cause that's going to be his job, once every 5 games, catch wakefield.
He had glimmers a couple of games, but other than that, he was a disappointment in my eyes. I expect him to bounce back. It seems all the Yanks big signings do better their second year. Its almost like, the Yanks sign a big player the following year and it takes the limelight and pressure off the player they signed the year before. A-Rod put up better numbers his second year and so did Tino (when he originally signed), Giambi and probably more. I expect Johnson to be way better this year. Not quite his old self, but close.
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In terms of success, the A's are perennially competitive in the division but they have never really contended for a World Series. I don't believe this current era of A's has made it out of the first round has it?

So I would say Billy Beane has done more to keep his team competitive than to win a World Series. You would have to assume that just one of those players could have made the difference, Tejada, Giambi, Damon, Dye, Hudson, Mulder, Isringhausen.

They are just like the Twins, always a step behind what they need because they aren't willing to spend the money to get it. So while I would rather be a fan of the A's than the Royals, I wouldn't call his way of spending to be perfect.
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