MLB 2005-2006 Offseason Thread - Page 29

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-31-2005, 02:04 AM

Damon said something about his stats being down with the A's since he was taking more pitches and trying to help the team more that way, then swinging at the first pitch (a lot of batters feel that is the best pitch to hit) I am pretty sure I read that in his book, it's probably a load of bullshit but I thought I'd throw it out there.

Anyways, I am starting to hear a lot about this 3 way trade, with Manny ending up with the Mets, Tejada with the Sox and Benson with the O's. Personally I don't see this trade ever happening but who knows? The O's seem to be getting shafted, unless there is a huge salary difference between Benson and Tejada (knowing the Mets though, Benson probably still makes a shitload of money for being an average pitcher) Also, I am not sure if Manny wants to play in New York? I know he can veto trades so he could void this trade if he wanted to. I don't see how playing in NY could be any better then Boston (atleast from his stand point, I think he wants to play somewhere where people aren't really as crazy about baseball)

**The Miz** · 12-31-2005, 02:14 AM

Latest trade rumor I heard was

Boston gets:
SS Miguel Tejada

New York gets:
OF Manny Ramirez

Baltimore gets:
SP Matt Clement
SS Julio Lugo
OF Victor Diaz
SP Brian Bannister

Tamp Bay gets:
RP Aaron Heilman
2B Kaz Matsui

It seems way too complicated to work out but it at least semi-makes sense for all teams. Boston gets their SS and gets rid of Manny, New York lands Manny, Baltimore gets some pitching and a more than adequate Tejada replacement and Devil Rays get a top young reliever and only have to give up Lugo who they will lose to FA next year anyway. It is a stupid trade for New York but they don't care, as long as they get the biggest most expensive players and deplete their farm system theyre happy. Baltimore would be insane not to go for it. Overall though I dont see it happening

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-31-2005, 03:09 AM

I don't see how Manny would think playing for the Mets would be any "better" then playing for Boston. I've heard people say it would be okay because of Pedro, but there is the exact same situation in Beantown right now and he's still unhappy (Ortiz). So even if somehow that trade worked out, I could still see Manny vetoing that trade. Maybe he wouldn't though, since he isn't exactly the smartest dude out there. I wish Manny would just grow a sack and stop being a lillllllll bitch and just want to play here. Ortiz and Ramirez batting back to back is just flat out sick and it is gonna suck when that comb o is broken up.

I've been pretty happy with the Red Sox management since it changed over, instead of bitching about Fenway Park not being able to produce enough revenue, they went out and built Monster seats, and a table area above the right field seats. They have squeezed more seats in, and improved concessions outside of the Park. The atmosphere outside of Fenway is amazing now, even if you aren't a Red Sox fan I would suggest taking in a game on a summer night at Fenway, they close down the entire street right outside the park and there is all types of shit going on. I've seen a large improvement since the switch, I don't really like what happened with Theo though. I think they really fucked up letting him go. I think that is hurting the team a lot right now, and will continue to hurt the team. Trade Hanley Ramirez but then let go of Renteria? I was all for letting go of Edgar "I ground into more double plays then I turn" Renteria but it really didn't make sense to me after they traded their best SS prospect away - especially for a pitcher from the National league. I don't really like the idea of a pitcher switching leagues, maybe I am wrong here but I just don't see him being as effective as he was in Florida.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-31-2005, 08:16 AM

Miz, where did you see/hear the 4-way? I just ask because most people I heard and read talk about that said it was an "internet rumor", I did hear the radio talking about a 3way, same one Stima was talking about (actually, I think I posted it somewhere...)

It doesn't make sense, unless there are some prospects with Benson.

Stima - As for Manny to NY, I'm not sure if you're here locally or away to school, but the main reason for him leaving is the pressure of the press or fans, it's his Wife, the long story short is, he was having an affair and the women involved went kinda "fatal attraction" so his wife wants out of Boston or claimed she would leave him and take the kids (1 born and 1 on the way). This is why Ortiz said "It's for real this time, you don't know what him and his family are going through".

On a side note, I must admit it's kinda funny... I'm far from an expert on them, but a little funny info from either first hand knowledge or via a friend.

She was a host at (I think) Joe's American, she was at a club one night on a date, talking to some people and a friend of hers said "hey, that's Manny Rameriez over there" she blew off her date and friends and went straight for him... Apperently they hit it off since they eventually got married. She got this great, rich athlete and he got a hot chick.

