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Old 09-10-2011, 09:43 AM   #81
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Just to go OT a little regarding Daniel Bryan:

Kane Knight has a point in the sense that, as a publicly held company, the WWE's ability to "work" the audience has limits.

Most people who buy stock in a company aren't doing it as fanboys, they're doing it to profit and consequently are more focused on revenue and cashflow than they are storylines. That's even if they are familiar with the product. So when something comes up like the Daniel Bryan situation, where WWE actively presents itself as PG to the audience, sponsors and investors and then does something that goes completely against that, it puts the revenue and cashflow at risk because those sponsors who contribute to WWE's bottom line may not be sponsors in the future. That's the kind of unnecessary risk that WWE has an obligation as a public company to not expose shareholders to. You can't just say to sponsors or shareholders "We're a different kind of entertainment so you should have known we'd have a guy choke someone with their own tie and spit on our top star despite us making sure everyone knows we're PG now."

As fans we may enjoy it, but we've still got to consider the business implications of some of these "works" because to a certain extent they do influence how far storylines and characters can go.
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Old 09-10-2011, 10:14 AM   #82
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Yeah, I was off the mark with the Daniel Bryan comparison.
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Old 09-11-2011, 01:14 AM   #83
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Old 09-11-2011, 03:10 AM   #84
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Just to go OT a little regarding Daniel Bryan:

Kane Knight has a point in the sense that, as a publicly held company, the WWE's ability to "work" the audience has limits.

Most people who buy stock in a company aren't doing it as fanboys, they're doing it to profit and consequently are more focused on revenue and cashflow than they are storylines. That's even if they are familiar with the product. So when something comes up like the Daniel Bryan situation, where WWE actively presents itself as PG to the audience, sponsors and investors and then does something that goes completely against that, it puts the revenue and cashflow at risk because those sponsors who contribute to WWE's bottom line may not be sponsors in the future. That's the kind of unnecessary risk that WWE has an obligation as a public company to not expose shareholders to. You can't just say to sponsors or shareholders "We're a different kind of entertainment so you should have known we'd have a guy choke someone with their own tie and spit on our top star despite us making sure everyone knows we're PG now."

As fans we may enjoy it, but we've still got to consider the business implications of some of these "works" because to a certain extent they do influence how far storylines and characters can go.
If a movie is rated PG, do yo watch it thinking about what can and can't happen based on the rating?
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Old 09-11-2011, 08:35 AM   #85
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To me, it sounds as if you're saying that they should just openly admit what's real and what's not about every single thing that happens on TV.
Don't be stupid.

Try it for once.
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Old 09-11-2011, 09:26 AM   #86
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If a movie is rated PG, do yo watch it thinking about what can and can't happen based on the rating?
No but I do have some expectation about the content and nature of the movie and therefore act accordingly. PG implies I can watch the movie with my little niece and not have to worry about people dying Saw style.

I think you're reaching a bit here. The PG rating has two different implications for a viewer and a serious investor. For the investor, PG means a potentially wider audience and advertising/sponsorship/licensing pool which means more revenue. WWE knows that and there's a reason why they went to such lengths to make it known that their product was PG. If the company were to deviate from that rating to the point where those advertisers were turned off, that would hurt the company's bottom line and consequently the investor. And you can't dismiss that fact considering one of ECW's biggest problems was that advertisers never fully committed because the product was too unpredictable in terms of the content that would be shown week to week.
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Old 09-11-2011, 11:14 AM   #87
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Don't be stupid.

Try it for once.
See, this is just completely unnecessary.
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Old 09-11-2011, 11:18 AM   #88
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Old 09-11-2011, 11:20 AM   #89
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Of course, "working the internet" only really works if it translates to more buys, more views, more eats, more money in short.

It's been done before, but the major point about working the internet is that there's no real point or gain.

As it is, that still holds. No such endeavour has yet proved to actually draw people.
That's debatable. Drawing people takes time, and if this helps take a step towards that then what is the problem?
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No but I do have some expectation about the content and nature of the movie and therefore act accordingly. PG implies I can watch the movie with my little niece and not have to worry about people dying Saw style.

I think you're reaching a bit here. The PG rating has two different implications for a viewer and a serious investor. For the investor, PG means a potentially wider audience and advertising/sponsorship/licensing pool which means more revenue. WWE knows that and there's a reason why they went to such lengths to make it known that their product was PG. If the company were to deviate from that rating to the point where those advertisers were turned off, that would hurt the company's bottom line and consequently the investor. And you can't dismiss that fact considering one of ECW's biggest problems was that advertisers never fully committed because the product was too unpredictable in terms of the content that would be shown week to week.
I understand all of that, but I'm wondering why we, as fans, are discussing this as investors. Seems like it would suck all of the fun out of it.

