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Old 09-28-2010, 11:18 AM   #1
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3 pages.

Nobody can say that taped versus live ISN'T a factor in viewership.
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3 pages.

Nobody can say that taped versus live ISN'T a factor in viewership.
It is for the IWC.

Not for casual fans, which are the vast bulk of the viewership.

We'll let the rating speak, and I fully expect it to be lower than usual, but not "omfg" bad.
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Also, French fail from PWInsider:

Funny note from yesterday's RAW... Backstage, when Maryse read the memo to DiBiase, she first said in French "La semaine dernière, t'étais à moi", which means in English "Last week, you were mine" then when Ted asks her to translate it she says "Next week, you'll be mine"...
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I really can't think of who the stalker would be.
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Maybe Cody wants his partner back, if you catch my drift.
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was there anything good on RAW?
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Danielson/Jomo vs Miz/Riley, Jericho's promo, Khali's beat down was pretty great. Nothing else was too great, average at best. Watch the Edge/GM segments just because of how ridiculously bad they are.
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LOL, I will check those out.
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And at them playing his song once he's done with his rampage on the computers.
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I like how they did an overlay for the desktop instead of just showing it as-is.
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The GM sounded a lot like Cole's with a high autotune setting. I think it's Cole now.
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Old 09-28-2010, 03:53 PM   #13
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You just knew the computer was going to get it when they swapped out the Mac they've been using for weeks for a Dell from like 2002 this week. Still a pretty funny segment, but I still enjoy Edge. He'll play along with the goofy crap while working how ridiculous it is that they're doing it in the first place.

"We've gone from Stone Cold stunning Mr. McMahon to Edge arguing with a computer."

After hearing the computer say "Yo," though, I'm convinced the Raw GM is Slam Master J. Sorry, Lock Jaw.
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After hearing the computer say "Yo," though, I'm convinced the Raw GM is Slam Master J. Sorry, Lock Jaw.
Swerve! It's Kurt Angle!
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lol this was a fairly entertaining raw, not great, but not the worst.

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Last night's episode of WWE Raw scored a 2.37 overall rating. This is a year-low for the show, down a lot from last week's 2.80. The show was very negatively impacted by the Packers/Bears Monday Night Football game on ESPN, which was one of the most-watched cable TV broadcasts ever. The show averaged 3.8 million viewers over the course of the show.
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Last night's episode of WWE Raw scored a 2.37 overall rating. This is a year-low for the show, down a lot from last week's 2.80. The show was very negatively impacted by the Packers/Bears Monday Night Football game on ESPN, which was one of the most-watched cable TV broadcasts ever. The show averaged 3.8 million viewers over the course of the show.
Okay that's a lot worse than I was expecting. WWE is officially in deep shit.
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I was not apart of the 3.8 million that watched the game, I am a Vikings fan so fuck the Packers and the Bears.
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Raw had 3.8 million viewers.
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Dammit. Fuck the Packers and the Bears.
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Hmmmm I distinctly remember making a thread at the beginning of the year called "WWE will crumble" and everyone thought I was full of shit. LOL.

A 2.37 rating, tons of empty seats at Wrestlemania this year. I would say that they are in some real trouble. Possibly the start of a crumble. We'll see.
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Raw could do 0 viewers and WWE still wouldn't be close to crumbling.
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Raw could do 0 viewers and WWE still wouldn't be close to crumbling.
But they are a public company and if the stock price goes down the toilet, it could kill them. They only profited just 6 million last quarter which is not alot of money at all considering they spend 1 to 3 million a week on production alone for RAW and Smackdown.
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The last thing they want is their shareholders unloading the stock because of sub-par revenue/profit numbers and their advertisers bailing due to low ratings.
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I'm not saying there's no reason to be concerned, I just think "crumbling" is a bit dramatic, if not premature.
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WWE won't crumble unless they keep slipping and start doing 1's for a year or two. Once USA lights a fire under their asses Vince will jump.