Now, while you'd think She'd be Manny's "Arm Candy" it's the other way around, and even after marrige she'd go out of her way to show him off.

She used to belong to the same Gym I used to go to. When she'd work out with one of the trainers, she'd bring Manny with her. Now, this Gym has an upstairs for personal training where you can only go if you've having a private session, given there are more machines down stairs but you can do most things upstairs. Rather then working out upstairs she'd work down stairs with Manny following her around. It was like a puppy on a leash, and he'd just do crunches while waiting for her. I once asked a trainer I knew there why they didn't go upstairs, (of couse, I'd also wonder why not go to a private gym or have your own) and he said the trainer actually had asked her if she would and even the manager had poltely suggested it, because it was kinda "disrupting" and she wanted none of it, insisted on being downstairs.

I dunno, just kinda funny...

But back to baseball, yeah I don't get the Benson part either.

**The Miz** · 12-31-2005, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

Miz, where did you see/hear the 4-way? I just ask because most people I heard and read talk about that said it was an "internet rumor", I did hear the radio talking about a 3way, same one Stima was talking about (actually, I think I posted it somewhere...)

Read the 4-way on Gotham Baseball (NY magazine) website.

Here's another one the NY Daily News reported was discussed (Both of these are NY papers, not the most reliable source of information)

Mets get:
OF Manny Ramirez

Red Sox get:
SS Miguel Tejada
OF Joey Gathright

Orioles get:
SS Julio Lugo
SP Matt Clement
SP Kris Benson

Devil Rays:
3B Andy Marte
SP Aaron Heilman
2B Kaz Matsui
SP Jae Seo

It's an excellent trade for TB. Although NY usually doesn't care about giving up prospects/pitchers, I just can't see Minaya entering 06 with a rotation of Pedro/Glavine/Trachsel/Zambrano/another starter. But I don't see BAL or BOS even thinking about accepting it.

Also, according to Newsday, Aaron Heilman told the Mets if he doesn't start in 2006 he wants a trade.

