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Old 04-06-2020, 01:58 AM   #1041
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What's real and what's not? Like, what's supposed to be real? This is weirder than some of that Vince Russo bullshit.
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Old 04-06-2020, 02:05 AM   #1042
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I think I've settled on just accepting it as promo material for something that's never going to happen and never was, and a "heel turn" for Cena and fuck you to the fans before he goes to Hollywood forever.
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I get the story they were telling with the fun house. Interested to see if they actually have Cena change from it or if he comes out tomorrow on Raw smiling and going aww shucks like he did after WM28. Interesting thing with Styles/Taker and Cena/Wyatt is what would they have done if they actually had a match in front of a stadium full of 70,000+ fans. Taker/AJ could have pretty much accomplished the same thing in a buried alive match with interference from druids/Good Bros and some shenanigans/high spots on the stage. I have no idea how they’d tell the same story with Bray/Cena...unless they did those weird ring overlay graphics with audio like they did vs Orton a few years ago.
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What's real and what's not? Like, what's supposed to be real?
AEW is probably handling that question better right now.
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Old 04-06-2020, 02:10 AM   #1045
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Problem with AEW is that I’ve been conditioned to not pay $50 for PPV. I honestly don’t know if there is a card good enough to have me drop $50 anymore. Just not as hardcore of a fan as I used to be.
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Old 04-06-2020, 02:17 AM   #1047
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I get the story they were telling with the fun house. Interested to see if they actually have Cena change from it or if he comes out tomorrow on Raw smiling and going aww shucks like he did after WM28. Interesting thing with Styles/Taker and Cena/Wyatt is what would they have done if they actually had a match in front of a stadium full of 70,000+ fans. Taker/AJ could have pretty much accomplished the same thing in a buried alive match with interference from druids/Good Bros and some shenanigans/high spots on the stage. I have no idea how they’d tell the same story with Bray/Cena...unless they did those weird ring overlay graphics with audio like they did vs Orton a few years ago.
Lol you think Cena is going to hang around
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Old 04-06-2020, 02:18 AM   #1048
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I wonder who has had the most ring time at WrestleMania? Might be a trickier question than first thought. The mind immediately goes to Shawn Michaels or The Undertaker, but I'm curious as to the actual answer.
Pro Fight Database has Triple H at the top spot with around 475 minutes.

Taker is #2 at around 459 minutes.

http://www.profightdb.com/wrestlers-...atch-time.html

Makes sense since while Taker has the most matches at 27, Triple H had a ridiculous long stretch of time where he either had the longest match or was in the Top 2/3 for longest match at a Mania.
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McIntyre said he'd like to have his old theme for the mania match, good to see wwe listened.
Someone did

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Old 04-06-2020, 02:24 AM   #1050
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Pro Fight Database has Triple H at the top spot with around 475 minutes.

Taker is #2 at around 459 minutes.

http://www.profightdb.com/wrestlers-...atch-time.html

Makes sense since while Taker has the most matches at 27, Triple H had a ridiculous long stretch of time where he either had the longest match or was in the Top 2/3 for longest match at a Mania.
3 of Hs matches against Taker, imagine how much more itd be if Taker didnt get credit for the same match
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Old 04-06-2020, 02:26 AM   #1051
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AEW is probably handling that question better right now.
Not really. They've got Matt Hardy teleporting and The Young Bucks talking about how it's all bullshit. I mean, you've got MLW and ROH, but they're not really major enough. There is no major North American wrestling promotion in the world. It's weird.

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Lol you think Cena is going to hang around
Yeah, I've settled on this as being confirmation that John Cena is an actor now. They advertised it as a "match," which is the weirdest and most "fuck you" thing about it, but I'm just accepting it as a segment. Bray Wyatt does his Firefly Fun House skits and Cena agreed to be in one and the theme of it was John Cena's career and they acted out some angst he has about it. Like an Adult Swim bit. It was John Cena & Bray Wyatt, which doesn't really make sense, but not John Cena vs. Bray Wyatt, because that can't make sense.

This was like Cena appearing in a Piper's Pit where instead of smashing a coconut over Cena's head to set up a match, Piper and Cena just spent some time talking about how shit the fans were and how cruel the wrestling business can be, except it had puppets, costume changes, videos and metaphors. That clicks it into place for me. If this is how they plan to settle actual grudges now...good lord.

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Pro Fight Database has Triple H at the top spot with around 475 minutes.

