MLB 2006-2007 Offseason Thread - Page 27

**Hardkore Kidd J** · 02-12-2007, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

The Twins are scheduled to move into a new stadium in 2010. That would increase revenue, which would also increase payroll.

Morneau is on a one year contract through arbitration, and he cannot be a free agent until 2009.

Santana is probably not going to get the same contract that Zito did. They are going to work on locking him up during the next season on a fair but modest deal. He easily could leave, but at this point Terry Ryan is confident that he will have him. Twins were able to keep Kirby Puckett the same way.

One year for someone like Morneau? I would have thought that he'd get at least 3 years.

**BCWWF** · 02-12-2007, 04:04 PM

He cannot leave until 2009, so he can either take what the Twins give him or file for arbitration. In arbitration he got 1 year 4.5 million. Same case next year.

**SammyG** · 02-12-2007, 04:23 PM

Benson out for the year. Tough blow for the Orioles.

**Splaya** · 02-13-2007, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

The Twins are scheduled to move into a new stadium in 2010. That would increase revenue, which would also increase payroll.

Morneau is on a one year contract through arbitration, and he cannot be a free agent until 2009.

Santana is probably not going to get the same contract that Zito did. They are going to work on locking him up during the next season on a fair but modest deal. He easily could leave, but at this point Terry Ryan is confident that he will have him. Twins were able to keep Kirby Puckett the same way.

I am in no way whatsoever comparing Johan to Ben Wallace, but we in Detroit were confident that we would keep him as well. When the price is right, anyone can leave.

**BCWWF** · 02-13-2007, 07:45 AM

The main difference with that is that Ben Wallace was very unhappy with Flip Saunders.

**Dragon** · 02-13-2007, 04:23 PM

Ron Villone re-ups with the Yanks on a minor-league deal.

Kind of suprising noone picked him up, probably because he was asking for a multi-year deal. He was awful towards the end of the season but was instoppable that first half, Torre pretty much drove him into the ground the first half. Hopefully he can rebound nicely.

The Yankees have a lot of options pitching wise (bullpen and rotation). Gonna be interesting to see what happens. Their AAA rotation is pretty stacked so when someone inevitably gets injured they have plenty of options.

**FakeLaser** · 02-13-2007, 04:49 PM

That's pretty shocking that Villone had to sign a minor league deal. The only reason he sucked was becaus Torre overused him like he does with everyone.

For once I feel really good about our pitching.

**Dragon** · 02-13-2007, 05:06 PM

I dunno, our rotation still has questions I think. The big difference is that we have options to step in this year from the minors. Can't wait for the season to start though, this part of the year is definitely the worst. No sports to follow between football and baseball.

**FakeLaser** · 02-13-2007, 05:17 PM

Oh, yeah, the rotation has question marks, but I am feeling pretty good about it, mainly for the reason you said, we're stacked in the minors. Also, the bullpen looks to be the deepest it's been since the Nelson/Stanton/Lloyd days so that takes a huge load off the starters.

Wang is the only guy without any real question marks. He should be even better this year with Mientkiewicz at first, Cano constantly improving and HOPEFULLY A-Rod improving as well.

Mussina will be good if he can stay healthy. We need around 200 innings from him. I think he will do it. He needs these last few years if he wants to make a Hall of Fame bid. He wants a World Series.

Pettitte should give us 200 quality innings. Obviously there's no guarantee here though. I'm optimistic looking at his 2nd half stats last year, also, he has come back strong from injury so I think that's behind him, and we know he can pitch well in New York.

I have faith that Igawa will be a dependable 4th or 5th. If anything he's young and can eat innings.

Pavano... I don't know why, but I have a gut feeling that he'll be alright this year. Maybe it's just wishful thinking. If I were him I would be working my ass off to prove that I'm not a worthless piece of shit this year.

**BCWWF** · 02-13-2007, 05:25 PM

Don't forget Clemons...You can pretty much pencil him in right now.,

**FakeLaser** · 02-13-2007, 05:28 PM

I'm not too sure about that.

**BCWWF** · 02-13-2007, 05:44 PM

Clemons know he still has the stuff, and he would have just about every reason to play for the Yankees: Good friends with Pettite, he has already been a Yankee, they are going to contend for the World Series, probably preseason favorites.