**Joey Slugs** · 12-31-2005, 11:44 AM

Friday, December 30
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Miguel Tejada Orioles	Astros? White Sox? Phillies? Cubs Mets? Angels? Red Sox?	Tejada still upset with O's Dec 30 - Miguel Tejada's more upset now than he was three weeks ago, The Baltimore Sun reports. Unsatisfied with his team's direction, Tejada has reiterated his concerns about the Orioles' lack of improvement, suggesting that he might be better off playing elsewhere next season. "Next year, I want to be somewhere where they want to win," Tejada told The Sun before playing in a Dominican League game on Thursday night. According to The Sun, the best proposal Baltimore has received for Tejada is from Boston, who offered outfielder Manny Ramirez and pitcher Matt Clement.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Danys Baez Devil Rays	Mets	Bullpen makeover Dec 30 - In an effort to land a setup man for closer Billy Wagner, the Mets are working to finalize a deal to acquire reliever Danys Baez from Tampa Bay, The New York Post reports. The Devil Rays would receive a package headed by either Jae Seo or Aaron Heilman.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Alfonso Soriano Nationals	Red Sox?	Pitching a deal? Dec 30 - According to the Washington Post, Alfonso Soriano remains adamant about playing second base for the Nationals and won't consider moving to the outfield. His defiance has triggered calls from several interested teams (including Boston) to see if the Nationals might be willing to trade Soriano. For now, the Nats appear unwilling to part with Soriano unless they are bowled over with an offer that includes either a front-line starting pitcher, such as the Red Sox' Josh Beckett, or several younger, front-line pitching prospects. One source familiar with Washington's discussions over the last several weeks said, "There's nothing close enough to take seriously right now," but thought the Nationals would remain open to talks about trades for pitching.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Manny Ramirez Red Sox	Orioles Phillies? Mariners? Mets? Angels?	Manny obstacles to a blockbuster Dec 30 - The Mets remain interested in acquiring Manny Ramirez and are paying close attention to the Miguel Tejada situation in Baltimore, the Newark Star-Ledger reports. One possibility is a multi-team swap in which Mets pitcher Kris Benson would end up in Baltimore, Tejada in Boston and Ramirez with the Mets (with a variety of other players and cash bouncing around as well). The Red Sox have offered Ramirez and Matt Clement to the Orioles for Tejada, but there are several possible deal killers, The Boston Globe reports. Baltimore is largely opposed to dealing Tejada to an AL East team; Ramirez and Clement are owed approximately $22 million more in guaranteed money than Tejada; and Ramirez would have to approve a move to Baltimore.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
J.T. Snow Giants	Orioles? Yankees? Red Sox	Forecasting Snow Dec 30 - The Red Sox are awaiting word from 37-year-old first baseman J.T. Snow, the Boston Herald reports. Snow's agent, Dan Horwits, said a decision could come before the end of this week.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Roger Clemens Astros	Yankees? Rangers?	Rocket relaunch? Dec 30 - If Roger Clemens decides to pitch next season, the Rangers will be interested in his services, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports. The Yankees already have had talks with Clemens' agents about a possible return to pinstripes, and the Red Sox also have made contact this winter. Clemens, 43, probably won't make a decision until February or March, after pitching for the United States in the World Baseball Classic.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Julio Lugo Devil Rays	Red Sox	Holiday package? Dec 30 - Whether Julio Lugo remains with the Devil Rays or is traded to the Red Sox appears contingent on whether Boston can work a trade for disgruntled Orioles shortstop Miguel Tejada, the St. Petersburg Times reports. According to the Tampa Tribuen, the Devil Rays and Red Sox have talked about a deal that could send Lugo and possibly center fielder Joey Gathright to Boston. Another potential trading partner is the Mets, who apparently like Lugo and reliever Danys Baez. Tampa Bay likely would want pitcher Aaron Heilman in return.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Brian Anderson Royals	Rangers?	Arlington road Dec 30 - Brian Anderson is next on the Rangers' winter wish list, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports. After undergoing a physical, the veteran left-hander is expected to sign with Texas. Anderson, 33, had "Tommy John" surgery on July 21 and is unlikely to pitch until June. He has a career record of 82-83 with a 4.74 ERA in 13 major league seasons.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Ryan Franklin Mariners	Pirates? Astros? Royals? Nationals? Giants? Rangers? Diamondbacks? Dodgers? Phillies?	Mr. Popular Dec 30 - The Pirates have considered bidding for free-agent right-hander Ryan Franklin to add depth to the starting rotation, the Beaver County Times reports. Franklin, who became a free agent when Seattle declined to tender him a contract, is attracting plenty of interest from teams in the market for a back-end-of-the-rotation starter, reports ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick. Agent Jeff Frye has been using the recent deals signed by Jason Johnson, Brett Tomko and Scott Elarton as a framework in Franklin's talks with clubs. Franklin has a 23-44 record over the past three seasons, but a lower ERA (4.49) and more innings pitched (603) than any of those three starters. Tomko signed a two-year, $8.75 million deal with the Dodgers, while Elarton agreed to a two-year, $8 million contract with Kansas City. Cleveland signed Johnson for one year and $4 million.

**YOUR Hero** · 12-31-2005, 03:49 PM

Randa signs with the Pirates. Only a 1 year deal. Very surprised they didn't sign a 2 or 3 year deal.

12-31-2005, 04:45 PM

lol cause its pittsburgh and who the hell who stay there more than a year

**YOUR Hero** · 12-31-2005, 09:51 PM

He says he wanted to go to Pittsburgh, that he chose Pittsburgh over other teams. His first year in the majors he played for the Pirates.

**The Miz** · 01-01-2006, 01:05 AM

Steve Phillips prediction watch, week 3

Johnny Damon to Red Sox WRONG
Kevin Millwood to Indians WRONG
Jarrod Washbun to Rangers WRONG
Mark Grudzielanek to Cardinals WRONG
Nomar to Dodgers RIGHT
Jacque Jones to Tigers WRONG
Reggie Sanders to Cardinals WRONG
Jeromy Burnitz to Padres WRONG
Kenny Lofton to Padres WRONG
Joe Randa to LA Dodgers WRONG
Scott Elarton to Nats WRONG
Octavio Dotel to Mets WRONG
Juan Encarnacion to Mets WRONG

1/14, ouch. He is 8/38 (.211) on the season

**YOUR Hero** · 01-01-2006, 02:52 PM

A monkey could make better predictions. (VEL)

**VonErich Lives** · 01-01-2006, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOUR Hero

A monkey could make better predictions. (VEL)

*throws monkey poop at Hero*

**The Miz** · 01-01-2006, 04:28 PM

Pirates are going to trade (if not bench) Craig Wilson. They won't ask for much and he will be a great steal for a team needing a corner OF

**YOUR Hero** · 01-01-2006, 04:46 PM

If the Pirates give up on Craig Wilson, it would be a huge mistake. Why do you think thaqt, Miz?

