MLB 2005-2006 Offseason Thread - Page 26

**McDoogle** · 12-23-2005, 08:16 PM

Source?

It's pretty funny how Ricciardi said just yesterday that the talks weren't going anywhere and he had no idea where these rumors were comming from.

**McDoogle** · 12-23-2005, 08:17 PM

He looks like an ugly monkey.

**The Miz** · 12-23-2005, 08:25 PM

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5192008

**McDoogle** · 12-23-2005, 08:27 PM

Im pretty surprised he waived the no trade clause.

**McDoogle** · 12-23-2005, 08:29 PM

Glaus also may be open to playing for the Jays because his wife, Ann, is an equestrian rider who often travels to the east coast for competitions. His contract includes an additional $250,000 per year to help finance his wife's career.

Friggin women.

**Joey Slugs** · 12-23-2005, 08:42 PM

Friday, December 23
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Miguel Tejada Orioles	Cubs Mets? Angels? Red Sox?	Prior for Tejada? Dec 23 - So far, no one has met the Orioles' asking price for shortstop Miguel Tejada, The Baltimore Sun reports. The most serious talks have been with the Cubs, who are offering a package that includes right-handed pitcher Mark Prior. Baltimore would prefer Carlos Zambrano because of Prior's recent history of elbow troubles. The Cubs reportedly want left-hander Erik Bedard in the deal, but won't include top outfield prospect Felix Pie. Cubs second baseman Todd Walker, center fielder Corey Patterson and pitcher Rich Hill have also been mentioned in a deal.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Troy Glaus Diamondbacks	Blue Jays?	Glaus to Blue Jays? Dec 23 - The Diamondbacks and Blue Jays are on the verge of completing a trade that would send Troy Glaus and a prospect to Toronto in exchange for pitcher Miguel Batista and second baseman Orlando Hudson, ESPN's Peter Gammons has learned.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Kevin Millwood Indians	Red Sox? Orioles? Rangers Nationals? Dodgers? Mariners	Rangers pitch Millwood Dec 23 - The Rangers on Thursday stepped up their pursuit of Kevin Millwood, offering the right-handed starter a three-year deal worth more than $30 million, The Dallas Morning News reports. According to The Boston Globe, the Red Sox have expressed significant interest in Millwood. There were indications Thursday night the Red Sox were trying to arrange a visit for Millwood. Millwood's agent, Scott Boras, is believed to be seeking a five-year deal.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Julio Lugo Devil Rays	Red Sox	Holiday package Dec 23 - The Devil Rays and Red Sox continued talks Thursday about a deal that could send shortstop Julio Lugo and possibly center fielder Joey Gathright to Boston, the Tampa Tribune reports.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Eric Byrnes Orioles	Pirates	Pirates talking about Byrnes Dec 23 - After failing to land Eric Byrnes in a trade last offseason, the Pirates have renewed their interest in the free-agent outfielder, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports. Team officials have spoken the past two days with Byrnes' agent, Mike Sasson. "I really think Pittsburgh would be a great fit," Sasson told the newspaper. "It's a blue-collar town, and Eric's a lunch-pail kind of guy. He'll break through walls for you."

**Excellance of Execution** · 12-23-2005, 08:55 PM

Hey VEL, just curious, from a Red Sox fans point of view, which player going from Boston to New York hurt the most:

1. Wade Boggs
2. Roger Clemens (even though he went to Toronto first)
3. Johnny Damon

I'm not being malicious, i'm just curious of your opinion.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-23-2005, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution

Hey VEL, just curious, from a Red Sox fans point of view, which player going from Boston to New York hurt the most:

1. Wade Boggs
2. Roger Clemens (even though he went to Toronto first)
3. Johnny Damon

I'm not being malicious, i'm just curious of your opinion.

Honeslty "going to the yankees" none of the above.

Tony Clark, he was supposed to be a force here and he sucked, and they stuck with him and he sucked and he made good money and then went to the Yankees and had a good year.

Boggs didn't mean much, because he was on the downside of his career, was a very selfish player and didn't have a ton of fans after the whole Margo Adams things.

Clemens did hurt, but the pain was already felt when he had those great years in Toronto, which he went to "be closer to home".

Damon, he's in his prime and it's a direct swing, (- for red sox, + for yankees) but that being said, he's 32, and had his best year every (including playing through injuries) in a contract year. I would have liked to see him stay, and would have considered 5yr 50mil, but I wouldn't have given him the contract the yanks did...

