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Old 01-24-2008, 09:19 PM   #1081
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Yeah, there are two option years so it at least buys out two years of free agency.
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I hate it say it but I really think the Red Sox gotta build a new stadium, they would bring it so much more money if they did. I mean I love the history of Fenway and everything, but if they got rid of the Boston Garden they can get rid of Fenway Park.
Didn't I hear something that the Red Sox brass are trying to stretch it out to 100 years so Fenway could get landmark status?
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I think the shear economics of the game will lead Boston to build a new staduim at some point in the near future.

I did hear they wanted to make it to 100 years before they brought up the talk of a new building. Time will tell.
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Put Kielty back in a Red Sox uniform. We could use his bat against lefties.
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Conine has retired.

Anyway, assuming the rumored Santana deal takes place as rumored with Ryan Church going in the trade...I definitely wouldn't mind signing Kenny Lofton.
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surprised Feliz is still on the market

he'd be a pretty solid utility guy wherever he goes
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I wonder if the Red Sox are gonna do something of a 6-day rotation (with the exception being Beckett, whose too good for a legit 6-day and needs to stay on his 5-day.

You'll have something like:

Beckett
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Wakefield
Beckett
Lester
Buchholz
Schilling
Dice-K

etc...

Schilling and Wakefield would probably benefit from the extra rest in their old years...Buhcholz and Lester can get fully used to a full season without a huge risk of wearing out...and Dice-K gets back to his 6-day routine. Anybody with extra rest can also be in the bullpen for emergency reasons.
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I wonder if the Red Sox are gonna do something of a 6-day rotation (with the exception being Beckett, whose too good for a legit 6-day and needs to stay on his 5-day.

You'll have something like:

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Wakefield
Beckett
Lester
Buchholz
Schilling
Dice-K

etc...

Schilling and Wakefield would probably benefit from the extra rest in their old years...Buhcholz and Lester can get fully used to a full season without a huge risk of wearing out...and Dice-K gets back to his 6-day routine. Anybody with extra rest can also be in the bullpen for emergency reasons.
Definitely a solid idea, but it would get tricky and leave your bullpen thin. What if you need to fall on the 6th starter, then you have to jumbled everyones day off. It would throw off the rotation. Just seems very complicated to me. Might as well just have one of them come out of the pen as a long reliver, and if he is rested, spot start here and there to keep the od and young fresh.
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The Twins have reportedly signed Justin Morneau and Michael Cuddyer to multi-year contracts...a press conference will be held later.

Originally...it was said that they wouldn't negotiate or announce long term deals with them until the Santana issue was settled...so either A) It's settled or B) This is their way of doing "damage control" because they know Twins fans would be pissed with the Johan deal, this may calm that as everyone was appalled over Morneau's contract yet now he's locked up long-term.
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The Twins have reportedly signed Justin Morneau and Michael Cuddyer to multi-year contracts...a press conference will be held later.

Originally...it was said that they wouldn't negotiate or announce long term deals with them until the Santana issue was settled...so either A) It's settled or B) This is their way of doing "damage control" because they know Twins fans would be pissed with the Johan deal, this may calm that as everyone was appalled over Morneau's contract yet now he's locked up long-term.
They are opening a new park? Will they finally spend some money then?
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Old 01-25-2008, 05:59 PM   #1092
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I wonder if the Red Sox are gonna do something of a 6-day rotation (with the exception being Beckett, whose too good for a legit 6-day and needs to stay on his 5-day.

You'll have something like:

Beckett
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Dice-K
Wakefield
Lester
Beckett
Buchholz
Schilling
Dice-K
Wakefield
Beckett
Lester
Buchholz
Schilling
Dice-K

etc...

Schilling and Wakefield would probably benefit from the extra rest in their old years...Buhcholz and Lester can get fully used to a full season without a huge risk of wearing out...and Dice-K gets back to his 6-day routine. Anybody with extra rest can also be in the bullpen for emergency reasons.
i can see this happening but i would be interested to see how dice adapts this season because if he is better they may want him to pitch more often since in japan there was no sign of him ever having any fatigue
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The Twins have reportedly signed Justin Morneau and Michael Cuddyer to multi-year contracts...a press conference will be held later.

Originally...it was said that they wouldn't negotiate or announce long term deals with them until the Santana issue was settled...so either A) It's settled or B) This is their way of doing "damage control" because they know Twins fans would be pissed with the Johan deal, this may calm that as everyone was appalled over Morneau's contract yet now he's locked up long-term.
I think this is a great move on the Twins part. All they need to do is lock up Santana and Liriano and they will be one of the dominant teams again in the central.
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They are opening a new park? Will they finally spend some money then?
Yeah its gonna be pretty sweet too, except its an open roof stadium. I dunno doesn't make much sense in Minnesota but I guess they can pull it off with the scheduling of early season games or something.
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Word going around is that if the Mets can't land Santana, they're gonna go after Kyle Lohse and not Livan Hernandez as their top free agent target.
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If that's true then the Mets should just put a scarecrow on the mound, it would be just a productive as Hernandez and Lohse on the mound, and more intimidating.
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Old 01-26-2008, 03:13 PM   #1097
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I'd rather have Livan tbh...he eats innings without much risk of getting hurt, about all you can ask for out of the #5 starter.

But if we don't get Santana after all of this I'm gonna be beyond pissed...especially with the rumors flying every day. I really pray the Twins realize they have little chance at competing with the Indians and Tigers and just decide to trade him.