The only thing I can think of is his lower than desired avg. Yet the Pirates tried to land Byrnes and his avg. is not much better.

**The Miz** · 01-01-2006, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOUR Hero

If the Pirates give up on Craig Wilson, it would be a huge mistake. Why do you think thaqt, Miz?

The only thing I can think of is his lower than desired avg. Yet the Pirates tried to land Byrnes and his avg. is not much better.

from Pit. Post-Gazette

Littlefield has addressed three of his four targeted positions for upgrade this offseason, with only right field remaining. He has not ruled out using Craig Wilson or Jody Gerut in right, perhaps as a platoon, but reiterated his preference to find a new starter from the outside.
"We want to try to get a power bat that's been productive, hopefully with some solid defense, someone who fits into our lineup," Littlefield said. "We're out there working to find that guy."
He added that is more likely to occur through free agency than a trade.

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I don't think Littlefield is stupid enough to bench Wilson due to his .265 average, he has posted .355-.360 OBP in every season he's played along with a .500 SLG. Even if his 2004 was a fluke (which I don't think it was, its not surprising he hits 29 home runs when he finally plays 155 games), his numbers before that were an .872 OPS and 18 HR in only 116 games. I don't know what FA corner OFer Littlefield thinks is going to produce better than that. Certainly not Sosa or Hidalgo.

I'd like to see St. Louis go after him, they could use an upgrade over Larry Bigbie/So Taguchi. If ATL trades Langerhans to Cleveland they might want to look Wilson's way also.

**YOUR Hero** · 01-01-2006, 04:47 PM

...maybe they think his 2004 season was a fluke, better than he's able to reproduce?

**RoXer** · 01-01-2006, 04:48 PM

wtf

**YOUR Hero** · 01-01-2006, 04:55 PM

Glitched, but repaired...

I wonder if anyone is going to pick up Juan Gonzalez? So much potential, but so often injured anymore. It seems to me he'd make a great DH, as good as a Frank Thomas.

**YOUR Hero** · 01-01-2006, 05:07 PM

I agree with you on the points about Wilson. Of course right away I begin to think about the Jays. The need for pop from the outfield remains and this would be a match, IMO.

**The Miz** · 01-01-2006, 05:07 PM

As far as Gonzalez, i don't think so, he's riskier than Thomas. Thomas is only 2 years removed from 150+ games and 42 homers, Juan Gone hasn't played more than half a season since 2001. I can't think of a single AL team other than the Yankees that might take a chance on him.

**The Miz** · 01-01-2006, 05:09 PM

Man, Toronto would've been perfect if they would've acted before Pittsburgh signed Joe Randa. Pirates desperately needed a 3rd basemen, Toronto had 3 quality ones. Koskie for Wilson probably would've been a match.

**YOUR Hero** · 01-01-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Miz

Man, Toronto would've been perfect if they would've acted before Pittsburgh signed Joe Randa. Pirates desperately needed a 3rd basemen, Toronto had 3 quality ones. Koskie for Wilson probably would've been a match.

The Jays can't seem to move Koskie. I don't understand it. Nor do I understand trying to trade him. I see players have injured years/off years bounce back all the time. Teams seem to want Hillenbrand, which is understandable. (Just wish Hinske [broken record here] could be moved)

Although yes, a trade of Koskie for Wilson would make perfet sence at the time.

**YOUR Hero** · 01-01-2006, 05:10 PM

Juan can't command too much cash, one would think. A one year contract with incentives seems to be all he could expect, making him affordable to anyone.

**The Miz** · 01-01-2006, 05:13 PM

This is true, but I'm struggling to think of an AL team whose current DH is worse than Juan Gonzalez. The Yankees don't really know who their DH is right now which is why they might give him a chance. If he gets hurt or doesn't produce, they can use Cairo/Phillips and go back to their plan of using it to give their people rest.

**YOUR Hero** · 01-01-2006, 05:18 PM

I didn't finish my thoughts on Koskie...

He can be an upgrade at 1b for Toronto, I see him there. He can DH at times as a rest and let Hillenbrand switch off with him. I see no role for Hinske anymore. Plus, Hinske tends to complain when he doesn't get playing time. If he'd be comfortable in a role position, fine. He doesn't seem to feel that's a duty for him yet.

Koskie is a 'team guy', he'd play 1b if asked. He's a great character guy and teams need those, especially ones that can produce.

**The Miz** · 01-01-2006, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOUR Hero

I didn't finish my thoughts on Koskie...

