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Old 01-11-2010, 09:33 PM   #1001
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Wondering - if Mac was close to having the votes to get in the Hall, would we still have gotten this "heartfelt confession"??
exactly my thoughts on this. I'm not going to say much because I hate talking about this steroid stuff, but it's a little too late. Good for him for putting it behind him and moving on and finally baseball fan, media, and personal can move on. But I do not feel sorry for the guy one bit.
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Old 01-11-2010, 09:42 PM   #1002
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I would think if he was close in votes then either the writers do not really care about steroid in baseball or they come to realize it would be impossible to just ignore a good 15-20+ years of players just because MLB was relaxed on drug testing (and Players Association).

I doubt he will get any closer in next few years since current mindset of most writers is that "juice = no chance" even though the Hall already contains cheaters, racists, and other less prestigious players.
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Definitely think that McGwire pinch-hit thing might come to fruition, just to give him 5 extra years before he can be eligible again.
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Old 01-11-2010, 10:55 PM   #1004
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I hate how the token steroid argument is the home run spike. Maris went from 39 to 61.
Mickey Mantle was on Amphetamines.
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If Mantle wasn't on amphetamines he wouldn't have been able to play at all due to being constantly hung over.
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Old 01-11-2010, 11:27 PM   #1006
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Mind you I think McGwire should be in the Hall of Fame, but if he get's in after admitting doing steriods that would be kind of ridiclious and make no sense.

It's pretty much The Crucible coming to life.
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lol Nelson Cruz is gonna be pushed all the way down to 7th because Ron Washington doesn't wanna stack righties

Chris Davis will be batting ahead of him...so at least if there's men on with less than 2 outs, Cruz will get a chance to drive them in once Davis strikes out
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Davis did hit .308 after he came back from the minors and at 23 you've got to give him another chance. Bill James has him down for 30 homers and 91 rbi this year.
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Chris Davis will put together a full season yet.
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:02 PM   #1010
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So who would you rather have for a 5 mill DH...Nick Johnson, or Vlad?
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Old 01-12-2010, 02:39 PM   #1011
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I really don't like the way the press is attacking the Big Mac story. Nobody is going to want to come clean now.
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It's absurd. You get lambasted for not coming forward. If you "refuse to talk about the past" you're villified. If you lie, you're villified. And now, if you come out and tell the honest truth without being forced, you're nitpicked and mocked.
What can a person do? You can't change what happened. Apparently nothing is good enough for the media. Apparently anything less than performing Harry Carry on tv and calling yourself dirt isn't enough.

What's ridiculous to me is now it seems as though people would rather the players take the Clemens or Bonds route than this one. Makes 0 sense.
Some of the writers are talking about how they can bring themselves to vote for them because "they don't know for sure they did it."
Talk about ignorance and ass-backwards logic.
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Old 01-12-2010, 03:32 PM   #1013
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How about that players association list? The names on that were leaked at oppurtune times. There is no way the full list wouldn't be out unless there were other big names squirreled away for a rainy day.
Someone will get outed from that list during spring training or around opening day.
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Old 01-12-2010, 07:00 PM   #1014
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I really don't like the way the press is attacking the Big Mac story. Nobody is going to want to come clean now.
Was thinking this earlier this morning, yeah.
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Old 01-12-2010, 09:43 PM   #1015
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MLB and MLBPA order the Marlins to spend more of their revenue share on payroll. Good sign for Fish fans with their new stadium on the way. Uggla and Johnson should be able to be resigned soon.
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Ryan Church signs a 1-year, $1.5 million deal with the Pirates. He can earn an additional $1.32 million in plate appearance performances.
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Old 01-12-2010, 10:20 PM   #1017
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From what was being said in the complaints, the Marlins owner figured out what was the bare minimum (roughly 16-30 million per year) to pay in salary to get the maximum amount of revenue sharing possible from other teams. Then pocketed the majority of the money and only gave a token boost in team salary so to not look like a cheap-ass.