So yeah, me Personally Tony Clark.
Most Red Sox fans over time Roger Clemens
Current knee jerk reacion, Damon.

But keep in mind there has been many more, plus I think a few yankees that went to the red sox.

**Loose Cannon** · 12-23-2005, 09:02 PM

Eric's a lunch-pail kind of guy

**Loose Cannon** · 12-23-2005, 09:58 PM

Click link to hear George's thoughts

http://www.geocities.com/bosskdawg2/ted.wav

**DaveWadding** · 12-24-2005, 01:04 AM

**The Miz** · 12-24-2005, 01:49 AM

We understand what he looks like, thanks Dave

**VonErich Lives** · 12-24-2005, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by The Miz

We understand what he looks like, thanks Dave

Damon or me?

**DaveWadding** · 12-24-2005, 01:57 AM

Welcome.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-24-2005, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveWadding

Welcome.

Yawn, really, nothing new? come'on... I mean... at least try and be a poster, rather then a poster child.

awaits the PM's.. "leave poor dave alone, all he went through, daddy raping him, mommy beating him, grandma taking him in for the SS money and being born via salad tongs giving him down syndrome, it's not he's fault he's a horrible poster that likes to dish it out but can never take it, likes to make claims and never explain them, likes to say things and when proved wrong can't be a man and admit it, really, it's not his fault"

anyway, back to baseball (but wadding, if you have a chance, don't forget the football thread, where this whole thing started of you taking a hissy fit because I said it was possible that SD could be Indy... and umm, what happened last weekend?.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-24-2005, 02:04 AM

Clemens going sucked the most. Watching him fail in the playoffs was pretty sweet though. I mean the Yankees still won which sucked since I hate them, but he didn't really help, if anything he hurt them. I

The "Rrrogggeerr" chants at Fenway where classic too.

**The Miz** · 12-24-2005, 03:33 AM

Your 2006 San Francisco Giants!

Mike Matheny, 35
Mark Sweeney, 36
Ray Durham, 34
Jose Vizcaino, 38
Omar Vizquel, 38
Barry Bonds, 41
Moises Alou, 39
Steve Finley, 40

**The Miz** · 12-24-2005, 03:41 AM

It seems likely Atlanta will send Ryan Langerhans to Cleveland, who would then send Coco Crisp to Boston

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-24-2005, 04:27 AM

lol damn Steve Finley is 40? I didn't know that. I heard something about the Red Sox being in interested in him

**BCWWF** · 12-24-2005, 04:50 AM

The Red Sox can't afford to trade Manny for Prior, the offense would be non-existant compared to years past. Losing Damon already hurts.

The other thing, just because the Red Sox need a player doesn't mean they can get him. Sure the Twins need offense, but they aren't just going to make a bad trade with the Red Sox so they can have a center fielder. What bats would the Red Sox have that would justify the Twins giving up the face of their franchise?

**VonErich Lives** · 12-24-2005, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

The Red Sox can't afford to trade Manny for Prior, the offense would be non-existant compared to years past. Losing Damon already hurts.

The other thing, just because the Red Sox need a player doesn't mean they can get him. Sure the Twins need offense, but they aren't just going to make a bad trade with the Red Sox so they can have a center fielder. What bats would the Red Sox have that would justify the Twins giving up the face of their franchise?

if they delt Manny for prior it would free up a lot of money and I'm sure they wouldn't stop there.

As for Hunter, something like Milledge, Marte and a picther like Arroyo. would be the type of package I'd think both teams would look at.

Twins get young, cheap, good prospects and a mlb pitcher.

Assuming the sox make a sign before trade deal, meaning they sign Hunter before the trade, I could even see possible a pitching prospect tossed in by the sox, making it a 4-1.

**The Miz** · 12-24-2005, 02:06 PM

Latest rumor is

Red Sox send Wells to LAD for a prospect (eith Broxton or Jackson)
Red Sox then send the prospect to TB for Julio "May or may not have beaten his wife" Lugo

**VonErich Lives** · 12-24-2005, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Miz

Latest rumor is

Red Sox send Wells to LAD for a prospect (eith Broxton or Jackson)
Red Sox then send the prospect to TB for Julio "May or may not have beaten his wife" Lugo

yeah, been hearing a lot of "lugo talk", you know my feelings on him... that being said, I like his stats in 2005, but not before then.

