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Old 02-14-2011, 07:57 AM   #81
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I would like to know what they mean by overrated (but I'm too lazy to check their website for any kind of definition)

As I see it there are several options for the meaning of overrated:
1: They got over even though their character and ability was stupid (according to UGO opinion). This definition of overrated is stupid. Hogan is not the greatest wrestler ever, but he managed to get over to the point of insanity, with a pretty stupid hulking up gimmick. Saying Hogan is overrated because his ability is lacking and his character was stupid doesn't add up, if by overrated you mean he got over on stupid shit. This however is prolly not how they mean it.

2: Someone is hailed as being great with the mic, having great wrestling ability and/or being over with the crowd to a degree that does not reflect reality. This is more likely the definition to go with (if you're actually making a proper list)- but it presents problems. Hogan can be overrated if everyone says "Wow Hogan sure was the greatest wrestler of all time" - but not if you say "Wow Hogan sure was one of the most over wrestlers of all time (if not the most over wrestler)". While someone like - talking purely about his WWE career so far and only as an example (so stick the red rep up your behind) - Daniel Bryan could be said to be overrated if the wording was "Wow he sure is one of the most over wrestlers in the WWE today", but not if it's "Wow he sure is one of the best technical wrestlers in the WWE today".
The problem is - how do you compare it? How do you compare someone who is overrated as a wrestler Vs someone who is overrated as a great speaker Vs someone who is overrated with regards to being over!

And there is of course option #3 which is prolly what UGO used: Who can we name who it isn't universally agreed is awesome, that'll provoke some people and get us a rise and a reaction?


With regards to the list: I think my above look at what overrated can mean, should make it clear that I find the list to be bullshit, because I haven't any idea what it's talking about!
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Eh, that Hulk Hogan hate.

Dont know how exactly is he overrated. The guy basically put wrestling on the map.
Because of his gimmick, and the never ending stream of amazing heel characters who got jobbed out to him, not his actual ability.
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:21 AM   #83
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Because of his gimmick, and the never ending stream of amazing heel characters who got jobbed out to him, not his actual ability.
That just makes him an asshole, not overrated.
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So because they have Nash as Diesel... are they saying that when he's Diesel he's overrated but as Kevin Nash he's not?
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That just makes him an asshole, not overrated.
Show me a good 1 vs 1 match that he was involved in?
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:33 AM   #87
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HHH is a better heel than Rocky?????????

The fans chanted 'Die Rocky die' in 1997, no go. And the Rock didn't need a shit-ton of guys to put him over to get the heat.
Rock was a baby-face when that happened.
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I really don't blame the fans for wanting to kill that character. He was awful as Rocky Maivia and looked like a fuckin' clown.
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Oh. I see what we're doing now.

Bret Hart wasn't any good either UNLESS YOU LIKE FAGGOTS IN PINK.
That's exactly it. And that's usually how these things are written. You pick a guy for whatever reason, you list out what he did in his career, and then you say that those particular things are bad. Therefore, that wrestler is overrated.

And then if someone points out that other people have done the same thing, you say that it's different. Like for your example. Bret Hart wore pink therefore he sucked. "He didn't Randy Savage and Sting wear pink at times?" Yeah but they pulled it off, so it's different.

Oh the games we play.
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I can see your point to an extent, yeah. The IWC picks and chooses who they want to like and why they want to like them and it's usually based on a bunch of fickle shit. 5-6 years ago Matt Hardy was an internet darling and he was going to take over the world with his Mattitude... Now it's FAT HARDY LOL!!

Although, I think there is something to be said about Triple H not really adding up to the great main eventers of other eras. And it is only natural to compare them to each other. Once again, he's a great wrestler and a great performers but on a top 20 of all time list, I'd probably put him around 15.
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I want to know Steels opinion on this.

And Hogan should defiantly be the most over rated anything of all time.
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Based on this list, they were rating in ring ability.
Wrestling is not all about in ring ability
Mic skills are a huge part of who you are perceived as a performer in my opinion.
Many of these guys are AMAZING on the mic
Diesel
Arn Anderson
Alberto Del Rio
Mr. Anderson
Regal
Orton
Hall
Hart
Christian
Henning
Lawler ( although he has gotten stale in my opinion)
Hogan
HHH

all of these men are very good mike workers and the majority are skilled wrestlers. This list must have been posted to get a rise out of people, you know, shock valus.
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I can see your point to an extent, yeah. The IWC picks and chooses who they want to like and why they want to like them and it's usually based on a bunch of fickle shit. 5-6 years ago Matt Hardy was an internet darling and he was going to take over the world with his Mattitude... Now it's FAT HARDY LOL!!