On a vaguely-related note, I wonder what they're up to by continually pushing the envelope and calling themselves out for being PG on the shows as of late.
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Old 09-13-2011, 07:43 PM   #91
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- According to multiple sources within WWE, Kevin Nash is booked to appear at this Sunday’s Night of Champions pay-per-view event in Buffalo, New York.

Triple H “fired” Nash on RAW last week and the WWE website announced it later that week. Nash stated on Twitter that the release was due to financial reasons. As we have noted before, the whole thing was part of the storylines. No word yet when Nash will actually wrestle for WWE but he is booked to appear at Night of Champions.
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Old 09-13-2011, 09:20 PM   #92
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GTS to Triple-H, and the referee doesn’t count. Crowd gets mad. Triple-H comes to and has no clue what’s going on. Punk goes to GTS the referee, but Kevin Nash interferes and Jackknifes Punk, while the referee just stands there and watches. A quick three count, and it’s over. Triple-H then Pedigrees the referee, pissed at what went down.
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Old 09-13-2011, 09:40 PM   #93
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Why do you want the referee to get his ass kicked so badly?
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:39 PM   #94
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Finger Poke Time. This whole thing has become a clusterfuck unfortunately.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:49 PM   #95
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why does Kevin Nash have to be involved?

kinda sucks
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:14 AM   #96
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Old 09-14-2011, 08:19 PM   #97
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Finger Poke Time. This whole thing has become a clusterfuck unfortunately.
Not that this is news but you're retarded. This whole angle has been exceptionally well-booked.
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Old 09-14-2011, 08:33 PM   #98
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why does Kevin Nash have to be involved?

kinda sucks
Because he's involved in the feud, and he's a tool to make the feud develop more?
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They didn't do Nash any favors with the whole no music thing...
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They didn't do Nash any favors with the whole no music thing...
I feel that had about fuck all to do with anything whatsoever. He still gave shitty, over-the-top promos and transitioned from point to point about as smoothly as Brett Favre did into actual retirement.
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why does Kevin Nash have to be involved?

kinda sucks
Kevin Nash has to be involved because Kevin Nash is awesome and anything he is involved with becomes awesome just by being in the vicinity of Kevin Nash. Unfortunately, by taking Kevin Nash out of the equation, the Punk/HHH storyline has become "kinda sucks" itself.
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Old 09-16-2011, 06:51 AM   #103
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Dunno. Wasn't impressed with the whole Nash-Punk series of promos and only slightly more impressed with HHH-Punk. Maybe there was been "too much" talking. Feels like the same thing happened/was said on a weekly basis. As much as we lament a time when all promos were ad-libbed, a lot of the HHH/Punk/Nash stuff comes off as awkward to me.
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Old 09-16-2011, 07:22 AM   #104
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Honestly, I think Punk's style is the problem. He pretty much buried Nash's career achievements and him as a performer from the rip and after that there really wasn't any way for Nash to recover, especially with him just being re-introduced to the WWE audience. There's a reason why burying opponents on the mic is usually frowned on. Same with HHH but to a lesser extent. Can't wait for another CM Punk joke about HHH & Stephanie. Those haven't been done seemingly every other week.

Punk's promos have become more of a routine than an interesting segment where you have to tune in to see what he'll say next. The "pipe bombs" have been overused to the point where they don't have the same impact on the crowd or to the viewer.
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Gotta say I agree here.

Love Punk to bits but it seems he is too desperate to get his "pipe bomb" shots in. So much so that the guys in the promo end up talking over each other and it degenerates into a mess of voices/words and the point is lost.
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I dunno. It seems to me that ever since Triple H stepped into this story line the promos have gotten a little more stale. With McMahon and Cena, Punk had people to play off of who actually do respect him - when he's out there with Triple H, it's like Hunter won't allow Punk to make his points and get over on him. Cena sees the validity in Punk's statements, and he allowed the strength of Punk's words to wash over the crowd and himself by falling silent. Triple H fires back and rambles on with his bullshit statements ("Nothing is given in this business, everything is earned," etc, etc) and then he doesn't really let Punk fly back (which he easily could have - talking to Mr. Eric Bischoff Handed Me the World Heavyweight Championship).
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