Houston, at this point, only offers the staying-at-home advantage.

**Dragon** · 02-13-2007, 06:05 PM

Pavano is supposedly in the best shape of his career, went early to camp, etc...so hopefully he just stays healthy. It would be huge for us if he just doesn't get injured again.

As for Clemens, I think the Yankees are the logical choice for him. But that might just be a Yankees fan bias. Houston might not even contend and while he could go to Boston and "end it where it all started" or whatever I don't know if he would; well hopefully not.

**BCWWF** · 02-13-2007, 06:24 PM

From a non-Yankees fan standpoint, it makes a lot of sense for him to return, and if he does the only team that makes sense is the Yankees.

**Splaya** · 02-13-2007, 06:41 PM

AL is gonna be stacked this year

**VonErichLives** · 02-13-2007, 07:41 PM

Dice-K is gonna be fun. There is sooooo much press following him the Red Sox have to do press release for spring training to announce every time he wipes his butt (ok, not that extreme).

But, they released a press statement today with whattime he would be at the park, he'd be available for press photos on his walk, no interviews and he may or may not work out.

The Sox are going out of their way to acomodate the forign press.

**Hardkore Kidd J** · 02-13-2007, 08:53 PM

In one way I'm happy that Clemens is going to be on the team in another way I feel we should keep the spot open for Phillip Hughes . The guy's only 21 years old. And the Yankees want him to do a little limited pitching in the MLB this year. But on the other hand we could always bring him in when Pavano gets injured. Most of the reason I want Clemens basically is so the Red Sox can't.

With the additon of Doug Meintkewitz and Igawa who's supposed to be good and Pettite and the potential of getting Clemens . I am really looking forward to the baseball season.

**DaveWadding** · 02-13-2007, 11:42 PM

Zambo has threatened the Cubs by saying sign me now or I'll walk. Cubs will resign, and they'll end up saving like $50 mil (and Zambo will be out of that) by not waiting a couple years.

**BCWWF** · 02-14-2007, 01:07 PM

Personally, I don't know much about Phillip Hughes, but a 21-year old pitcher is kind of early to bring into a rotation. He might be better served starting in the minors and then taking the long-reliever role until somebody gets injured or he start dominating. That is how Johan and Liriano came up at least, so I am biased towards that method.

**VonErichLives** · 02-14-2007, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardkore Kidd J

In one way I'm happy that Clemens is going to be on the team

Did I miss something, when did he make a decision?

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 02-14-2007, 03:07 PM

**Hardkore Kidd J** · 02-14-2007, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VonErichLives

Did I miss something, when did he make a decision?

That was just a mistype I meant to write "In one way I'm happy that Clemens is a possibility on the team"

**Hardkore Kidd J** · 02-14-2007, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

Personally, I don't know much about Phillip Hughes, but a 21-year old pitcher is kind of early to bring into a rotation. He might be better served starting in the minors and then taking the long-reliever role until somebody gets injured or he start dominating. That is how Johan and Liriano came up at least, so I am biased towards that method.

He is in the minor leagues right now he's at Double A or Triple A.He's been a minor leaguer probably for a year or 2. And a lot of Yankee fans think extremely high about this guy because he is so dominant in the minors.

**FakeLaser** · 02-14-2007, 05:08 PM

Hughes is the best pitching prospect in baseball. He should spend another year in the minors. I'd rather they brought Sanchez up and let Hughes build up to 200 innings in the minors.

**Dragon** · 02-14-2007, 05:19 PM

Yeah, it would be for the best if he stayed the whole year in AAA. Last year he reached his career high in innings pitched and was on quite a short leash with how much they let him pitch. Staying in AAA for the year and just adding some innings under his belt before the jump to the majors seems like the best scenario. He still isn't even 21 so there really shouldn't be any rush.

**BCWWF** · 02-14-2007, 06:40 PM

If he is still in Double A, I would be real surprised if they brought him into the starting rotation at the beginning of the season. It is such a big transition. Last year Matt Garza was dominant through A, AA and AAA, so they brought him up to the Majors and he got rocked. Bringing somebody up to start the season is a big risk, in my opinion, especially somebody that young.