Also, can he move to SS? or does Loretta move to SS?

**The Miz** · 12-24-2005, 05:24 PM

Move from where? Lugo's a natural SS and has played there his whole career.

If need be, Loretta moving to SS wouldn't be that big of a deal, I believe he came up as one with Milwaukee and has a lot of experience there and at 3B. He definately has the arm for it.

**BCWWF** · 12-24-2005, 05:55 PM

But why would the Twins, with the best pitcher in the AL and one of the top overall staffs, go after more prospects when in reality they are probably just as close as the Red Sox to making the next step.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-24-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Miz

Move from where? Lugo's a natural SS and has played there his whole career.

I thought he was a SS, when I clicked on mlb.com they have him listed as a 2B.

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

But why would the Twins, with the best pitcher in the AL and one of the top overall staffs, go after more prospects when in reality they are probably just as close as the Red Sox to making the next step.

Because I believe he's a free agent after this year? and they can't afford to keep him and 2-3 prospects (2 of which are MLB ready) plus another young pitcher, who doesn't make a lot would give them more players/depth for the same or less money.

**BCWWF** · 12-24-2005, 07:11 PM

I just hate the attitude that the rest of the MLB is around to develop players for New York/Boston. Oakland doesn't really help that, but thats basically how baseball reporting goes. Who gives Boston/New York their players next.

I'm not meaning to call you out VEL, because it is obviously concievable and has been talked about, but I really wish there was some variety in the league so that it's not a disappointing year when the Yankees or Red Sox don't win the World Series.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-24-2005, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

I just hate the attitude that the rest of the MLB is around to develop players for New York/Boston. Oakland doesn't really help that, but thats basically how baseball reporting goes. Who gives Boston/New York their players next.

I'm not meaning to call you out VEL, because it is obviously concievable and has been talked about, but I really wish there was some variety in the league so that it's not a disappointing year when the Yankees or Red Sox don't win the World Series.

It's not the sox/yanks, it does seem that way because they are the top two spenders in one of if not the biggest TV market for MLB.

But it's the big market vs. small market.

Red Sox, NYY, NYM, LAD, LAA, Phl, STL even SF.

All teams that have money and spend money.

Teams like Minnesota either don't have money or choose not to spend it (which in the case of minnesota it's always said that it's part of both, but Bean or another minnesotan could probably tell more).

What bugs me, are the teams that "choose not to spend" and then cry about the teams who do.

One of the few things I ever agreed with stienbrenner on, if the point of the "luxury tax" is to help even the playing field, then a team should be required to spend the luxury tax they receive on their payroll, some teams receive the tax and don't increase or even end up decreasing payroll, which is clearly not that the tax was meant for.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-24-2005, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

I just hate the attitude that the rest of the MLB is around to develop players for New York/Boston. Oakland doesn't really help that, but thats basically how baseball reporting goes. Who gives Boston/New York their players next.

I'm not meaning to call you out VEL, because it is obviously concievable and has been talked about, but I really wish there was some variety in the league so that it's not a disappointing year when the Yankees or Red Sox don't win the World Series.

Also, I don't think (except for their fans and the MLB Advertising sales) it's "disappointing year" when the red sox or yanks don't win the WS.

That being said, with the big payrolls, heek in mind for every Manny or A-rod, their's a Kevin Brown.

**The Miz** · 12-24-2005, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

I just hate the attitude that the rest of the MLB is around to develop players for New York/Boston. Oakland doesn't really help that, but thats basically how baseball reporting goes. Who gives Boston/New York their players next.

Why Oakland? Giambi is the only one. Foulke and Damon did not come up with Oakland and each spent a total of one year there.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-24-2005, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Miz

Why Oakland? Giambi is the only one. Foulke and Damon did not come up with Oakland and each spent a total of one year there.

But, in both cases (Foulke & Damon) they "couldn't afford to keep them" also, don't forget Tijada and Hudson and Mulder.

They are always considered a "small market" team, which you would think they should have no problems out there, I think because of the choices Billy Beane makes with his "money ball" system, it makes them possible look "more poor" then they actually are.

**The Miz** · 12-24-2005, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

But, in both cases (Foulke & Damon) they "couldn't afford to keep them" also, don't forget Tijada and Hudson and Mulder.