Aaron Heilman, Ryan Church, Fernando Martinez, Kevin Mulvey, and a 3rd/4th place finish > 2 draft picks and a 3rd/4th place finish

Kinda scary though...the Twins Owner is one of the richest in the league, but has kept a strict budget. One would think that he'd be done after signing Morneau to the richest deal in team history plus getting Cuddyer...but he could conceivably break the bank at any moment and lock up Johan, making this offseason the biggest wild goose chase in history.
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I think as long as Livan stays in the National League he will be a good pitcher. He will give you 200+ innings a year and now a days that is a tone. He also barely gets hurt. He can also hit which is always a plus.
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Being a Mets fan, I would be more prone to having Livan than Lohse. No way would I wanna see 4 years and 40 mil thrown at Lohse, he is no way worth that type of money. Livan is what he is an thats an innings eater. It would help our questioned bullpen every time he toes the rubber. Of course he is far from an ace but I believe he would help more than hurt. Also I am still holding out for a deal for Santana, but I don't think we should give up the entire farm for him.
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Livan would be good for the mets because he would sure up the #5 spot and give them room in dealing their younger talent for a front line starter.
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Yeah, even at just 1-year deals I'd rather have Livan than Lohse because Livan will save your bullpen most nights. Livan's deal will probably be one year with maybe an option of some sort...I think the players who haven't signed with teams yet are at the point where they have to stick with 1-year deals and hope for a better one next year.

A rotation of Pedro, Maine, Perez, Duque, and Livan isn't awful...though it is a little worrisome. A rotation of Santana, Pedro, Maine, Perez, and Livan with Duque going to the bullpen on the other hand, would rule.
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If money ball = taking advantages of overlooked strategies why not start signing some of the aging stars to one year, incentive loaded contracts?

That's new age money ball if you ask me.
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you guys also need to factor in that Kyle Lohse is terrible
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Lohse is the most overrated free agent pitcher since Carl Pavano. I do not see why he is getting so much attention. He is nothing special.
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Yeah, even at just 1-year deals I'd rather have Livan than Lohse because Livan will save your bullpen most nights. Livan's deal will probably be one year with maybe an option of some sort...I think the players who haven't signed with teams yet are at the point where they have to stick with 1-year deals and hope for a better one next year.

A rotation of Pedro, Maine, Perez, Duque, and Livan isn't awful...though it is a little worrisome. A rotation of Santana, Pedro, Maine, Perez, and Livan with Duque going to the bullpen on the other hand, would rule.
my thoughts exactly
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Lohse is the most overrated free agent pitcher since Carl Pavano. I do not see why he is getting so much attention. He is nothing special.
Where's the attention he's getting? He remains unsigned.
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Some late news and rumors.

A rumor going around says Erik Bedard might be going to Seattle next week. Adam Jones, George Sherrill and Chris Tillman and one other might be coming over in exchange. However, there are still rumblings of a Bedard/Roberts trade to the Cubs in the air.

A source out of Minnesota reports that Johan Santana might be traded within 10 days. Yanks, Red Sox, and Mets are still in the mix. However, Buster Olney reports that the Red Sox may have pulled Jon Lester off the table.

The Twins are also keeping an eye of Corey Patterson and Kenny Lofton, should they fail to trade Santana, they may go after one of them.
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Bedard's going to Seattle. The M's have called Adam Jones back from winter ball and he's going to Baltimore for a physical.
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Wow...I'd be jumping for joy if my team got Erik Bedard...but apparently Mariners fans are pissed and feel that they should have gotten more than Bedard in return for Jones.

Said one fan: "We are screwed until at least 2014"
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They'll win 82-88 games next year, about what they did last year. They played over their heads a bit last year, so any difference Bedard might have made will be offset by that. They can't compete with the Red Sox, Yankees, Tigers, Indians and Angels yet.

I expect Sexson to keep sucking. Lopez and Betancourt should improve but Ibanez is on the decline. They lost Guillen. They lose Jones and Guillen. They need a bat.

Felix Hernandez needs to step it up. Batista and Washburn are going to take a step back. Nasty bullpen though.
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So now Angelos is apparently stepping in and putting the deal off/on hold. LOL, what a dysfunctional organization the O's are..
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So now Angelos is apparently stepping in and putting the deal off/on hold. LOL, what a dysfunctional organization the O's are..
This guy is gonna be the next George Steinbrenner if he keeps pulling this crap.

Roger Clemens' agent released a 40 page report comparing his stats to the info in the Mitchell report. Another stupid move in the wrong direction IMO.

Pedro Feliz signs a 2-year deal with the Phillies.

Red Sox trade Willy Mota and Miguel Socolovich to the White Sox for David Aardsma. I like to hear Sox fans from both cities about this.

And. In a strange move, Brandon Inge is going down to spring training as a Catcher with the tigers.
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The Mets have reportedly pulled Carlos Gomez from the Caribbean Series.

The new rumored deal: Johan Santana for Carlos Gomez, Deolis Guerra, Phil Humber, Kevin Mulvey, and Ruben Gotay.

Holy shit if that trade goes through. Mets get Johan and get to keep Martinez and Pelfrey? Sign me up!
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The Mets have reportedly pulled Carlos Gomez from the Caribbean Series.

The new rumored deal: Johan Santana for Carlos Gomez, Deolis Guerra, Phil Humber, Kevin Mulvey, and Ruben Gotay.

Holy shit if that trade goes through. Mets get Johan and get to keep Martinez and Pelfrey? Sign me up!
If thats all we have to give up I'm in too.
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