He can be an upgrade at 1b for Toronto, I see him there. He can DH at times as a rest and let Hillenbrand switch off with him. I see no role for Hinske anymore. Plus, Hinske tends to complain when he doesn't get playing time. If he'd be comfortable in a role position, fine. He doesn't seem to feel that's a duty for him yet.

Koskie is a 'team guy', he'd play 1b if asked. He's a great character guy and teams need those, especially ones that can produce.

Maybe before they got Overbay

**YOUR Hero** · 01-01-2006, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Miz

Maybe before they got Overbay

Pffft.

d'oh.

Good point. What was I thinking

Koskie to the outfield?
Man...

**The Miz** · 01-01-2006, 05:18 PM

What I don't get is Toronto's fascination with Hillenbrand. JP took him off the block the other day. He's not that much better than Hinske/Koskie but has much higher trade value. JP seems set with Glaus at third, Hillenbrand at DH. Not really any spot for Hinske or Koskie right now.

01-01-2006, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Miz

What I don't get is Toronto's fascination with Hillenbrand. JP took him off the block the other day. He's not that much better than Hinske/Koskie but has much higher trade value. JP seems set with Glaus at third, Hillenbrand at DH. Not really any spot for Hinske or Koskie right now.

i can't get peoples fascination with koskie. he strikes out too much and has a below average Batting average

Hinske being moved to the outfield makes no sense to me considering they re-sgned reed johnson and still have catalanatto. I would like to see the Jays pick up a base stealing threat.

**YOUR Hero** · 01-01-2006, 05:21 PM

I think Hillenbrand and him had a gentleman's agreement. I believe JP is honouring that.

**The Miz** · 01-01-2006, 05:25 PM

In the end I see Hinske being moved (Baltimore has previously shown interest), Koskie sitting the bench and giving Overbay, Glaus, and Hillenbrand days off at 1B/3B/DH, and JP getting a corner OF from outside. But to move Hinske Toronto better be willing to eat some slaray.

**RoXer** · 01-01-2006, 05:27 PM

A real DBacks corner infield they got there.

**YOUR Hero** · 01-01-2006, 10:23 PM

Last year his strike outs were very high. I believe it had a lot to do with him pressing. You know, trying to prove himself to Toronto/Canadian fans. Then he got hurt, when he came back he pressed even more still. I really believe last year was just a tough year for him. I like JP's direction, and I think he's done things that have been in the very best interest of the Jays now, and into the future, but I wish he wasn't soured (rumoured) with Koskie. He needs a chance to prove himself.

01-01-2006, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by YOUR Hero

Last year his strike outs were very high. I believe it had a lot to do with him pressing. You know, trying to prove himself to Toronto/Canadian fans. Then he got hurt, when he came back he pressed even more still. I really believe last year was just a tough year for him. I like JP's direction, and I think he's done things that have been in the very best interest of the Jays now, and into the future, but I wish he wasn't soured (rumoured) with Koskie. He needs a chance to prove himself.

I also like JP"S direction, but I also think Koskie's salary would be better spent on a base stealing threat.

**YOUR Hero** · 01-01-2006, 10:35 PM

Well there's no doubt the Jays are slow. Rios lead the team with 14(?) stolen bases last year. Wells used to be a bit of a stealing threat as is Hinske to a degree. The Jays do run the bases well... *grasping here...

**YOUR Hero** · 01-01-2006, 10:39 PM

I was just looking something up of Koskie. He played some RF for Minnesota back in 1999. Not much mind you. I wonder if the plan is to put him in the OF afterall.. if they can't move him. With all due respect to Catalanotto and Reed, they lack punch.

You know, there's no way JP will keep things as they are. Too complicated and the players will grumble over time.

01-01-2006, 10:48 PM

yeah 5 players for 3 positions won't sit well. especially with our lack of power in right/left field.

**Evil Vito** · 01-03-2006, 10:29 AM

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseba...orts-headlines

What a deal that would be...I like Seo, but I have a feeling big league hitters will soon pick up on his pitches.

And then dumping Matsui, always a great thing...I'd ask for Lugo in the deal, but even if they refused I'd make the initial deal in a heartbeat.