It just ended up being a "fluke" they managed to have decent seasons 2 out of the last 4 years when other teams in tougher divisions or in similar money range were absolute horrible (ex. Pirates, Rays until 2 years ago)
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Old 01-12-2010, 11:22 PM   #1018
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John Smoltz says he's willing to pitch in the bullpen again. Could be pretty interesting.
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Im excited for the Giants this year now that they signed Huff, who is a significant upgrade over Travis Ishikawa.
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Old 01-13-2010, 10:09 PM   #1020
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Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus left this Tweet:

http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/statuses/7730229872

"Big news pending for the Mets. Doesn't sound good."

*prays it's just another one of Carroll's infamous misleading tweets*
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The rumor is that Carlos Beltran is out for 2010 with microfracture knee surgery.

This has to be a fucking sick joke.
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Now hearing that Beltran had microfracture knee surgery today without team permission. Not sure how much time will be missed, but the recovery time is at least 8-12 weeks AT MINIMUM

If this is true...what the fuck.
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I heard Carlos Gonzalez is supposed to be a lot like Beltran

now I'm worried he's going to be hurt all the time too
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Mets issued a press release. He'll resume baseball activities in 12 weeks. Meaning he'll still have to get in game shape after then, by which point the season will have already started.

Fuck. Let's go Angel Pagan/Fernando Martinez!
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Mets might be taking legal action on Beltran.

Kinda hope they can just void his contract. He's a good player, but he's making a shit-ton of money and his knee is obviously always getting hurt. Get his money off the books and go hog wild next offseason.
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Yeah. He went under the knife without permission, which is stupid.

But, as usual...some blame also has to go to the Mets medical staff. Beltran wanted to have surgery done on his knee in late July/early August when it became abundantly clear the Mets weren't going to be able to get back into contention. The Mets told him no, because if something went wrong it could force him to miss all of 2010.

So he rehabbed, felt good...then suddenly the injury comes back a month before ST starts and he gets the surgery anyway. He won't resume baseball activities for 8-12 weeks (since it's Beltran, probably the latter) and you'd have to assume it'll take another month to run, get the timing back, etc. So we're looking at a late May/early June return at the least. And even when he returns, one slip-up could spell the end of his Mets career.

I think the probability of Carlos Delgado coming back just increased tenfold. Also wouldn't mind checking out a guy like Reed Johnson.
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Another thing that irks me about Mets fans...they are way too sentimental about numbers. New Japanese reliever Ryota Igarashi decided he'll wear #18...probably either the number he wore in Japan or a tribute to Dice-K.

But Mets fans bitch that it's Strawberry's number. They also do the same thing with Gooden's #16. Yes, they were key pieces to the '86 team...and two of the best talents to come out of the Met system, but they could have been legendary. Their personal lives really derailed their Met careers. I'd be all for letting them into the Mets' Hall of Fame, but retire their numbers? Nah. People wanna see Gary Carter's #8 retired, but he only spent 5 years with the team. IMO, nobody should have their number retired after just 5 years unless they were to put up absolute MONSTER numbers.

I DO think somebody from the '86 team should see his number hanging in left field, and that's #17 Keith Hernandez. The trade for him marked the Mets beginning to turn the corner, and he was the leader. Nobody's been issued it so far this year, so my hope is they've finally taken it out of circulation. Maybe they are waiting til 2011 to see if the Vet's Committee lets him into the HOF (which I don't think will happen unfortunately...1B is not a position where they really look at defense. Take his career and move it to SS and he'd be in already). But yeah, his number should go up.

And Piazza's #31 probably should have been retired in 2008 before Shea closed, but I'm guessing they're waiting for his eventual HOF induction. They've not issued it since he left so I'd be shocked if it wasn't hung up eventually. The fact that they've had him stand side-by-side alone with Seaver in on-field ceremonies speaks volumes.

