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Vintage Championship Wrestling 6 33.33%
Lethal Action Wrestling 2 11.11%
Dead Wrong Wrestling 4 22.22%
This Is Wrestling 1 5.56%
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Old 07-25-2010, 08:56 PM   #81
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Not sorted my rankings yet but was writing down some comments as I was reading through. There are more comments for some shows than others. This does not mean I dislike that show more. The comments are also mostly negative since, well, reading positive comments is boring and isn't really the point of 'feedback'.

VCW- First guy out was Michael Cole. This does not make me want to 'watch' your show. Nor does Hogan as a colour commentator. Guy is still a draw and could be used much more effectively. Having him 'present' for the whole show is not a good idea. Don't think anybody would buy him being mugged off by Hennig/Perfect either although I did like that character establishment. First match is a 20 minute contest between The Dudleys and The Usos? Are you attempting to stop people from watching? A match and a very quick beatdown featuring Goldust that goes another 20 minutes? No thanks. Jay Lethal continues to impersonate other guys? This could have been a chance for a fresh start, to be Jay Lethal on another scale but instead you go with something from the past and something that probably means him not being taken seriously/rising above the midcard as long as being Jay Lethal isn't enough (that's how it comes across) No idea what was supposed to be going on at the end with the lights going out and Lethal being beamed up by Scotty.

LAW - Early contender for 'TNA Impression of the week'. Didn't like the opening. Alluding to 'The Boss' is a nice touch, builds something straight away. Without the NXT storyline or the other Nexus guys, I probably wouldn't care about Wade Barrett so I'm not going to care about him talking about being world champion on the debut show. 2nd ever match finishes in a no contest? Gallows as a bodyguard works. I applaud the attempt to build characters straight away. Head and shoulders the biggest draw you have doesn't appear nor is mentioned until the very end of the show? That's a lot of faith being put in a very unproven roster with almost zero start power.

DWW - I think this may have been written by a teenage Vince Russo while playing with his wrestling figures. British guys in a team. Black guys in a team with a black girl. Original. Do you know how loud the TV would have to be to hear/understand what Terry Funk is talking about? And he's been given an authority spot that involves lots of mic time. The crowd would be absoloutely dead and buried by the time the main event came round given the 23 minute (eughhhhhh) spot fest followed by another 20 minute probable spot fest. Which means the #1 heel beating the #1 babyface/draw very decisively and clean on TV (confusing enough as it is) would play out before virtual silence. I also don't believe you need to tell everybody what all the themes are.

TIW - Liked how simple and easy to read this was. No clusterfuck segments, good, effective booking that makes sense (really liked the 'Hernandez getting into wrestling because of the Guerrero family' line) Chavo/Roode would be a good match to start with from an in-ring POV, just maybe not enough star power. Would probably have switched the DiBiase match for that one. Not a fan of Joe squashing Shad and Zeke, that makes them borderline worthless for the rest of the month and I just would't buy 5'9 Wobbly Joe as a threat against 2 6'4+ black guys. Wasn't a fan of the finish to the main event either, heels winning or Ziggler taking the fall would have been preferable. Maybe getting Taker involved elsewhere or taking out McIntyre and Ziggler (protect Sheamus) would have worked better. Taker closing the show definitely works for an 'inaugral' show however.

SCW - Striker and Tazz are both colour guys. Don't see it working. Like Flair as the authority role/first guy to the ring. Don't know why you'd carry on with WWE storylines though in terms of Punk wearing a mask and later building to some kind of reveal with the mask coming off. Are you assuming that all of your fans used to watch WWE and know what happened there? Went on a bit. Round robin might be a bit to confusing/all over the place. A tournament could have worked. Liked the Matt Hardy creepy stuff. Ditto emphasising Kane's role straight away by squashing Slater. Slater being squashed every week isn't something I'd be adverse to. As I said, don't like the mask reveal thing with Punk. And if he's supposed to be the #1 heel, he probably shouldn't be tapping out in the main event of the first show either. In fact, Punk/Angle on the first show is something I'd question a lot more if this was supposed to be anything longer than a month.

I wish I could discuss there more/reply to comebacks from whoever wrote the shows etc.
Your Angry Wrestling Nerd gimmick is already taken.

I don't really agree with your psychology on the whole thing. Bad guys can't go over clean? Your assumptions of who the #1 heels and #1 baby-faces are.



Just saying. You're being a little hostile all things considered.
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Old 07-25-2010, 08:57 PM   #82
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So what? Somebody should be hostile. Every company is always gonna have hostile viewers. Roll with the punches and fix what YOU think he was right about.
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Old 07-25-2010, 08:59 PM   #83
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...I'm just saying it seems forced. It seems like he's trying to be insulting and not just being insulting naturally.

It's his constitutional right to hate everything we present him but, he doesn't have to fake it.
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Old 07-25-2010, 09:07 PM   #84
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Well even if he is totally wrong, then take solace in the point that he is being wrong about everyone. Doesn't change anything again, does it?
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Old 07-25-2010, 09:09 PM   #85
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Like I said:

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The comments are also mostly negative since, well, reading positive comments is boring and isn't really the point of 'feedback'.
I'm merely focusing on 'the bad stuff'/what I didn't like. I could write 'I liked this, I liked that blah blah blah' but what good is that going to do? Praise could lead to complacency. Criticism won't.