Plus, that would open up a spot in the rotation for Aaron Heilman, who said he wants to be dealt if he's NOT used in a starting capacity

**Joey Slugs** · 01-03-2006, 01:54 PM

Tuesday, January 3
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Miguel Tejada Orioles	Astros? White Sox? Phillies? Cubs Mets? Angels? Red Sox?	Boston calling? Jan 3 - The Orioles would like to decide the fate of shortstop Miguel Tejada within the next several days, the Boston Herald reports. Among the possible trade partners with Baltimore are the Red Sox, who are offering outfielder Manny Ramirez and pitcher Matt Clement in exchange for Tejada and an outfielder, who could be 22-year-old prospect Nick Markakis. Though there are other teams interested in Tejada, none may be able to offer the package put forth by the Red Sox. The Cubs reportedly have offered Mark Prior and outfielder Corey Patterson in a package for Tejada. The Astros also have expressed interest in the shortstop, but no one can offer Baltimore a hitter like Ramirez in return.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Manny Ramirez Red Sox	Orioles Phillies? Mariners? Mets? Angels?	Blockbuster brewing? Jan 3 - A blockbuster four-team trade involving Manny Ramirez could be in the works, the New York Daily News reports. The Mets would get Ramirez from the Red Sox, as well as reliever Danys Baez from the Devil Rays. The Sox would receive shortstop Miguel Tejada from the Orioles and center fielder Joey Gathright from the D-Rays. Baltimore would get Julio Lugo from Tampa and possibly starters Kris Benson from the Mets and Matt Clement from Boston. The Rays would get cheap players with big upsides, such as Aaron Heilman and Jae Seo from the Mets. According to the Boston Herald, the Sox are still in Manny-Tejada talks. The Sox are offering Ramirez and Clement to the Orioles in exchange for Tejada and an outfielder, possibly 22-year-old prospect Nick Markakis. Ramirez reportedly would accept a deal to Baltimore only if the O's would exercise a pair of options on his contract. Those options would keep Ramirez in Baltimore through 2010 but are at a whopping $20 million each, which would be a major deterrent to the Orioles.

**VonErich Lives** · 01-03-2006, 03:21 PM

Wait, so this putz, wants a trade, but now, only if they pickup $40mil in options?

WTF, let him sit and earn nothing.

12-31-2005, 02:04 AM	#1
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Damon said something about his stats being down with the A's since he was taking more pitches and trying to help the team more that way, then swinging at the first pitch (a lot of batters feel that is the best pitch to hit) I am pretty sure I read that in his book, it's probably a load of bullshit but I thought I'd throw it out there. Anyways, I am starting to hear a lot about this 3 way trade, with Manny ending up with the Mets, Tejada with the Sox and Benson with the O's. Personally I don't see this trade ever happening but who knows? The O's seem to be getting shafted, unless there is a huge salary difference between Benson and Tejada (knowing the Mets though, Benson probably still makes a shitload of money for being an average pitcher) Also, I am not sure if Manny wants to play in New York? I know he can veto trades so he could void this trade if he wanted to. I don't see how playing in NY could be any better then Boston (atleast from his stand point, I think he wants to play somewhere where people aren't really as crazy about baseball) Last edited by Jesus Shuttlesworth; 12-31-2005 at 02:54 AM.

12-31-2005, 02:14 AM	#2
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Latest trade rumor I heard was Boston gets: SS Miguel Tejada New York gets: OF Manny Ramirez Baltimore gets: SP Matt Clement SS Julio Lugo OF Victor Diaz SP Brian Bannister Tamp Bay gets: RP Aaron Heilman 2B Kaz Matsui It seems way too complicated to work out but it at least semi-makes sense for all teams. Boston gets their SS and gets rid of Manny, New York lands Manny, Baltimore gets some pitching and a more than adequate Tejada replacement and Devil Rays get a top young reliever and only have to give up Lugo who they will lose to FA next year anyway. It is a stupid trade for New York but they don't care, as long as they get the biggest most expensive players and deplete their farm system theyre happy. Baltimore would be insane not to go for it. Overall though I dont see it happening