**Dragon** · 02-14-2007, 06:50 PM

There's not any chance of him starting the season in the rotation I've heard. I think Cashman said even if he dominates in spring training he probably won't start the season with the club, which is good. But pretty much every article about him has said he'll be here by the All-Star break.

**Hardkore Kidd J** · 02-14-2007, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

If he is still in Double A, I would be real surprised if they brought him into the starting rotation at the beginning of the season. It is such a big transition. Last year Matt Garza was dominant through A, AA and AAA, so they brought him up to the Majors and he got rocked. Bringing somebody up to start the season is a big risk, in my opinion, especially somebody that young.

They were never thinking of bringing him in full time. As far as I know if he had come to pitch he would only be able to pitch a certain amount of innings. And the earliest he'd start in MLB is probably June or July at least. I don't want him on the starting rotation either just yet If he's as good as he is in the minors by 08 or 09 he'll be ready to be a starter. This what he's doing this year is kinda more like a test on how he'd end up when he's a starter. He's the type of person you bring in if Pavano or Igawa get injured.

**BCWWF** · 02-14-2007, 07:08 PM

Agreed.

**FakeLaser** · 02-14-2007, 10:07 PM

The way things have gone for Yankees pitching these past few years, both Philip Hughes and Humberto Sanchez will be pitching for the club by July.

**Loose Cannon** · 02-14-2007, 10:29 PM

yea seriously. And Torre will run them into the ground.

**VonErichLives** · 02-16-2007, 10:07 AM

Keith Foulke retired.

He opted out of his sox contract that would have paid him I think like 7mil.

Signed with the indians for less.

Said he had elbow pain recently, so he's done.

What a shame, the guy was as much responsible for the sox winning the WS in 2004 as Ortiz, and he was never a power pitcher.

The problem was, his heart was never in it, he had said many times he wish he was as talanted with a stick as he was a ball so he could have been in the nhl, he likes hockey a lot...

He got blasted here, said some stupid things, couldn't handle the pressure of the Boston Media...

Anyway, Good luck and thank you for what you did!

**YOUR Hero** · 02-16-2007, 10:12 AM

VEL, you interested in playing fantasy baseball? -

Foulke, I remember once stated he doesn't even like baseball. LOL. Ah well.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 02-16-2007, 12:41 PM

Foulke doesn't care what Billy from Burger King thinks about him, yet he flips out about it on the field

He did have a ridiculously good year and post season when the Red Sox won it all

**FakeLaser** · 02-16-2007, 01:25 PM

lol, what, wasn't he supposed to close for the Indians this year?

**VonErichLives** · 02-16-2007, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOUR Hero

VEL, you interested in playing fantasy baseball? -

Foulke, I remember once stated he doesn't even like baseball. LOL. Ah well.

Don't really have time, but then again... I didn't have time last time and I was like 2nd or 3rd?

so yeah, shoot me a link.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FakeRazor

lol, what, wasn't he supposed to close for the Indians this year?

Not sure, but the Indians did give up a draft pick since the red sox had tendered him an offer and they don't get the pick back.

**SammyG** · 02-16-2007, 06:38 PM

Dodgers lookin to make a big move, offering Penny.

**FakeLaser** · 02-16-2007, 07:36 PM

MESA, Ariz. -- Oft-injured Kerry Wood is out again -- this time because of a flub in a hot tub.

The Chicago Cubs pitcher is not expected to throw off the mound for a few days after he slipped this week getting out of a hot tub at home. Wood landed on his stomach and chest.

LOL

**BCWWF** · 02-16-2007, 07:41 PM

Lol saw that too

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 02-16-2007, 07:57 PM

Well I guess Foulke could have collected the money by showing up to spring training but then retire, so you gotta give him some credit there

02-12-2007, 04:04 PM	#1042
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	He cannot leave until 2009, so he can either take what the Twins give him or file for arbitration. In arbitration he got 1 year 4.5 million. Same case next year.

02-12-2007, 04:23 PM	#1043
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,764	Benson out for the year. Tough blow for the Orioles.

02-13-2007, 07:45 AM	#1045
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	The main difference with that is that Ben Wallace was very unhappy with Flip Saunders.

