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Old 07-08-2010, 01:44 AM   #81
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Maybe some of you folks don't understand the difference between the BUSINESS and CREATIVE sides. Paul Heyman was in charge of ECW's creative and business sides. True, ECW failed and went under, but ECW went under due to the poor business decisions Paul Heyman made, not the creative decisions. How can some of you not grasp this simple concept? Paul Heyman has a great creative mind in the wrestling business, but he's not a great business man. So from a creative standpoint, I think he could be a great asset to TNA.
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You're mostly right, BigCrippyZ, but there are some instances where the creative side effected the business side.

For example, as ECW began to grow, they were in a position where they could get widely merchandised and get a concrete TV deal. Some of this stuff began to happen, but it never fully took off because of the content of ECW. Heyman constantly was at odds with TNN.

He was adamant about keeping his product the same creatively, but this ultimately burnt bridges and blocked avenues that could have allowed the company to grow. It jeopardized a shaky tv deal, and definitely prevented moving onto a better one. At the very least, these deals could have kept the company afloat. It was always struggling to make sure the checks didn't bounce, and the phenomenon of ECW wasn't built to last forever the way it was going. It needed stability. Heyman was a visionary, so he couldn't see that some sacrifices had to be made on the creative side to make the business side work.

You can make of that what you will. It's probably better for his legacy as a booker that he stuck to his guns and never "sold out." At least among the fans.
But for the continued success of his own company, and the job security of his workers, (and countless others who would have followed them and had another place to apply their craft), it wasn't the right choice.
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Old 07-08-2010, 02:15 AM   #83
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You're mostly right, BigCrippyZ, but there are some instances where the creative side effected the business side.

For example, as ECW began to grow, they were in a position where they could get widely merchandised and get a concrete TV deal. Some of this stuff began to happen, but it never fully took off because of the content of ECW. Heyman constantly was at odds with TNN.

He was adamant about keeping his product the same creatively, but this ultimately burnt bridges and blocked avenues that could have allowed the company to grow. It jeopardized a shaky tv deal, and definitely prevented moving onto a better one. At the very least, these deals could have kept the company afloat. It was always struggling to make sure the checks didn't bounce, and the phenomenon of ECW wasn't built to last forever the way it was going. It needed stability. Heyman was a visionary, so he couldn't see that some sacrifices had to be made on the creative side to make the business side work.

You can make of that what you will. It's probably better for his legacy as a booker that he stuck to his guns and never "sold out." At least among the fans.
But for the continued success of his own company, and the job security of his workers, (and countless others who would have followed them and had another place to apply their craft), it wasn't the right choice.
Thanks man. I see what you're saying and agree with you mostly too, although I view it more as a poor business decision. There needed to be someone in charge of the business end saying to creative, "Hey we need to tone this down just enough to get a tv deal, etc..."

It also probably would've helped to have someone on the business end dealing with the outside companies, taking their criticism and input, instead of Paul having to take criticism for his creative work from them.

I imagine he took it quite personally, as anyone likely would, when a TV or sponsor exec told him his product (writing, etc) wasn't good enough or too violent, etc.
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He definitely lost ECW on the business end. And him booking in TNA would be a win-win situation for them, because he is great creatively and that's all he would be doing.
I agree that it is foolish for people to not realize this.
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Heyman is also great at utilizing unproven talent. TNA has a roster that he could do a lot of great things with.
He's also wise enough to focus on the strenghts of a company, and not trying to imitate or compete with the other promotions. He would bring a real identity to TNA and highlight their unique traits/develop new selling points, rather than come across as second rate WWE, or a pestering #2.

Seriously, I have next to no interest in TNA now, but giving Heyman full control of the book would probably be the only thing that could get me interested. I'd go as far as to say it would probably even get me excited. It has to be a full on shift though. They can't half ass it and put him on the "team" with the others. The place is broken. They need to go big or go home.
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The fans there will shit all over the TNA product.
this is why i assume tna booked the show. to test the reaction of the audience to see if they can hold shows there.
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That crowd will shit all over a current TNA product with Russo and Hogan and Bischoff etc. running the gig.
But would they shit all over a "new TNA" with Paul Heyman in charge and that roster underneath him? I don't think so

It would be funny if they actually used it as the launching pad for the new direction, and televised it as a Heyman's first Impact as the booker, and they wrote Hogan off the show in the Hammerstein.
Hogan would never agree to that, but it would be fun
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Heyman shoot on Terry Bolea and the roster drags him out with the trash
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That crowd will shit all over a current TNA product with Russo and Hogan and Bischoff etc. running the gig.
But would they shit all over a "new TNA" with Paul Heyman in charge and that roster underneath him? I don't think so