I think it's just another case of Mets fans looking cross town, seeing the Yanks have retired like 50 numbers...and wanting to be the same. Fuck that.
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Yeah. He went under the knife without permission, which is stupid.

But, as usual...some blame also has to go to the Mets medical staff. Beltran wanted to have surgery done on his knee in late July/early August when it became abundantly clear the Mets weren't going to be able to get back into contention. The Mets told him no, because if something went wrong it could force him to miss all of 2010.

So he rehabbed, felt good...then suddenly the injury comes back a month before ST starts and he gets the surgery anyway. He won't resume baseball activities for 8-12 weeks (since it's Beltran, probably the latter) and you'd have to assume it'll take another month to run, get the timing back, etc. So we're looking at a late May/early June return at the least. And even when he returns, one slip-up could spell the end of his Mets career.

I think the probability of Carlos Delgado coming back just increased tenfold. Also wouldn't mind checking out a guy like Reed Johnson.

Trade Beltran to the Cubs, we'll wait for him.
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From what was being said in the complaints, the Marlins owner figured out what was the bare minimum (roughly 16-30 million per year) to pay in salary to get the maximum amount of revenue sharing possible from other teams. Then pocketed the majority of the money and only gave a token boost in team salary so to not look like a cheap-ass.

It just ended up being a "fluke" they managed to have decent seasons 2 out of the last 4 years when other teams in tougher divisions or in similar money range were absolute horrible (ex. Pirates, Rays until 2 years ago)
To be fair, the only reason I've heard for the Pirates not getting a "talking to" was that they spent a bunch of money on some developmental facility in the Dominican or somewhere down there.
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Pirates spent like $64 million more than the Marlins in the last 5 years or something.
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Adam LaRoche to the D-Backs. 1-year, $4.5 mil with an option.

Bit of a head scratcher since he turned down 2-years, $17.5 mil. from the Giants.

After getting yelled at by the union and MLB front office, the Marlins throw Josh Johnson an extension. 4-years, $39 mil.
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Adam LaRoche to the D-Backs. 1-year, $4.5 mil with an option.

Bit of a head scratcher since he turned down 2-years, $17.5 mil. from the Giants.
He was an idiot. He turned down that money, the Giants went and signed Aubrey Huff instead, and his market evaporated.

Contract details: KTAR is reporting LaRoche’s deal to be worth $4 million with an $8 million mutual option for 2011 or a $2 million buyout. So it’s either one year and $6 million or two years and $12 million.

DBacks considering releasing Eric "PigPen" Byrnes to vlear a roster spot.
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To be fair, the only reason I've heard for the Pirates not getting a "talking to" was that they spent a bunch of money on some developmental facility in the Dominican or somewhere down there.
Yeah Pirates do spend more than the Marlins. I was trying to think of another team similar in bad quality but low spending once I remembered how Rays basically jumped from the $15 to $30+ to the $50-$60 million they were this year.

Pirates issue is they spend money but then have no long term development plans which is why they seem to have a roster overhaul every trade-deadline.
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The Pirates are just stupid, not greedy. The Marlins manage to stay competitive because their baseball operations people are some of the best in the game and do apparently spend a good amount of money on player development (but the player's union only cares about MLB payroll -- Florida could spend a billion every year in player development and scouting and the union would still complain).

The Pirates spend a good amount more on MLB players every year (I hesitate to say "MLB talent" considering some of their lineups the past few years), but they're horribly cheap when it comes to signing foreign free agents and draft picks. They've only recently started getting better at this, drafting and signing Pedro Alvarez a couple years ago despite him being a Boras guy.

The Marlins have gotten a lot of bang for their buck, but something did need to be done. With their new stadium on the way, they can't really plead poverty anymore, especially since they don't even really play in a small market. Milwaukee has something like 2.2 million less people in their market area and spent about $45 million more last year.
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