02-13-2007, 04:23 PM	#1046
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	Ron Villone re-ups with the Yanks on a minor-league deal. Kind of suprising noone picked him up, probably because he was asking for a multi-year deal. He was awful towards the end of the season but was instoppable that first half, Torre pretty much drove him into the ground the first half. Hopefully he can rebound nicely. The Yankees have a lot of options pitching wise (bullpen and rotation). Gonna be interesting to see what happens. Their AAA rotation is pretty stacked so when someone inevitably gets injured they have plenty of options.

02-13-2007, 04:49 PM	#1047
FakeLaser continental drift Posts: 46,731	That's pretty shocking that Villone had to sign a minor league deal. The only reason he sucked was becaus Torre overused him like he does with everyone. For once I feel really good about our pitching.

02-13-2007, 05:06 PM	#1048
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	I dunno, our rotation still has questions I think. The big difference is that we have options to step in this year from the minors. Can't wait for the season to start though, this part of the year is definitely the worst. No sports to follow between football and baseball.

02-13-2007, 05:17 PM	#1049
FakeLaser continental drift Posts: 46,731	Oh, yeah, the rotation has question marks, but I am feeling pretty good about it, mainly for the reason you said, we're stacked in the minors. Also, the bullpen looks to be the deepest it's been since the Nelson/Stanton/Lloyd days so that takes a huge load off the starters. Wang is the only guy without any real question marks. He should be even better this year with Mientkiewicz at first, Cano constantly improving and HOPEFULLY A-Rod improving as well. Mussina will be good if he can stay healthy. We need around 200 innings from him. I think he will do it. He needs these last few years if he wants to make a Hall of Fame bid. He wants a World Series. Pettitte should give us 200 quality innings. Obviously there's no guarantee here though. I'm optimistic looking at his 2nd half stats last year, also, he has come back strong from injury so I think that's behind him, and we know he can pitch well in New York. I have faith that Igawa will be a dependable 4th or 5th. If anything he's young and can eat innings. Pavano... I don't know why, but I have a gut feeling that he'll be alright this year. Maybe it's just wishful thinking. If I were him I would be working my ass off to prove that I'm not a worthless piece of shit this year.

02-13-2007, 05:25 PM	#1050
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Don't forget Clemons...You can pretty much pencil him in right now.,

02-13-2007, 05:28 PM	#1051
FakeLaser continental drift Posts: 46,731	I'm not too sure about that.

02-13-2007, 05:44 PM	#1052
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Clemons know he still has the stuff, and he would have just about every reason to play for the Yankees: Good friends with Pettite, he has already been a Yankee, they are going to contend for the World Series, probably preseason favorites. Houston, at this point, only offers the staying-at-home advantage.

02-13-2007, 06:41 PM	#1055
Splaya 1-0 TPWW Chess Master Posts: 17,211	AL is gonna be stacked this year

02-13-2007, 06:05 PM	#1053
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	Pavano is supposedly in the best shape of his career, went early to camp, etc...so hopefully he just stays healthy. It would be huge for us if he just doesn't get injured again. As for Clemens, I think the Yankees are the logical choice for him. But that might just be a Yankees fan bias. Houston might not even contend and while he could go to Boston and "end it where it all started" or whatever I don't know if he would; well hopefully not.

02-13-2007, 06:24 PM	#1054
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	From a non-Yankees fan standpoint, it makes a lot of sense for him to return, and if he does the only team that makes sense is the Yankees.

02-13-2007, 07:41 PM	#1056
VonErichLives DU's illegitimate brother Posts: 3,685	Dice-K is gonna be fun. There is sooooo much press following him the Red Sox have to do press release for spring training to announce every time he wipes his butt (ok, not that extreme). But, they released a press statement today with whattime he would be at the park, he'd be available for press photos on his walk, no interviews and he may or may not work out. The Sox are going out of their way to acomodate the forign press.

02-13-2007, 08:53 PM	#1057
Hardkore Kidd J Time to Nut Up or Shut up Posts: 2,803	In one way I'm happy that Clemens is going to be on the team in another way I feel we should keep the spot open for Phillip Hughes . The guy's only 21 years old. And the Yankees want him to do a little limited pitching in the MLB this year. But on the other hand we could always bring him in when Pavano gets injured. Most of the reason I want Clemens basically is so the Red Sox can't. With the additon of Doug Meintkewitz and Igawa who's supposed to be good and Pettite and the potential of getting Clemens . I am really looking forward to the baseball season.