WWE isn't in any real danger whatsoever right now, but they do have to look at the numbers and realize that something isn't right.
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Yeah I guess you're right. These rookies really have to come through for the company though. Hopefully alot of them evolve and turn into big stars. My money is on Wade Barrett doing that.

They also have to drop the PG rating thing. Its obviously not working.
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Linda and Shane leaving their posts really hurt them I think.
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It's not the PG rating, it's the fact that they hire writers with no knowledge of the business to write for an entertainment show, not a wrestling show. If wrestling wasn't a four letter word to Vince they could EASILY thrive as TV-PG.

You can pull off PG without alienating the older fans, which is clearly what they need to do.
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Its hard to be a PG show when you have characters on your show that shouldn't be PG like Orton, Edge, etc. I'm sure alot of people get irritated by that. I know I do.

Its also hard to get people to buy into your show needing to be PG when its people portraying physical harm to each other. The Shrek movies are rated PG for goodness sakes.

Also, its hard to compete with other shows on TV when you are trying to build a PG show when programs like Jersey Shore dominate in viewership.

I dunno, they just don't need to be PG IMO. TV-14 is the way to go.
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Thing is, Orton, Edge, etc ARE playing PG characters. You can have plenty of characters with their attitude and still be a PG show.

The problem is that they are focusing on the younger audience and for a while wasn't giving much to the older audience. They're starting to do that now a little more versus a year or two ago, but they could ditch a good portion of the kid-friendly stuff and still be successful on a PG rating.

Would TV-14 help? No. It wouldn't, honestly. It's about the writing. Turning the product TV-14 right this minute isn't going to fix anything, because you'll still have the same writers who don't pay attention to history, are highly inconsistent and highly ADD. Turning to a TV-14 rating would mean a complete overhaul of creative.

And at that point, they may as well keep it PG with better writers and reap the benefits of PG which, from a business standpoint, are huge.
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Thing is, Orton, Edge, etc ARE playing PG characters. You can have plenty of characters with their attitude and still be a PG show.

The problem is that they are focusing on the younger audience and for a while wasn't giving much to the older audience. They're starting to do that now a little more versus a year or two ago, but they could ditch a good portion of the kid-friendly stuff and still be successful on a PG rating.

Would TV-14 help? No. It wouldn't, honestly. It's about the writing. Turning the product TV-14 right this minute isn't going to fix anything, because you'll still have the same writers who don't pay attention to history, are highly inconsistent and highly ADD. Turning to a TV-14 rating would mean a complete overhaul of creative.

And at that point, they may as well keep it PG with better writers and reap the benefits of PG which, from a business standpoint, are huge.
I disagree. They need to be TV-14 to get to the level of violence and intensity and even vulgarity that they need to attract a certain audience. There is a huge demographic between the ages of 15-21 who stay completely away from the WWE because it's kiddy garbage these days. These are the same people who are watching Jersey Shore for its over the top characters, language, profanity, and sex. The same people who watch Eastbound and Down for the same reasons. WWE is missing out on this demographic for the sake of pandering to the parents of pre-teens.

Take a look at the Nexus angle. The entire thing was hotter than hell - right up until the point where Daniel Bryan choked out Justin Roberts with his tie. In the past, this kind of thing would not have been a problem. Austin and Rock have probably choked each other a hundred times with camera cables, ring ropes, etc. But in the new PG Era of the WWE, Daniel Bryan choking a dude with a tie is a PROBLEM. So they get rid of him for awhile to assuage the problem, and they tone back the violence of the Nexus storyline. Now, the group seems to have lost all of its edge.

TV PG is part of the problem, but I agree that it's not the whole problem. The problem goes back to the writing, the portrayal and lack of development of the WWE's top stars, and honestly, a lack of true, honest to God competitive spirit on the show.
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According to Dave Meltzer, RAW did a 2.7 rating last night.
Where was your earlier info from?
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So the 2.37 was probably a 2.73 then...
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