They are always considered a "small market" team, which you would think they should have no problems out there, I think because of the choices Billy Beane makes with his "money ball" system, it makes them possible look "more poor" then they actually are.

Damon was not wanted back, he had an awful year in 2001.

I'd love to hear what choices you think Beane makes that make them look poorer, VEL.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-25-2005, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Miz

I'd love to hear what choices you think Beane makes that make them look poorer, VEL.

Giambi, Foulke, Damon, Tijada, Hudson, Mulder, Dye, Isringhausen.

Are you saying they couldn't afford to keep any of those players?

**The Outlaw** · 12-24-2005, 08:43 PM

We don't need to get rid of Langerhauns.

**The Miz** · 12-24-2005, 09:23 PM

A Kelly Johnson/Matt Diaz platoon will likely equal his production. If Langerhans nets you David Riske or another good reliever it is certainly worth it.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-24-2005, 11:17 PM

hey LC, or EOE (first two NYY fans that come to mind) why didn't Johnson want to pitch to Porsada last year? and think it will effect him that the Red Sox signed "his catcher". Who started his career with Boston 15yrs ago...)

**Excellance of Execution** · 12-25-2005, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

hey LC, or EOE (first two NYY fans that come to mind) why didn't Johnson want to pitch to Porsada last year? and think it will effect him that the Red Sox signed "his catcher". Who started his career with Boston 15yrs ago...)

I think it was just a matter of preferance. Johnson was comfortable with how Flaherty caught him and i would guess how he called the game. Honestly, i don't think it will affect him much. How could it? I don't think he could be quite as bad as last year.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-25-2005, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution

I think it was just a matter of preferance. Johnson was comfortable with how Flaherty caught him and i would guess how he called the game. Honestly, i don't think it will affect him much. How could it? I don't think he could be quite as bad as last year.

I thought he was good the 2nd half last year? maybe, I just caught him in a few good games.

I just hope Flahrety can catch a knuckleball, cause that's going to be his job, once every 5 games, catch wakefield.

**Excellance of Execution** · 12-25-2005, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

I thought he was good the 2nd half last year? maybe, I just caught him in a few good games.

I just hope Flahrety can catch a knuckleball, cause that's going to be his job, once every 5 games, catch wakefield.

He had glimmers a couple of games, but other than that, he was a disappointment in my eyes. I expect him to bounce back. It seems all the Yanks big signings do better their second year. Its almost like, the Yanks sign a big player the following year and it takes the limelight and pressure off the player they signed the year before. A-Rod put up better numbers his second year and so did Tino (when he originally signed), Giambi and probably more. I expect Johnson to be way better this year. Not quite his old self, but close.

**BCWWF** · 12-25-2005, 12:42 AM

In terms of success, the A's are perennially competitive in the division but they have never really contended for a World Series. I don't believe this current era of A's has made it out of the first round has it?

So I would say Billy Beane has done more to keep his team competitive than to win a World Series. You would have to assume that just one of those players could have made the difference, Tejada, Giambi, Damon, Dye, Hudson, Mulder, Isringhausen.

They are just like the Twins, always a step behind what they need because they aren't willing to spend the money to get it. So while I would rather be a fan of the A's than the Royals, I wouldn't call his way of spending to be perfect.

12-23-2005, 08:16 PM	#1
McDoogle The Greatness That Is Me Posts: 3,593	Source? It's pretty funny how Ricciardi said just yesterday that the talks weren't going anywhere and he had no idea where these rumors were comming from.

12-23-2005, 08:17 PM	#2
McDoogle The Greatness That Is Me Posts: 3,593	He looks like an ugly monkey.

12-23-2005, 08:25 PM	#3
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5192008

12-23-2005, 08:27 PM	#4
McDoogle The Greatness That Is Me Posts: 3,593	Im pretty surprised he waived the no trade clause.

12-23-2005, 08:29 PM	#5
McDoogle The Greatness That Is Me Posts: 3,593	Glaus also may be open to playing for the Jays because his wife, Ann, is an equestrian rider who often travels to the east coast for competitions. His contract includes an additional $250,000 per year to help finance his wife's career. Friggin women.

