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Old 08-14-2010, 02:20 AM   #81
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I was a big fan of his. I loved his work with Jericho for that short time and marked out when I heard they rehired him.

This news sucks. RIP.
I'm with the Schlome on this one... RIP Lance...
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Old 08-14-2010, 03:27 AM   #82
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Was never a huge fan of the guy, but he did have potential. R.I.P.

Died way too young, and sadly now his two girls will grow up with a father.
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Old 08-14-2010, 03:28 AM   #83
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Old 08-14-2010, 07:40 AM   #84
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Old 08-14-2010, 09:04 AM   #85
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WWE didn't invent wrestling, nor did they invent drugs. Both were around long before Vinnie Mac and co. had any relevance.
Wow, that logic is ironclad. Let me try it!

Osama Bin Laden didn't invent terrorism, nor did he invent Islam. Both were around before al Qaeda had any relevance.

Now let me just look at the WTC, which must not have fallen...Whoops, I guess it doesn't work that way. Ah well.
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Old 08-14-2010, 10:02 AM   #86
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Thousands of people die every year due to drugs. Some of them may have worked for Vince McMahon's WWE. Far more of them didn't.

WWE has an independent Wellness Policy. If the authenticity of these tests are to be called into question, then that would be as much the testing company's responsibility as WWE's.

A person has an individual choice. I honestly don't believe that WWE has ever directly influenced somebody to do drugs (as in recommended or instructed it) and i have yet to see any wrestler ever (well, except Nailz) dispute or contradict that. Have they ever indirectly influenced somebody to? I would imagine so. The "bigger you are, the harder you're pushed" philosophy over the years has probably led people to 'roids... still doesn't remove their freedom of choice though.

I think WWE does as much as it realistically should. Industries like fishing have high injury and even on-the-job mortality rates, yet don't descend into a maesltrom of drug and alcohol abuse. Probably because they earn far less and can't afford it. Of course if WWE started paying far less, they would get it in the neck just as much. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

These wrestlers are very nicely compensated for their work, extraordinarily so for the top names, and medical costs incurred as a result of their work (surgeries etc.) are paid for by WWE... and this has been the case for many years. If they choose to work through injuries and take painkillers due to their own paranoia, that's their own lookout. The argument of 'if you take time off, you lose your spot' in the era of downside guarantees and talent drought is just a cop out. The only guy I can remember being released whilst injured is Test and he wasn't exactly main event material - he was pink slip bound before he ever broke his neck.

If a guy works for Tesco or Walmart, or the postal service, or any other company and takes drugs, is it their employers fault? Fuck no. I worked in a call centre once which had an insane drug culture, with people working whilst under the influence of coke, weed or even ecstasy on some occasions, and these guys all socialised together on weekends and would get absolutely wasted on all kinds of shit. If one of those guys keels over and dies in a few years time from heart issues caused by coke, is that the responsibility of the directors of the call centre? Of course it isn't. For a start, these guys took every effort to ensure the bosses didn't know what was going on. Nor do the directors have any influence over their life away from the job. Should that call centre have to spend a fortune installing a drug policy to protect people from themselves? I don't think they ought to. Nor would those workers accept working for a nanny employer, trying to control their personal choices.

I don't know why people seem to think WWE should play by different rules to any other employer in the world - in fact, damn it, the wrestlers aren't even employees in the first place (rightly or wrongly) - but the fact that they have installed an expensive policy and do publicly punish those who break the rules is more than they had to do.

It's a broken record, it's demonising the wrestling business and villifying the market leader for the mistakes and choices of others outside of their control.
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Old 08-14-2010, 10:30 AM   #87
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More superficial reasoning.

I'm not sure I want to dissect your entire post, but I'll point two things out:

The number of drug related deaths in WWE outstrips the standard market. I know apologetics are cool and all, but if we're going down that line of bullshit reasoning, when an industry has an unusually high rate of death in a specific field, it's usually an indicator of something more than "people do drugs." Not always, but it's stupid to dismiss it in the way you're doing.

If there was a rash of otherwise healthy folks working at Wal-Mart dying of drug overdoses, it would be investigated. The correlation wouldn't prove causation, but it would not be ignored, either.

Two, WWE are beholden to their shareholders, and as a public company in a sports-related field, they're doing the bare minimum they have to do to keep themselves covered. I don't know why you think they're playing by different rules and/or we think otherwise because we can connect some potential liability to deaths.

But hey, if it eases your conscience to pretend the guys who create the environment can't control it, godspeed.
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Old 08-14-2010, 10:42 AM   #88
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Thousands of people die every year due to drugs. Some of them may have worked for Vince McMahon's WWE. Far more of them didn't.
Thousands of people die every year due to vehicular accidents. Some of them were driving Toyotas with faulty accelerators. Far more of them weren't. Does this excuse the deaths caused by sudden acceleration or make them irrelevant?

Well, following the logic chains you set up, yes.

I love these little logic exercises, though. I hope each of your responses begins with one. They're fun.

By the way, do you oppose the "nanny state" making safety belts an industry standard?
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Wow. Hope his family will be strong enough to come out of this. 29 is well young. If it is drugs, then u gotta say, there's risks, if not, this sux 100%.
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More superficial reasoning.

I'm not sure I want to dissect your entire post, but I'll point two things out:

The number of drug related deaths in WWE outstrips the standard market. I know apologetics are cool and all, but if we're going down that line of bullshit reasoning, when an industry has an unusually high rate of death in a specific field, it's usually an indicator of something more than "people do drugs." Not always, but it's stupid to dismiss it in the way you're doing.

If there was a rash of otherwise healthy folks working at Wal-Mart dying of drug overdoses, it would be investigated. The correlation wouldn't prove causation, but it would not be ignored, either.

Two, WWE are beholden to their shareholders, and as a public company in a sports-related field, they're doing the bare minimum they have to do to keep themselves covered. I don't know why you think they're playing by different rules and/or we think otherwise because we can connect some potential liability to deaths.

But hey, if it eases your conscience to pretend the guys who create the environment can't control it, godspeed.
The reason the drug-related death rate in wrestling is higher than Wal-Mart is the same reason the drug-related death rate across the board in the entertainment industry is higher than most industries: easier access, more expendable income, cultural expectations (and a degree of simply the personality type that is attracted to partaking in it).

Wrestling has the additional factor of physical pain, leading to painkiller addiction.

But no matter how much you "dissect" my posts, or my "logic chains" or anything else, do you disagree that every wrestler in the business chose to become a wrestler (with the likely understanding that it would be painful and demanding and favours a certain physique), chose to remain in the business (despite learning of its pain and demands) and - if applicable - chose to turn to drugs (be it to improve their look or for recreational reasons)? The WWE could theoretically be the worst company to work for in the entire world, but they don't force anybody into the business and they don't force pills down anybody's throat.

The questionable working conditions of the WWE and other organisations is a seperate matter. It would be like me turning to drugs and blaming it on the recession: oh, society is shit, I can't find a job, people are scum, I have a shitty existence, therefore I'm going to take drugs to get me through it. Would Barack Obama, as leader of possibly the most influencial economy in the World, bear that responsibility? Despite me not even living in his country? (Because WWE even gets heat for guys who never - or barely - worked there.) Or is that my personal weakness, my decision? Do you blame the recession in this hypothetical scenario, or do you blame me? One was the catalyst? Sure, but only because I allowed it to be.

Wrestlers die because wrestlers take drugs; wrestlers take drugs because they decide to. There are many guys in the business who lived clean lives, lived to tell the tale, and were successful. A weak personality and a weak will are not the fault of any promoter.
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Old 08-15-2010, 08:29 PM   #92
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