It would be funny if they actually used it as the launching pad for the new direction, and televised it as a Heyman's first Impact as the booker, and they wrote Hogan off the show in the Hammerstein.
Hogan would never agree to that, but it would be fun
Damn, that'd be incredible... never gonna happen, but it would be fucking awesome.
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Heyman shoot on Terry Bolea and the roster drags him out with the trash
I don't know why, as much as I'd love to see this and as amazing as it would be, picturing Hogan being dragged out by the whole roster made me laugh.
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Even the current TNA will probably be smart enough to book to that crowd though. Regardless of what the company's direction is at that time, even they probably aren't stupid enough to march their bullshit through there.
They will probably just stick to RVD vs Nigel and stuff like that, and mostly ROH and ECW guys.
Although, they are pretty stupid. Maybe they'll have Rob Terry main event.
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I just read that Jimmy Wang Yang will join TNA. WHY????? I defend TNA but stop with the former WWE guys, even though wang wrestled in TNA before, what imapact did he make in the WWE? Who will watch TNA because of him? Please for the love of God TNA grow your own stars that is one of your biggest problems.
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That crowd will shit all over a current TNA product with Russo and Hogan and Bischoff etc. running the gig.
But would they shit all over a "new TNA" with Paul Heyman in charge and that roster underneath him? I don't think so

It would be funny if they actually used it as the launching pad for the new direction, and televised it as a Heyman's first Impact as the booker, and they wrote Hogan off the show in the Hammerstein.
Hogan would never agree to that, but it would be fun
well russo is pretty much gone, but the fans would still say fire russo, we all do that. on bischoff fans still respect him, he may get heel heat. hogan i have yet to see him get xpac heat he will still have his fans there.
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I just read that Jimmy Wang Yang will join TNA. WHY????? I defend TNA but stop with the former WWE guys, even though wang wrestled in TNA before, what imapact did he make in the WWE? Who will watch TNA because of him? Please for the love of God TNA grow your own stars that is one of your biggest problems.
He was in WCW and TNA before his WWE stint...
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He was in WCW and TNA before his WWE stint...
an also the list of wrestlers that never in wwe is pretty slim
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You dumb fucks, all I hear on this forum is "this shit sucks" or "why are they bringing back old guys?!?!" Now, in this particular thread, I read let's bring back Paul Heyman. Are you fucking smarks Bi-polar? Maybe what TNA needs is some fresh new ideas from new people. Bring back Paul Heyman, yeah that will work...... how is his creation ECW doing.... Ohh wait, it fucking went under. You smarks are fucking retarded.:foc:
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He was in WCW and TNA before his WWE stint...
I know all I am saying nobody really came to see wang he is not a major player. Unless TNA uses him right. My point is why sign wrestlers that never made an impact. A dancing redneck gimmick come on now.
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A few of the wrestlers there do meet those qualifications, but A) Hogan is standing in their way, and B) the powers-that-be don't know how to book them.
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Hogan needs to go like i said. Russo is garbage always has been. the powers that be need to go as well. I think TNA could do really well if they take those steps,putting heel bischoff in charge would work too. I still love TNA but they have to get better.
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I know all I am saying nobody really came to see wang he is not a major player. Unless TNA uses him right. My point is why sign wrestlers that never made an impact. A dancing redneck gimmick come on now.
You need to have a card that is entertaining from top to bottom. I'm not saying Yang is destined for stardom, but he's entertaining in the ring and can really go.

Hell, there were times in Russo's WCW days that I woild tune in to specifically watch 3 Count Vs. Yung Dragons matches, because they were probably the best cruiserweight matches at the time.
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You need to have a card that is entertaining from top to bottom. I'm not saying Yang is destined for stardom, but he's entertaining in the ring and can really go.

Hell, there were times in Russo's WCW days that I woild tune in to specifically watch 3 Count Vs. Yung Dragons matches, because they were probably the best cruiserweight matches at the time.
I agree with you yang is a decent wrestler but is that going to make fans watch? I really want to see TNA make it, in a way they have because they have been around for awhile now. I just feel TNA is picking up released WWE talent just because they were in the WWE.
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You need to have a card that is entertaining from top to bottom. I'm not saying Yang is destined for stardom, but he's entertaining in the ring and can really go.

Hell, there were times in Russo's WCW days that I woild tune in to specifically watch 3 Count Vs. Yung Dragons matches, because they were probably the best cruiserweight matches at the time.
also I am still pissed off at russo when he made fun of good ole JR by creating the oklahoma gimmick
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