12-31-2005, 03:09 AM	#3
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I don't see how Manny would think playing for the Mets would be any "better" then playing for Boston. I've heard people say it would be okay because of Pedro, but there is the exact same situation in Beantown right now and he's still unhappy (Ortiz). So even if somehow that trade worked out, I could still see Manny vetoing that trade. Maybe he wouldn't though, since he isn't exactly the smartest dude out there. I wish Manny would just grow a sack and stop being a lillllllll bitch and just want to play here. Ortiz and Ramirez batting back to back is just flat out sick and it is gonna suck when that comb o is broken up. I've been pretty happy with the Red Sox management since it changed over, instead of bitching about Fenway Park not being able to produce enough revenue, they went out and built Monster seats, and a table area above the right field seats. They have squeezed more seats in, and improved concessions outside of the Park. The atmosphere outside of Fenway is amazing now, even if you aren't a Red Sox fan I would suggest taking in a game on a summer night at Fenway, they close down the entire street right outside the park and there is all types of shit going on. I've seen a large improvement since the switch, I don't really like what happened with Theo though. I think they really fucked up letting him go. I think that is hurting the team a lot right now, and will continue to hurt the team. Trade Hanley Ramirez but then let go of Renteria? I was all for letting go of Edgar "I ground into more double plays then I turn" Renteria but it really didn't make sense to me after they traded their best SS prospect away - especially for a pitcher from the National league. I don't really like the idea of a pitcher switching leagues, maybe I am wrong here but I just don't see him being as effective as he was in Florida.

12-31-2005, 08:16 AM	#4
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	Miz, where did you see/hear the 4-way? I just ask because most people I heard and read talk about that said it was an "internet rumor", I did hear the radio talking about a 3way, same one Stima was talking about (actually, I think I posted it somewhere...) It doesn't make sense, unless there are some prospects with Benson. Stima - As for Manny to NY, I'm not sure if you're here locally or away to school, but the main reason for him leaving is the pressure of the press or fans, it's his Wife, the long story short is, he was having an affair and the women involved went kinda "fatal attraction" so his wife wants out of Boston or claimed she would leave him and take the kids (1 born and 1 on the way). This is why Ortiz said "It's for real this time, you don't know what him and his family are going through". On a side note, I must admit it's kinda funny... I'm far from an expert on them, but a little funny info from either first hand knowledge or via a friend. She was a host at (I think) Joe's American, she was at a club one night on a date, talking to some people and a friend of hers said "hey, that's Manny Rameriez over there" she blew off her date and friends and went straight for him... Apperently they hit it off since they eventually got married. She got this great, rich athlete and he got a hot chick. Now, while you'd think She'd be Manny's "Arm Candy" it's the other way around, and even after marrige she'd go out of her way to show him off. She used to belong to the same Gym I used to go to. When she'd work out with one of the trainers, she'd bring Manny with her. Now, this Gym has an upstairs for personal training where you can only go if you've having a private session, given there are more machines down stairs but you can do most things upstairs. Rather then working out upstairs she'd work down stairs with Manny following her around. It was like a puppy on a leash, and he'd just do crunches while waiting for her. I once asked a trainer I knew there why they didn't go upstairs, (of couse, I'd also wonder why not go to a private gym or have your own) and he said the trainer actually had asked her if she would and even the manager had poltely suggested it, because it was kinda "disrupting" and she wanted none of it, insisted on being downstairs. I dunno, just kinda funny... But back to baseball, yeah I don't get the Benson part either.

12-31-2005, 03:49 PM	#7
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	Randa signs with the Pirates. Only a 1 year deal. Very surprised they didn't sign a 2 or 3 year deal.

12-31-2005, 04:45 PM	#8
Gertner Guest Posts: n/a	lol cause its pittsburgh and who the hell who stay there more than a year

12-31-2005, 09:51 PM	#9
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	He says he wanted to go to Pittsburgh, that he chose Pittsburgh over other teams. His first year in the majors he played for the Pirates.

01-01-2006, 01:05 AM	#10
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Steve Phillips prediction watch, week 3 Johnny Damon to Red Sox WRONG Kevin Millwood to Indians WRONG Jarrod Washbun to Rangers WRONG Mark Grudzielanek to Cardinals WRONG Nomar to Dodgers RIGHT Jacque Jones to Tigers WRONG Reggie Sanders to Cardinals WRONG Jeromy Burnitz to Padres WRONG Kenny Lofton to Padres WRONG Joe Randa to LA Dodgers WRONG Scott Elarton to Nats WRONG Octavio Dotel to Mets WRONG Juan Encarnacion to Mets WRONG 1/14, ouch. He is 8/38 (.211) on the season

01-01-2006, 02:52 PM	#11
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	A monkey could make better predictions. (VEL)

01-01-2006, 04:28 PM	#13
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Pirates are going to trade (if not bench) Craig Wilson. They won't ask for much and he will be a great steal for a team needing a corner OF

01-01-2006, 04:46 PM	#14
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	If the Pirates give up on Craig Wilson, it would be a huge mistake. Why do you think thaqt, Miz? The only thing I can think of is his lower than desired avg. Yet the Pirates tried to land Byrnes and his avg. is not much better.

