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Old 06-04-2007, 10:55 PM   #1081
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Old 06-04-2007, 11:08 PM   #1082
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The Yankees won't be good until they get Griffey so they might as well speed up the process.
Ha, believe it or not the Seinfield episode where George hopes to become the asst. GM of the Yankees aired today where he said if he got the job he knew how the Yankees could get Griffey and Bonds.
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Old 06-04-2007, 11:11 PM   #1083
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Old 06-04-2007, 11:40 PM   #1084
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For those who are for the WHIP over ERA, does extra base hits come into play for the WHIP? I mean, pitchers could have similar WHIP but then one dude could give up 10 more homers but have less overall hits/walks..no?
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Old 06-05-2007, 12:12 AM   #1085
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Heard an interesting trade rumor

The Astros get Adam Dunn

The Reds get Brad Lidge and a couple pitching prospects
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Old 06-05-2007, 12:17 AM   #1086
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Here is some basic info on WHIP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHIP
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Old 06-05-2007, 12:21 AM   #1087
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ERA is clearly the stat in terms of pitchers. WHIP supplements a great pitcher, but if you consistantly let guys on base but then clamp down
and don't let them score, you are still an effective pitcher.
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Old 06-05-2007, 12:28 AM   #1088
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For those who are for the WHIP over ERA, does extra base hits come into play for the WHIP? I mean, pitchers could have similar WHIP but then one dude could give up 10 more homers but have less overall hits/walks..no?
There are good debates both ways. ERA however allows a pitcher (in extreme cases) to have batters hit HR after HR after HR and not effect his ERA if a case happens where there are 2 outs and then there is a fielding error. What I like about WHIP is it doesn't account for anything other than what the pitcher does vs the batters.
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Old 06-05-2007, 12:29 AM   #1089
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..I can see someone coming up with a revised WHIP standard that takes into account what type of hit a pitcher gives up. Kinda like some type of Slugging%
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Old 06-05-2007, 12:38 AM   #1090
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Yeah you can make up for your ERA but not your WHIP
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Old 06-05-2007, 02:56 PM   #1091
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Is there even a need to determine which stat is more important? The top two career ERA pitchers are also the top two career WHIP pitchers. I'd say the stats are pretty balanced.
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Old 06-05-2007, 03:43 PM   #1092
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well you know baseball and it's stats...
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Old 06-05-2007, 04:19 PM   #1093
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What I like about WHIP is it doesn't account for anything other than what the pitcher does vs the batters.
I dunno if I necessarily agree with this. A pitcher with an athletic, well-coached defense behind him is going to have a better WHIP than if he had a slow team that was constantly out of position and couldn't make the close plays that will be scored as hits more often than errors.
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Old 06-05-2007, 11:21 PM   #1094
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Hey, my Jays were down 8-1 at one point and also down 11-6 going into the bottom of the 9th. They scored 6 runs, the last on a bases loaded walk. That means they won, btw.
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Old 06-05-2007, 11:41 PM   #1095
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Its a shame that with all the talent the Jays have had in the past several years that they havent clinched a playoff birth. I know they are in the AL East with the Red Sox and Yanks, but you think they would at least get a WC berth with the talent they have had in the past several years.
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Old 06-06-2007, 01:24 AM   #1096
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Well the Jays finished in 2nd last year, and could have given the Yankees a run for their money in September, but Halladay was hurt and I forget if Burnett was on the DL too. Either way, their rotation was hurting and it was really difficult to beat Detroit and Minnesota when they were fighting for AL Central and wild card spots.
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Pitching injuries hurt them last year. This year more of the same PLUS position player injuries.
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Old 06-06-2007, 12:13 PM   #1098
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Old 06-06-2007, 02:00 PM   #1099
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Yeah injuries have nagged the Jays in recent years.
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Old 06-06-2007, 02:01 PM   #1100
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Thing is Big Unit might fall back to #3 if Clemens has more Ks than him this season when he returns.
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Old 06-06-2007, 11:46 PM   #1104
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Complete game by Wang. Did an awesome job tonight. Probably could have gotten a few extra runs if we didn't do stupid shit while on bases.

Went crazy on that bullet from Melky to home plate for that out.
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Good game all around. Starting yesterday with Clippard until Saturday with Clemens should be our rotation for a while and should be the first time in a while we actually have a complete go through a set rotation.

Cairo has been awesome at first too. Phelps was playing pretty awful at first so I think Cairo will be in there for a while as long as they keep winning.
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People are starting to claim that the Yankees are slowly coming back. Winning 4 of your last 6 is a pretty decent start, but have to keep being consisent on it.
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Tim Kurkijan said this morning on ESPN Radio that if the Mariners have a collapse sometime this season that Ichiro will prolly be with a new team next season.
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Man, Tampa's young hitters are scary good. I've said it before, if they can get some pitching they'll be the team of the future in the AL East. LOL... they should be, they've got so many #1 draft picks.

Through all their injuries, the Jays are only 2 games under .500. Not that that is the milestone they set out for this year, but it's good top see they can compete even through all the injuries.
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If you ask me, I'd say the NL is the better league right now. Way deeper pitching. All you AL fan boys can't disagree.
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Yeah the NLs pitching has been on a whole great this season. But I see a AL team winning the WS this season.
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Schilling had a no-no go into the 9th with 2 outs left, and Shannon Stewart smacked a line drive to right and broke it up. At least they won and he got a complete game shutout. About time too.
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Yeah heartbreaker for Schilling today, it reminded me several years back when Mike Mussina had a perfect game 8.2 innings through and just needed 1 k to win and Carl Everett hit a single.
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A.J. Burnett had 13 Ks today, prolly his best game since he had a no hitter with the Marlins several years back.
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Old 06-07-2007, 11:21 PM   #1117
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Devil Rays got a great pitcher today with the #1 overall pick in the draft (that guy from Vandy) I was VERY suprised to see Ben Revere who plays for a rival HS of my alma mater go first round to the Minnesota Twins.
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Old 06-08-2007, 12:10 AM   #1118
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Old 06-08-2007, 12:15 AM   #1119
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Deep to (Right/Left/Center) Field, going back is (opposing outfielder) at the track at the wall... SEEEEEEEE YA. A (solo/2 run/3 run/Granddddd Slammmm) for (Yankees hitter) and the Yankees now lead by a score of (insert new score)



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Old 06-08-2007, 12:19 AM   #1120
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Crazy, I left for a couple minutes with a one run lead and come back and we are up by 6.

A-Rod is ridiculous. His stats in the 9th are pretty insane.
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