12-23-2005, 08:55 PM	#7
Excellance of Execution Hitman Mark Posts: 295	Hey VEL, just curious, from a Red Sox fans point of view, which player going from Boston to New York hurt the most: 1. Wade Boggs 2. Roger Clemens (even though he went to Toronto first) 3. Johnny Damon I'm not being malicious, i'm just curious of your opinion.

12-23-2005, 09:02 PM	#9
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	Eric's a lunch-pail kind of guy

12-23-2005, 09:58 PM	#10
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	Click link to hear George's thoughts http://www.geocities.com/bosskdawg2/ted.wav

12-24-2005, 01:04 AM	#11
DaveWadding LIMITLESS Posts: 32,276

12-24-2005, 01:49 AM	#12
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	We understand what he looks like, thanks Dave

12-24-2005, 01:57 AM	#14
DaveWadding LIMITLESS Posts: 32,276	Welcome.

12-24-2005, 02:04 AM	#16
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Clemens going sucked the most. Watching him fail in the playoffs was pretty sweet though. I mean the Yankees still won which sucked since I hate them, but he didn't really help, if anything he hurt them. I The "Rrrogggeerr" chants at Fenway where classic too.

12-24-2005, 03:33 AM	#17
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Your 2006 San Francisco Giants! Mike Matheny, 35 Mark Sweeney, 36 Ray Durham, 34 Jose Vizcaino, 38 Omar Vizquel, 38 Barry Bonds, 41 Moises Alou, 39 Steve Finley, 40

12-24-2005, 03:41 AM	#18
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	It seems likely Atlanta will send Ryan Langerhans to Cleveland, who would then send Coco Crisp to Boston

12-24-2005, 04:27 AM	#19
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	lol damn Steve Finley is 40? I didn't know that. I heard something about the Red Sox being in interested in him

12-24-2005, 04:50 AM	#20
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	The Red Sox can't afford to trade Manny for Prior, the offense would be non-existant compared to years past. Losing Damon already hurts. The other thing, just because the Red Sox need a player doesn't mean they can get him. Sure the Twins need offense, but they aren't just going to make a bad trade with the Red Sox so they can have a center fielder. What bats would the Red Sox have that would justify the Twins giving up the face of their franchise?

12-24-2005, 02:06 PM	#22
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Latest rumor is Red Sox send Wells to LAD for a prospect (eith Broxton or Jackson) Red Sox then send the prospect to TB for Julio "May or may not have beaten his wife" Lugo

12-24-2005, 05:24 PM	#24
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Move from where? Lugo's a natural SS and has played there his whole career. If need be, Loretta moving to SS wouldn't be that big of a deal, I believe he came up as one with Milwaukee and has a lot of experience there and at 3B. He definately has the arm for it.

12-24-2005, 05:55 PM	#25
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	But why would the Twins, with the best pitcher in the AL and one of the top overall staffs, go after more prospects when in reality they are probably just as close as the Red Sox to making the next step.

12-24-2005, 07:11 PM	#27
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I just hate the attitude that the rest of the MLB is around to develop players for New York/Boston. Oakland doesn't really help that, but thats basically how baseball reporting goes. Who gives Boston/New York their players next. I'm not meaning to call you out VEL, because it is obviously concievable and has been talked about, but I really wish there was some variety in the league so that it's not a disappointing year when the Yankees or Red Sox don't win the World Series.

12-24-2005, 08:43 PM	#34
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	We don't need to get rid of Langerhauns.

12-24-2005, 09:23 PM	#35
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	A Kelly Johnson/Matt Diaz platoon will likely equal his production. If Langerhans nets you David Riske or another good reliever it is certainly worth it.

12-24-2005, 11:17 PM	#36
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	hey LC, or EOE (first two NYY fans that come to mind) why didn't Johnson want to pitch to Porsada last year? and think it will effect him that the Red Sox signed "his catcher". Who started his career with Boston 15yrs ago...)

12-25-2005, 12:42 AM	#40
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	In terms of success, the A's are perennially competitive in the division but they have never really contended for a World Series. I don't believe this current era of A's has made it out of the first round has it? So I would say Billy Beane has done more to keep his team competitive than to win a World Series. You would have to assume that just one of those players could have made the difference, Tejada, Giambi, Damon, Dye, Hudson, Mulder, Isringhausen. They are just like the Twins, always a step behind what they need because they aren't willing to spend the money to get it. So while I would rather be a fan of the A's than the Royals, I wouldn't call his way of spending to be perfect.