01-01-2006, 04:47 PM	#16
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	...maybe they think his 2004 season was a fluke, better than he's able to reproduce?

01-01-2006, 04:48 PM	#17
RoXer History's Greatest, Mr. E Posts: 42,425	wtf

01-01-2006, 04:55 PM	#18
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	Glitched, but repaired... I wonder if anyone is going to pick up Juan Gonzalez? So much potential, but so often injured anymore. It seems to me he'd make a great DH, as good as a Frank Thomas.

01-01-2006, 05:07 PM	#19
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	I agree with you on the points about Wilson. Of course right away I begin to think about the Jays. The need for pop from the outfield remains and this would be a match, IMO.

01-01-2006, 05:09 PM	#21
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Man, Toronto would've been perfect if they would've acted before Pittsburgh signed Joe Randa. Pirates desperately needed a 3rd basemen, Toronto had 3 quality ones. Koskie for Wilson probably would've been a match.

01-01-2006, 05:10 PM	#23
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	Juan can't command too much cash, one would think. A one year contract with incentives seems to be all he could expect, making him affordable to anyone.

01-01-2006, 05:13 PM	#24
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	This is true, but I'm struggling to think of an AL team whose current DH is worse than Juan Gonzalez. The Yankees don't really know who their DH is right now which is why they might give him a chance. If he gets hurt or doesn't produce, they can use Cairo/Phillips and go back to their plan of using it to give their people rest.

01-01-2006, 05:18 PM	#25
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	I didn't finish my thoughts on Koskie... He can be an upgrade at 1b for Toronto, I see him there. He can DH at times as a rest and let Hillenbrand switch off with him. I see no role for Hinske anymore. Plus, Hinske tends to complain when he doesn't get playing time. If he'd be comfortable in a role position, fine. He doesn't seem to feel that's a duty for him yet. Koskie is a 'team guy', he'd play 1b if asked. He's a great character guy and teams need those, especially ones that can produce.

01-01-2006, 05:21 PM	#30
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	I think Hillenbrand and him had a gentleman's agreement. I believe JP is honouring that.

01-01-2006, 05:25 PM	#31
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	In the end I see Hinske being moved (Baltimore has previously shown interest), Koskie sitting the bench and giving Overbay, Glaus, and Hillenbrand days off at 1B/3B/DH, and JP getting a corner OF from outside. But to move Hinske Toronto better be willing to eat some slaray.

01-01-2006, 05:27 PM	#32
RoXer History's Greatest, Mr. E Posts: 42,425	A real DBacks corner infield they got there.

01-01-2006, 10:23 PM	#33
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	Last year his strike outs were very high. I believe it had a lot to do with him pressing. You know, trying to prove himself to Toronto/Canadian fans. Then he got hurt, when he came back he pressed even more still. I really believe last year was just a tough year for him. I like JP's direction, and I think he's done things that have been in the very best interest of the Jays now, and into the future, but I wish he wasn't soured (rumoured) with Koskie. He needs a chance to prove himself.

01-01-2006, 10:35 PM	#35
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	Well there's no doubt the Jays are slow. Rios lead the team with 14(?) stolen bases last year. Wells used to be a bit of a stealing threat as is Hinske to a degree. The Jays do run the bases well... *grasping here...

01-01-2006, 10:39 PM	#36
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	I was just looking something up of Koskie. He played some RF for Minnesota back in 1999. Not much mind you. I wonder if the plan is to put him in the OF afterall.. if they can't move him. With all due respect to Catalanotto and Reed, they lack punch. You know, there's no way JP will keep things as they are. Too complicated and the players will grumble over time.

01-01-2006, 10:48 PM	#37
Gertner Guest Posts: n/a	yeah 5 players for 3 positions won't sit well. especially with our lack of power in right/left field.

01-03-2006, 10:29 AM	#38
Evil Vito President of Freedonia Posts: 58,383	http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseba...orts-headlines What a deal that would be...I like Seo, but I have a feeling big league hitters will soon pick up on his pitches. And then dumping Matsui, always a great thing...I'd ask for Lugo in the deal, but even if they refused I'd make the initial deal in a heartbeat. Plus, that would open up a spot in the rotation for Aaron Heilman, who said he wants to be dealt if he's NOT used in a starting capacity

01-03-2006, 03:21 PM	#40
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	Wait, so this putz, wants a trade, but now, only if they pickup $40mil in options? WTF, let him sit and earn nothing.