Although, I think there is something to be said about Triple H not really adding up to the great main eventers of other eras. And it is only natural to compare them to each other. Once again, he's a great wrestler and a great performers but on a top 20 of all time list, I'd probably put him around 15.
But how many people are even making that argument? There's a few, sure, but for the most part everyone says he's good (in fact this UGO article says he used to be "great," and I dunno how you can say someone who was at one point great can be the most overrated) but not as good as Austin or Michaels or Rock or even Jericho, Guerrero, or Angle. You can make a case that he's overrated, but the most overrated ever? Come on now.
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I mean just look how the point in here was already made that Austin refused to job to Triple H because Austin knew he sucked. Yet when Triple H refused to job someone it was because he was holding on to his spot.

Selective application.
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As far as ranking goes, yeah. #1 on the list is probably a little high when you consider how much he loves wrestling, how much he's done for it, how much he's put into it, and how much he's worked to improve it. For the most part, I think people get really bitter about the Stephanie thing. Did he do it to get ahead? Who knows but it's kind of irrelevant to argue (as stated) because he was in a pretty prominent position before he got together with her. Also, alot of disgruntled ex-WWE guys have told tons of stories about his power trips and the like so that's probably another reason.

Personally I think his style of wrestling is a bit boring and many of his promos sound the same. I'm willing to admit his accomplishment but overall I just don't really like him. I'm willing to bet that's the case with alot of the people trying to condemn him, to be honest.
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I feel that Testicle's slip-up is going to go unnoticed. How does he not know basic wrestling history like the fact that Rock was booed as a face?
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:57 AM   #109
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Old 02-14-2011, 02:20 PM   #110
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I think there needs to be more specification on what is being analyzed as "overrated." Are we talking about wrestling ability alone or in contrast to overall popularity? By some arguments, people are just going by who was pushed and shouldn't have been or who was popular, but shouldn't have been.
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Old 02-14-2011, 02:44 PM   #111
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Just ignore the ACTUAL list I made then you pack of bastards.
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Old 02-14-2011, 04:31 PM   #112
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Old 02-14-2011, 05:23 PM   #113
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Damn it, my attempts to ruin this walking pile of ostrich cum called a thread were unsuccessful. Might just have to go on a normal tirade...
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Old 02-14-2011, 05:27 PM   #114
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Also, Hogans daughter is overrated in her attractiveness, she has a square jaw and a ridiculous chin.
and she looks like a man
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:10 PM   #115
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I'm not going to really comment on this as the idea of an "Most Overrated Wrestler of All-Time" list is nothing more than a person's opinions with numbers next to them. One person's overrated wrestler is another person's wrestler of the year. The list doesn't mean anything except that the person who created it apparently doesn't like Triple H.

I will say this though: Triple H and Stephanie were seeing each other BEFORE his first World Title win. Anyone who judges the length of their relationship based on the "McMahon-Helmsley Regime" storyline is kidding themselves. It's pretty well known that they were seeing each other all the way back to the late months of DX, right around WrestleMania 15 time when Hunter turned heel and joined the Corporation, which was well before he won his first WWF Title.
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Old 02-15-2011, 12:19 AM   #116
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I'm not going to really comment on this as the idea of an "Most Overrated Wrestler of All-Time" list is nothing more than a person's opinions with numbers next to them. One person's overrated wrestler is another person's wrestler of the year. The list doesn't mean anything except that the person who created it apparently doesn't like Triple H.

I will say this though: Triple H and Stephanie were seeing each other BEFORE his first World Title win. Anyone who judges the length of their relationship based on the "McMahon-Helmsley Regime" storyline is kidding themselves. It's pretty well known that they were seeing each other all the way back to the late months of DX, right around WrestleMania 15 time when Hunter turned heel and joined the Corporation, which was well before he won his first WWF Title.
Except...not really. Please show me actual proof of this. I have never heard anything occurring pre-2001.





They both said they never really met until the angle started in late 99.
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Old 02-15-2011, 03:41 AM   #117
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I have re-written the list so it looks like it came from this reality rather than an alternate reality where the original author lives.

25. Jeff Jarrett
24. Val Venis
23. Mark Henry
22. Monty Brown
21. Jeff Hardy
20. Matt Hardy
19. D'lo Brown
18. Booker T
17. Goldberg
16. Scott Hall
15. Tommy Dreamer. (Take that ECW Marks)
14. Batista
13. Ultimate Warrior
12. Buff Bagwell
11. Luger
10. Road Dogg
9. Boss Man
8. Sid
7. Mountie
6. D'Von Dudley
5. Scott Steiner
4. Big Show
3. Kevin Nash
2. Hulk Hogan
1. John Cena
According to what I gather from this site, Brig, this list is bullshit as well, only because Jarrett is all the way down to the end and Jeff Hardy only appears on it once.
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Old 02-15-2011, 03:50 AM   #118
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I really don't blame the fans for wanting to kill that character. He was awful as Rocky Maivia and looked like a fuckin' clown.
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