Taker is #2 at around 459 minutes.

http://www.profightdb.com/wrestlers-...atch-time.html

Makes sense since while Taker has the most matches at 27, Triple H had a ridiculous long stretch of time where he either had the longest match or was in the Top 2/3 for longest match at a Mania.
420 of those minutes were probably with Batista last year.
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Old 04-06-2020, 02:27 AM   #1052
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I think Edge/Orton would have been better in front of the crowd. Last Man Standing matches are always plodding because of all the near-counts.
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Old 04-06-2020, 02:28 AM   #1053
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No way that is Cena’s WWE farewell.
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Old 04-06-2020, 02:30 AM   #1054
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If they had advertised it as Cena appearing on the Firefly Fun House, I would have gotten into it more. I can appreciate the storytelling there -- the history and the analogues. I just wish they hadn't set it up as an actual feud. That invites you to think about it as actual conflict, which is just bullshit.
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Thought they'd confirmed that Vanguard 1 was just making projections of Hardy, and that he wasn't teleporting? Still dumb, but whatever
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Old 04-06-2020, 02:34 AM   #1056
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No way that is Cena’s WWE farewell.
He'll do appearances at special shows ("Welcome to the season premier of SmackDown!"), cut promos, go into the Hall of Fame and all that, but he is done as a wrestler. It's too risky for his Hollywood career to take bumps and risk delaying production schedules. If he does anything "physical" it is going to be with crash pads and special effects.

And there's nowhere to go with this. It was a cooperative segment where he acted out his "dark fantasies" in an esoteric promo. He could come out on Raw and be a heel, but are he and Bray going to be a tag team? Why did he use Bray for this stuff? This was just a theatrical segment on the show so they could use John Cena's star power and just hope the power of their "Entertainment" overshadows the feeling fans have that they got screwed.
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Thought they'd confirmed that Vanguard 1 was just making projections of Hardy, and that he wasn't teleporting? Still dumb, but whatever
They backtrack all the time.
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Cena probably chose Bray because he is genuinely impressed with his promos, work ethic, attention to detail, etc. Figured they could do some smoke and mirrors stuff and he could give him the "rub" he didn't get six years ago. It's a way for him to do a match without actually doing a single physical thing, and a way to say "goodbye" and feed Bray's gimmick of changing people.
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Not really. They've got Matt Hardy teleporting and The Young Bucks talking about how it's all bullshit. I mean, you've got MLW and ROH, but they're not really major enough. There is no major North American wrestling promotion in the world. It's weird.



Yeah, I've settled on this as being confirmation that John Cena is an actor now. They advertised it as a "match," which is the weirdest and most "fuck you" thing about it, but I'm just accepting it as a segment. Bray Wyatt does his Firefly Fun House skits and Cena agreed to be in one and the theme of it was John Cena's career and they acted out some angst he has about it. Like an Adult Swim bit. It was John Cena & Bray Wyatt, which doesn't really make sense, but not John Cena vs. Bray Wyatt, because that can't make sense.

This was like Cena appearing in a Piper's Pit where instead of smashing a coconut over Cena's head to set up a match, Piper and Cena just spent some time talking about how shit the fans were and how cruel the wrestling business can be, except it had puppets, costume changes, videos and metaphors. That clicks it into place for me. If this is how they plan to settle actual grudges now...good lord.



420 of those minutes were probably with Batista last year.
If you’re willing to suspend your disbelief and come up with your own story to make shit make sense to the point where you’ve decided “Cena was just acting with Bray therefore it wasn’t THAT unrealistic” then... fuck it.

Jericho was cool with the camera edits that made it look like Matt Hardy teleported. He wanted Matt to LOOK supernatural so that he would look better when he beats him. All totally logical. And it just includes a guy being cool with some quick edits and not agreeing to spend days filming a match that he ends up losing to his bitter rival.

AEW wins the logic war.
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I think we all agree Brays losing streak still stands since that was clearly unsanctioned just like Taker/AJ
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Cena probably chose Bray because he is genuinely impressed with his promos, work ethic, attention to detail, etc. Figured they could do some smoke and mirrors stuff and he could give him the "rub" he didn't get six years ago. It's a way for him to do a match without actually doing a single physical thing, and a way to say "goodbye" and feed Bray's gimmick of changing people.
Goddammit, Noid.

