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Old 10-10-2011, 10:37 PM   #81
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No agreement. First 2 weeks of the regular season have been canceled
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The owners seem to be at more fault for not actually having a real plan or debate and just wanted another meeting for nothing. The Players Union doesn't want any form of a real hard cap if it only means to reduce player salaries or drop its 57% share and not any real changes in how the owners created the mess with horrible contracts.

Now the next real deadline is January because if no deal is done by mid-January, its impossible to pull a 1998/1999 and have a 50 game season with regular playoffs.

Edit: Its actually an even bigger mess since the Players agreed to an immediate 4-5% share drop to get to 52-53% as a way to keep the talks going on but according to ESPN the owners then demanded another drop to 46-47% even though they previously said a 50-50 share would make them happy.
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Old 10-11-2011, 12:17 AM   #85
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Old 10-12-2011, 01:00 PM   #87
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:03 PM   #89
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Why is Memphis wearing the Seattle Sonic colors?

That Jazz all-green jersey isn't completely new because they tend to wear those during St. Patrick's day along with Chicago.
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Old 10-13-2011, 03:35 PM   #90
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This is unfortunate. My Jazz were gonna win it this year.
 
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Old 10-14-2011, 05:54 PM   #92
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Old 10-14-2011, 05:57 PM   #93
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Old 10-14-2011, 06:13 PM   #94
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Old 10-14-2011, 10:19 PM   #95
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Old 10-15-2011, 01:07 PM   #96
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Will miss watching John Wall dougie his way to the court for one year but it's another year that James LeBron doesn't win an NBA championship
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Old 10-15-2011, 06:42 PM   #97
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:13 PM   #99
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Based on some sources Bill Simmons has with his recent NBA article, Billy Hunter screwed up badly for the players in the recent meeting (the one with Kobe, KG, Pierce) and knows he can't get anything better than the 50-50 deal the owners teased but were not serious in offering.

A small percentage of players realized he goofed up badly and because Hunter doesn't want to risk getting fired as the union's rep ($2.5 million yearly salary), he has no choice but to continue trying to get a deal that won't be as good in the end than the 1st potential deal.

That might have been the reason why a few players left the last meeting early.
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:27 PM   #100
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Old 10-17-2011, 11:25 PM   #101
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Significant progress made on system issues. Meeting again today. Things seem positive for once.
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And talks have broken off once again. Games cancelled through November 30th.
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David Stern was actually expecting to have all 82 games played even though everyone knew once the preseason/training camps arrived that it would be impossible if no deal was done.

According to Stern the real difference is only about $100 million per year (50-50 vs 52-48 split) while Hunter is saying Stern pulled a bait & switch with demands of 47% for players and then back to 50% once the talks collapsed.

Suppossedly the 4-5% drop the players already agreed to erased 66% of the yearly losses the NBA was complaining about.
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Old 11-04-2011, 10:55 PM   #108
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According to a group of owners, the feeling is the talks are heading towards a bigger "disaster" than anything actually being done.

So far the players are bickering and starting to splinter off with talks of a potential decertification while Billy Hunter (probably gets fired once the lockout ends) and Derek Fisher are forcing the players to stand united. The star players are refusing any more concessions that would lower their salary/power while the other players are starting to get really angry at loosing a lot should the stars take over the talks.

On the owners side, the usual split involving the salary cap is growing along with more owners either hating David Stern or want the 50-50 dropped in favor of 47% for the players share (Jordan is in this group).

The courts are also reluctant to get involved after the negative public opinion gained from dealing with the NFL lockout on both sides.
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Probably a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway.

In the event of the entire season being cancelled, would this year count on players' contracts?

For example, if I signed a 3 year deal before last season (2010-2011), would this take a year off my contract or would I go into next season (2012-2013) still with 2 years left?
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:01 PM   #112
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It appears all talks have broken down with a flat rejection by the players union of all the deals from the owners. 72-game season won't be possible nor anything done before maybe the final December deadline to save the season.

Players union also filling a class-action lawsuit against the owners due to the owners wanting the players to give up a lot in concessions while not getting a "fair" deal.

As of now in terms of money, the players have agreed to give up $1.1 billion for the new deal (50-50 split) and about 2/3 of what the owners claimed were losses from the players per year ($300 million).
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:28 PM   #113
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Can't imagine theres any chance at a season now.
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:36 PM   #114
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The 1998-1999 Season started in February of '99 due to the lockout, so I'm sure there will be some games played, even if it's a very shortened season.
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Old 11-14-2011, 03:11 PM   #115
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The owners have no intention of seeing this season play out...

I have a feeling the NBA is about to go the way of hockey. Sports are just like TV shows, and when there's a massive break like this people stop caring about the storylines. Look at how many shows failed due to the writers' strike...seems no different.

Expect the playoffs to be on the Versus network a year and a half from now.
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Old 11-14-2011, 03:21 PM   #116
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And it couldn't have come at a worse time. It seemed like last season brought a lot of casual fans back to the game. Especially around here with the Knicks. Can forget about all those fans if this drags on for a while, which seems likely.
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Old 11-14-2011, 03:23 PM   #117
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And it couldn't have come at a worse time. It seemed like last season brought a lot of casual fans back to the game. Especially around here with the Knicks. Can forget about all those fans if this drags on for a while, which seems likely.
Yup, definitely the best the NBA has been in 15 years. Even with the Blazers self-destructing, I was more excited for this season than any other I can remember..
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Old 11-14-2011, 05:16 PM   #119
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