And yeah, I guess it was kind of 'Angry Wrestling Nerd' because it's Wrestling Nerd game on Wrestling Nerd forum. Don't worry, I don't hate you or want to piss on your kids or anything.
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Old 07-25-2010, 09:16 PM   #86
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Did anyone start or send in their next episode?
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Old 07-25-2010, 09:17 PM   #87
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I've received two week two episodes so far.
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Old 07-25-2010, 09:18 PM   #88
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Well even if he is totally wrong, then take solace in the point that he is being wrong about everyone. Doesn't change anything again, does it?
Yeah but, there's no actual constructive criticism either. I'm all for getting what didn't work for CSL but, when he starts making weird assumptions about what matches would and would not work for the audiences he's getting a bit ridiculous.

What would work better would be if he pointed out logical errors, things that just turned him sour (just because) and format issues. As I said, he has the right to hate everything but, when he tries to be "funny" about it nothing really gets better. "I hate your roster" isn't valid here because a) drafts are a gamble, you never know if you'll get a roster that's popular with anyone here. Our task is to take a roster, make the wrestlers into viable characters in order to helm a weekly wrestling show in hopes of getting the fans to watch.

However, as is evidenced by wrestling audiences over the years in various companies, there is such a thing as a niche. TNA fans went to TNA shows forever and were ridiculously excited about things I personally have shit upon. They have fans that love their style of matches and show a good deal of brand loyalty (although those fans are being shit on now by TNA management). So pretending to know how certain fans would react to a certain match is also silly. No fan-group is the same. There are stupid fans, there are Canadian fans and there are ECW fans turned into smarks who shit on everything. You don't know if one match would go over versus another for a crowd, all you know is that it would suck for you.

Which is the point of judging...ahem.
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Old 07-25-2010, 10:10 PM   #89
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CSL wasn't all negative with his comments. I thought it was a pretty fair review. He commented on things he liked and things he didn't like. Didn't come off as him trying to knock everything at all. Lots of points agreed with my points.
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Old 07-26-2010, 06:45 AM   #90
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"Constructive Criticism" is all good - even if there is very little of it in some of the reviews - but I find it's always a little reassuring to mention stuff that you did like (if anything) otherwise the hardwork just seems like it's been for nought.

Thing is, it's difficult to rebute or explain your moves without letting everyone know which show is yours.

One thing I do wish is that people stopped focusing on the "name value" of the characters (e.g. I'm not interested in Segment A cos I can't stand Wrestler A". Our rosters are based on a draft, we didn't get everyone we wanted to. We can rue about not getting who we wanted but our job is to write a good storyline for whoever we did get. IMO, judge the story/angle not the character.

There are some excellent rosters amongst the shows but if the writing is shit then there's no point having Angle, Miz, Punk, etc.
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Old 07-26-2010, 10:07 AM   #91
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one thing I really agree with CSL on is I'd like to see you guys create new characters for some of these guys. Use your creativity and not the same character the WWE/TNA already has for the guy. That's why I loved what the guy who developed LAW did. He took Tarver and Cottonwood and instantly gave them fresh gimmicks. That's what I excpect. Not so much with main eventers, but with midcard guys.

I feel bad because I keep harping on VCW, but if he has the USO's cut a promo telling the fans a little more about who they are and what they are about, that match is a lot stronger. Instead it's just like any other match on Velocity.
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Old 07-26-2010, 11:27 AM   #92
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Yeah, I can see what people are saying and why they are saying it in all cases. That is what makes this so interesting in my opinion. Everyone will have different opinions on what entertains them and what they expect from the promoter. You will never please everyone, but the art will come in pleasing and appeasing as many people as possible. The answer is probably having quite a varied show.

The problem comes, like XL is saying, in having a roster hurt by the draft (that in itself is part of the task though and I think people will learn some lessons in how they make their choices for season 2), but there are two important points I think and they have both been noted here in some way already.

Firstly, people who are judging will have to understand that some people's rosters could be quite a long way from what they wanted, but in those cases, i would expect two things from the promoter. The first being a build for the stars they do have, because all five of you have your established stars and in my opinion they MUST be used to build the new stars, especially since many of you have your fed directly after WWE/TNA era and you need to use the wrestlers we all know to the best of your ability.

The second point is what LC is saying, not getting the roster you wanted is a chance to be creative. I REALLY want to see what Tarver will do next after one simple paragraph, depending on what he does in the next few shows, i would buy a PPV with a fight between him and someone else I have a vested interest in. Another example is the Edge feud...Edge being used to put the spotlight on Hawkins/Archer. There is an angle there with someone I am a fan of involved, so now I have an interest on how Hawkins (a throwaway pick for many people) will explain himself and where things will go from here.

For those of you who have the stars, you HAVE to use them and put them in a feud we all want to see (because just having them in your fed does very little - see TNA). For those who don't, give me a reason to care and want to watch the guys you do have.

Really looking forward to Week 2 like I said, everyone has some really good stuff on their shows and I think Week 2 will be even better and more competitive. keep up the good work lads! (Including AT and the judges!!!)
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See, that is constructive. Some very good points there Fallen & LC
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