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Honestly excited to listen to the podcasts this week talk about Mania and the 2 “cinematic matches”. Especially Cornette like Noid mentioned.
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They backtrack all the time.
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Old 04-06-2020, 02:49 AM   #1064
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Name something else besides Brandi/Nightmare Collective.
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Funny that Braun has been a POS on Twitter and finally got the belt.
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I never understood the critique of AEW backtracking

They're willing to acknowledge when something isn't good, and look to rectify. What's the problem?
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I'm gonna guess Charlotte as NXT champ isn't going to bring them any better Wednesday night ratings.
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I never understood the critique of AEW backtracking

They're willing to acknowledge when something isn't good, and look to rectify. What's the problem?
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Honestly excited to listen to the podcasts this week talk about Mania and the 2 “cinematic matches”. Especially Cornette like Noid mentioned.
He's gonna throw in the towel, I reckon. He'll go into a rant about how it's not wrestling. But I can't see him even being offended anymore. It's just so far gone that it won't even hurt his feelings, haha.

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If you’re willing to suspend your disbelief and come up with your own story to make shit make sense to the point where you’ve decided “Cena was just acting with Bray therefore it wasn’t THAT unrealistic” then... fuck it.

Jericho was cool with the camera edits that made it look like Matt Hardy teleported. He wanted Matt to LOOK supernatural so that he would look better when he beats him. All totally logical. And it just includes a guy being cool with some quick edits and not agreeing to spend days filming a match that he ends up losing to his bitter rival.

AEW wins the logic war.
You know what? You're right. I shouldn't have to do that. Maybe I should be more angry at it? I dunno, I just can't make sense of it otherwise. I can't honestly believe they expect me to believe that they I thought Cena was stuck in some sort of imaginary world controlled by Bray, can I?
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Honestly excited to listen to the podcasts this week talk about Mania and the 2 “cinematic matches”. Especially Cornette like Noid mentioned.
I feel like Cornette is not gonna have much to say about Taker. He’s said before that Taker is the one guy who can make a character like that work and when compared to some of the other shit Taker has done, with Cornette involved even, a literal burial even if it’s filmed like a low-budget horror flick is nothing.

The Cena-Wyatt match on the other hand... yeah... That’s gonna be a fucking epic rant.
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I'm gonna guess Charlotte as NXT champ isn't going to bring them any better Wednesday night ratings.
I'm gonna guess that isn't the intention.

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I never understood the critique of AEW backtracking

They're willing to acknowledge when something isn't good, and look to rectify. What's the problem?
Because they keep doing the bad shit they need to backtrack from in the first place. Everyone could have told them that Matt teleporting was an awful idea. They still did it. Fuck them. And it's like every other week. They are STILL trying with The Dark Order.
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I feel like Cornette is not gonna have much to say about Taker. He’s said before that Taker is the one guy who can make a character like that work and when compared to some of the other shit Taker has done, with Cornette involved even, a literal burial even if it’s filmed like a low-budget horror flick is nothing.

The Cena-Wyatt match on the other hand... yeah... That’s gonna be a fucking epic rant.


I dunno though, he loves him some Cena too, and I can honestly see him disassociating it so far with wrestling that he's not even going to have any anger towards it. That's kind of how I felt watching it, anyway. Well, when Cena was doing the Ruthless Aggression spot I was like "Nooooo...." but then I was like "Well, I guess it's just a fucking promo spot thing." Maybe he'll be heartbroken? Will be interesting.
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I think he’s more willing to shit on a Cena story than a Taker one though. He’s also expressed loving Bray Wyatt. He reviewed a Firefly Funhouse segment a few weeks ago and said it was ridiculous but Bray is so good that he may just be one of those guys who can make the ridiculous work. This match though...
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Because they keep doing the bad shit they need to backtrack from in the first place. Everyone could have told them that Matt teleporting was an awful idea. They still did it. Fuck them. And it's like every other week. They are STILL trying with The Dark Order.
From what I've seen online, most people didn't like the Dark Order at first (myself included). However, once they started with the cult recruitment vignettes, a lot of people (myself included) started warming up to it.

Wrestling fans are so finicky, nobody can truly know what's going to be popular until its released. Who would've thought the Mandy Rose and Otis storyline would've been as popular as it has been? Knowing when to push through and tweak things (Dark Order) and knowing when to outright abandon things (Evil Collective or whatever the fuck) is a pretty critical skill, and right now, AEW has it figured out.

Matt teleporting (being projected) sucks, yes. But they're trying to have fun with an empty arena. WWE did teleporting on Friday (to better effect) but it still happened. I don't mind everyone thinking outside the box to entertain us right now. That's why we got the extremely fun Taker/Styles match
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I'm not entirely sure that this isn't exactly what Vince McMahon eventually imagined the WWE becoming and they move into this style of thing more and more. I don't know, I've just got a weird feeling that Vince is having a ball and he believes this is his ticket to Emmys and becoming pure entertainment. Maybe that's an irrational fear?