02-13-2007, 11:42 PM	#1058
DaveWadding LIMITLESS Posts: 32,276	Zambo has threatened the Cubs by saying sign me now or I'll walk. Cubs will resign, and they'll end up saving like $50 mil (and Zambo will be out of that) by not waiting a couple years.

02-14-2007, 01:07 PM	#1059
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Personally, I don't know much about Phillip Hughes, but a 21-year old pitcher is kind of early to bring into a rotation. He might be better served starting in the minors and then taking the long-reliever role until somebody gets injured or he start dominating. That is how Johan and Liriano came up at least, so I am biased towards that method.

02-14-2007, 03:07 PM	#1061
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765

02-14-2007, 05:08 PM	#1064
FakeLaser continental drift Posts: 46,731	Hughes is the best pitching prospect in baseball. He should spend another year in the minors. I'd rather they brought Sanchez up and let Hughes build up to 200 innings in the minors.

02-14-2007, 05:19 PM	#1065
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	Yeah, it would be for the best if he stayed the whole year in AAA. Last year he reached his career high in innings pitched and was on quite a short leash with how much they let him pitch. Staying in AAA for the year and just adding some innings under his belt before the jump to the majors seems like the best scenario. He still isn't even 21 so there really shouldn't be any rush.

02-14-2007, 06:40 PM	#1066
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	If he is still in Double A, I would be real surprised if they brought him into the starting rotation at the beginning of the season. It is such a big transition. Last year Matt Garza was dominant through A, AA and AAA, so they brought him up to the Majors and he got rocked. Bringing somebody up to start the season is a big risk, in my opinion, especially somebody that young.

02-14-2007, 06:50 PM	#1067
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	There's not any chance of him starting the season in the rotation I've heard. I think Cashman said even if he dominates in spring training he probably won't start the season with the club, which is good. But pretty much every article about him has said he'll be here by the All-Star break.

02-14-2007, 07:08 PM	#1069
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Agreed.

02-14-2007, 10:07 PM	#1070
FakeLaser continental drift Posts: 46,731	The way things have gone for Yankees pitching these past few years, both Philip Hughes and Humberto Sanchez will be pitching for the club by July.

02-14-2007, 10:29 PM	#1071
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	yea seriously. And Torre will run them into the ground.

02-16-2007, 10:07 AM	#1072
VonErichLives DU's illegitimate brother Posts: 3,685	Keith Foulke retired. He opted out of his sox contract that would have paid him I think like 7mil. Signed with the indians for less. Said he had elbow pain recently, so he's done. What a shame, the guy was as much responsible for the sox winning the WS in 2004 as Ortiz, and he was never a power pitcher. The problem was, his heart was never in it, he had said many times he wish he was as talanted with a stick as he was a ball so he could have been in the nhl, he likes hockey a lot... He got blasted here, said some stupid things, couldn't handle the pressure of the Boston Media... Anyway, Good luck and thank you for what you did!

02-16-2007, 10:12 AM	#1073
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	VEL, you interested in playing fantasy baseball? - Foulke, I remember once stated he doesn't even like baseball. LOL. Ah well.

02-16-2007, 12:41 PM	#1074
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Foulke doesn't care what Billy from Burger King thinks about him, yet he flips out about it on the field He did have a ridiculously good year and post season when the Red Sox won it all

02-16-2007, 01:25 PM	#1075
FakeLaser continental drift Posts: 46,731	lol, what, wasn't he supposed to close for the Indians this year?

02-16-2007, 06:38 PM	#1077
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,764	Dodgers lookin to make a big move, offering Penny.

02-16-2007, 07:36 PM	#1078
FakeLaser continental drift Posts: 46,731	MESA, Ariz. -- Oft-injured Kerry Wood is out again -- this time because of a flub in a hot tub. The Chicago Cubs pitcher is not expected to throw off the mound for a few days after he slipped this week getting out of a hot tub at home. Wood landed on his stomach and chest. LOL