Haven't seen the Firefly Funhouse Match yet. It sounds...insane. My big thing is that you can buy it is two guys having a legitimate fight. I don't mind them doing sets and shit for some of them, because it's the WWE and they've got that money and there's a fucking virus keeping them out of arenas and shit. But was it believable that there was a dude named Bray Wyatt having a fight with John Cena outside all the gimmicky shit?
Are you sure you're not being paid to be Vince's pathetic whore who is paid based on how many times you can suck him off?
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From what I've seen online, most people didn't like the Dark Order at first (myself included). However, once they started with the cult recruitment vignettes, a lot of people (myself included) started warming up to it.

Wrestling fans are so finicky, nobody can truly know what's going to be popular until its released. Who would've thought the Mandy Rose and Otis storyline would've been as popular as it has been? Knowing when to push through and tweak things (Dark Order) and knowing when to outright abandon things (Evil Collective or whatever the fuck) is a pretty critical skill, and right now, AEW has it figured out.

Matt teleporting (being projected) sucks, yes. But they're trying to have fun with an empty arena. WWE did teleporting on Friday (to better effect) but it still happened. I don't mind everyone thinking outside the box to entertain us right now. That's why we got the extremely fun Taker/Styles match
This.

If you can't acknowledge this... well you're either 1. a complete dumb motherfucker, 2. a completely out of touch, idiot, 3. a cocksucker, 4. are being paid off, or 5. some combination of 1 through 4.
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The Dark Order sucked when they started. After the vignettes started showing up, and they put a shirt on Evil Uno, things got more interesting. I agree with Cornette that Brody Lee should be on his own and Jake should've been the exaulted one. But this is what we've got. And I'm willing to give it a shot. The fact that AEW at least acknowledges its short comings and tries to course correct is something. It's certainly better than just shoving it down the audience's throat without accepting it's not working.
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I think he’s more willing to shit on a Cena story than a Taker one though. He’s also expressed loving Bray Wyatt. He reviewed a Firefly Funhouse segment a few weeks ago and said it was ridiculous but Bray is so good that he may just be one of those guys who can make the ridiculous work. This match though...
He likes Bray’s promos, but I’m not sure he’s sold on him yet. Watching it again, it definitely does feel like it’s intended to be legit. Like Cena was actually there to fight Bray. I’m trying to think whether or not that would be the stupidest thing they’ve ever done, or if it belongs right in the same realm as Hornswoggle, Papa Shango, Taker murdering Bearer, etc.

Wrestling is so fucking dead.

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From what I've seen online, most people didn't like the Dark Order at first (myself included). However, once they started with the cult recruitment vignettes, a lot of people (myself included) started warming up to it.

Wrestling fans are so finicky, nobody can truly know what's going to be popular until its released. Who would've thought the Mandy Rose and Otis storyline would've been as popular as it has been? Knowing when to push through and tweak things (Dark Order) and knowing when to outright abandon things (Evil Collective or whatever the fuck) is a pretty critical skill, and right now, AEW has it figured out.

Matt teleporting (being projected) sucks, yes. But they're trying to have fun with an empty arena. WWE did teleporting on Friday (to better effect) but it still happened. I don't mind everyone thinking outside the box to entertain us right now. That's why we got the extremely fun Taker/Styles match
This is a whole bunch of bullshit. The Dark Order sucks and they’ve made a Brodie Lee unwatchable because it’s a Tony Khan idea and he’s going to get it through, dammit.

Teleporting is stupid regardless of where it is. WWE doing something doesn’t justify someone else doing it if it’s a bad idea. People want an alternative, not WWE Lite. There’s no way anyone could think that was a reasonable idea. You call it “out of the box.” That’s the kindest fucking cop-out I’ve ever heard.

Otis and Mandy is a fucking cutesy love story between a big nervous guy and a hot blonde. That’s not really an alien fucking concept. Or an actual alien. Or Orange Cassidy. Or Joey Janela. And at least it’s a story told start-to-finish. Whatever did happen to Tully Blanchard that time he got tied to a chair? Michael Nakazawa and his beatings. Did Christopher Daniels ever get revenge on Pentagon? They are guilty of the exact same stop-start, 50/50, wtf bullshit as WWE. You can be biased and like but not the other, but don’t tell me they are different. It’s all intelligence insulting bullshit.

I wanted AEW to be good so bad. They fucked it up for me. Go enjoy it with 600k hardcore fans if you really want to, but it’s not good. We have a saying over here: Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.
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